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Centrist Committee
Aug 6, 2019
websters dictionary defines state capitalism as,

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T-man
Aug 22, 2010


Talk shit, get bzzzt.

china? i think you mean Greater Taiwan

uber_stoat
Jan 21, 2001



Pillbug
Taiwan #1

Atrocious Joe
Sep 2, 2011

gradenko_2000 posted:

Foxconn is a Taiwanese company that just so happens to operate factories inside Special Economic Zones in mainland China, which the Chinese government allows to exist because it's a useful tool for drawing in foreign investment (when they're not forced-upon you by the West to keep you deindustrialized, and when they don't turn your entire country into a SEZ).

The vast majority of Chinese industry is still state-owned, and the vast majority of Chinese agriculture is still collectivized.

why does it matter what part of China Foxxcon is from.

e-dt
Sep 16, 2019

it doesn't really matter if china's mode of production is capitalist or socialist right now; what matters is whether it is going towards socialism or not - that is, whether the state is of the bourgeoisie or of the proletariat. and do note that formerly proletarian governments can and have become bourgeois or at least "degenerated" in the past (see the example of [PICK DEPENDING ON OPINION: Stalin, Khrushchev, Gorbachev]), so it is possible.

T-man
Aug 22, 2010


Talk shit, get bzzzt.

china is anarchist

I Before E
Jul 2, 2012

China isn't a socialist state, it isn't a fascist state, it's a state about being gay with Xi Jinping.

littleorv
Jan 29, 2011

China is hyper capitalist and is beating everyone else at capitalism right now

Slanderer
May 6, 2007
the latest episode of the Bruenigs podcast is just Matt in a hosted debate with some dude about job guarantees. normally id say debates are dumb, but in this case it becomes clear how insane JG peoeple are when they actually have to articulate what they want

BrutalistMcDonalds
Oct 4, 2012


Lipstick Apathy

I Before E posted:

China isn't a socialist state, it isn't a fascist state, it's a state about being gay with Xi Jinping.
G.G. Ping

Victory Position
Mar 16, 2004

Atrocious Joe posted:

why does it matter what part of China Foxxcon is from.

what is the most Midwestern part of China

what is the Wisconsin of China

crepeface
Nov 5, 2004

r*p*f*c*
what do you call xi jinping auto-erotic asphyxiation

one belt one load

i say swears online
Mar 4, 2005

crepeface posted:

what do you call xi jinping auto-erotic asphyxiation

one belt one load

Harold Stassen
Jan 24, 2016
DROPPIN ROADS

Often Abbreviated
Dec 19, 2017

1st Severia Tank Brigade
"Ghosts of Honcharivske"

gradenko_2000 posted:

State Capitalism is an oxymoron. If the means of production are controlled by the democratically elected government, by definition it's not privatised

It's hardly in the hands of the workers though either, is it? I think "State Capitalist" is a useful definition as the operation of the means of production - extracting a surplus from the labour of the workers that can then be directed towards industrial expansion or other projects - is essentially a capitalist one. Just the specific capitalist in question is the state, rather than J.D Rockefeller or whatever. The idea of rejecting it as an oxymoron a priori imo gets you further away from the reality that capitalism is always a state project, and is always asserted, propagated, and defended with state assets and state institutions.

gh0stpinballa
Mar 5, 2019

crepeface posted:

what do you call xi jinping auto-erotic asphyxiation

one belt one load

Clibanarius
Sep 22, 2020

by Athanatos

hahahahahaah nooooooooooo, dude!

Gripweed
Nov 8, 2018
Women are wonderful animals, they should be making music and writing novels about having a complex relationship with your mother.
China has Walmarts and McDonalds, how the gently caress is it socialist?

Optimus Subprime
Mar 26, 2005

Ideas are more powerful than guns. We would not let our enemies have guns, why should we let them have ideas?

Atrocious Joe posted:

why does it matter what part of China Foxxcon is from.

under appreciated joke imo

Halloween Jack
Sep 12, 2003
I WILL CUT OFF BOTH OF MY ARMS BEFORE I VOTE FOR ANYONE THAT IS MORE POPULAR THAN BERNIE!!!!!

