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What percentage of population has to die before you get a poppy? Based on WW1/2 calculations of UK casualties (incl. colonies) it seems to be somewhere between 1-2%, so if the ICU capacity collapses then we could be in the Poppy Zone 
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Don't be silly you only get war christmas for soldiers. Not the dead. Soldiers.
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Nov 3, 2020 15:40
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https://twitter.com/jimwaterson/status/1323632451701428224 You hate to see it... ...happen without the owners inside.
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Nov 3, 2020 15:44
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Hmm... well I never! Link: £45m deal for NHS masks collapses amid fraud claims
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Nov 3, 2020 15:50
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Gort posted:Depends what constituency you're in. Like if you're in Islington North you should probably still vote for "Starmer's Labour", for example. My local MP is a Co-op Labour chap he's an arch abstainer so I'm not voting for him next time, unless something crazy happens. Sadly the constituency has very few other options, no Monster Loony here for example.
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Nov 3, 2020 16:12
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"People" seem to go for phrases with "The people's" in them as in "people's vote", "people's postcode lottery" etc. I've also noticed a lot of ads these days have something like "Hello Britain" or "Britain you're in charge" or something like that in it - (any of those ads with the annoying Rylan in them for a start off). So we need a new party that has "peoples's" and "Britain" in. People's to the Britain Party Britain your peoples are in charge party Britain's Poppy People Party.
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Nov 3, 2020 16:21
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Lungboy posted:My local MP is a Co-op Labour chap he's an arch abstainer so I'm not voting for him next time, unless something crazy happens. Sadly the constituency has very few other options, no Monster Loony here for example. In most constituencies you're really voting against someone, generally whoever's in second-place. So if the second-placer in your constituency is a Tory or Lib-Dem I'd still vote for the abstainer just to lower the chance of the Tories getting a strong majority.
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Nov 3, 2020 16:25
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The British People’s Proper Poppy Party
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Nov 3, 2020 16:27
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Gort posted:In most constituencies you're really voting against someone, generally whoever's in second-place. So if the second-placer in your constituency is a Tory or Lib-Dem I'd still vote for the abstainer just to lower the chance of the Tories getting a strong majority. Second place is a Tory but no, I'm not going to do that anymore. If everyone does that then there's zero reason for Labour to ever head towards the left.
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Nov 3, 2020 16:27
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The people’s poppy republic of grate Briton
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Nov 3, 2020 16:28
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But we already have a defacto "People's republic" so anything like that's out.
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Nov 3, 2020 16:36
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Poppers for the People of Britain Party wait, what?
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Nov 3, 2020 16:38
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jabby posted:I have mixed feelings towards Farage's new party. Nah he'll just do exactly the same poo poo as he did last time - posture about it, get some kind of shady payoff from the Tories, and stand down candidates in Tory safe and marginal seats. E: F;B feedmegin posted:Not when it matters, he won't. He'll do a deal with the Tories where they agree to do some of what he wants and then stand down in their seats. WhatEvil fucked around with this message at 16:40 on Nov 3, 2020 |
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Nov 3, 2020 16:38
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Peepeepoopoo poppy party.
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Nov 3, 2020 16:40
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learnincurve posted:I already said there is a partial way of helping, yes it’s financial and does not help with childcare but that’s something that needs looking at alongside furlough - September has always been the start of the school year because Harvest, so it’