Clibanarius posted:

It's state capitalist. Their government holds a lot of power and controls but they sure as poo poo ain't socialist.

gradenko_2000 posted:

State Capitalism is an oxymoron. If the means of production are controlled by the democratically elected government, by definition it's not privatised
Socialism is when the government does things, and the more the government does, the socialister it is.

THS
Sep 15, 2017

take it to the east asia thread

this thread is for deranged obsession with the voices

Grevling
Dec 18, 2016

What are the voices saying about China?

thotsky
Jun 7, 2005

hot to trot
papa xi is dummy thicc

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy
Xi Jinping vocal fry

Doc Hawkins
Jun 15, 2010

Dashing? But I'm not even moving!


Optimus Subprime posted:

under appreciated joke imo

i appreciated the poo poo out of it but couldn't think of a way to say so that didn't feel like white noise

...White Noise would be a good name for a podcast, who will co-host with me

Quotey
Aug 16, 2006

We went out for lunch and then we stopped for some bubble tea.
Yeah I bet there are no podcasts named white noise you’ve hit on a great one there

Doc Hawkins
Jun 15, 2010

Dashing? But I'm not even moving!


Quotey posted:

Yeah I bet there are no podcasts named white noise you’ve hit on a great one there

i checked! they're all just collections of literal white noise. hair brushing, falling rain, electronic music, etc

Harold Stassen
Jan 24, 2016
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=djBfhmXgs58

Harold Stassen
Jan 24, 2016

thotsky posted:

papa xi is dummy thicc

Xi Jinping Thot

gh0stpinballa
Mar 5, 2019

Doc Hawkins posted:

i appreciated the poo poo out of it but couldn't think of a way to say so that didn't feel like white noise

...White Noise would be a good name for a podcast, who will co-host with me

what shall our new venture be about? aliens? ghosts? delillo?

crepeface
Nov 5, 2004

r*p*f*c*
i have meetings in the morning please clip funny bits of the twitch show for me tia

Grevling
Dec 18, 2016

Victory Position
Mar 16, 2004

Doc Hawkins posted:

i checked! they're all just collections of literal white noise. hair brushing, falling rain, electronic music, etc

this is an ASMR B-reel, these are just noises recorded around a place

Gorn Myson
Aug 8, 2007






Anyone else tear up a bit with Will's bit at the end of that Chapo episode?

Centrist Committee
Aug 6, 2019

COMPAGNIE TOMMY posted:

Xi Jinping Thot

Lady Militant
Apr 8, 2020

The history of all hitherto existing society is the history of class struggles.

Gorn Myson posted:

Anyone else tear up a bit with Will's bit at the end of that Chapo episode?

yeah, my dads also really old so...it was hard to listen to and made me tear up

Quotey
Aug 16, 2006

We went out for lunch and then we stopped for some bubble tea.

Doc Hawkins posted:

i checked! they're all just collections of literal white noise. hair brushing, falling rain, electronic music, etc

Sounds like we have some solid chemistry, cohost.

Divot
Dec 23, 2013
Has Vaush like, ever advocated for any politicians outside the national level or is he all just votescolding for Biden and calling other people class reductionists?

Like you can argue about the utility of lefty podcasters all you want but at least Brace and the Chapo crew have made me aware of good candidates at the local and regional level even if they're in places I don't live.

Victory Position
Mar 16, 2004

Divot posted:

Has Vaush like, ever advocated for any politicians outside the national level or is he all just votescolding for Biden and calling other people class reductionists?

Like you can argue about the utility of lefty podcasters all you want but at least Brace and the Chapo crew have made me aware of good candidates at the local and regional level even if they're in places I don't live.

he found his ideology all matted up in the street on a rainy day and decided that it was a good look

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Pirate Jet
May 2, 2010

Gorn Myson posted:

Anyone else tear up a bit with Will's bit at the end of that Chapo episode?

it was just kinda sweet until he started to choke a little too and i was like aw man :smith:

rip papa menaker

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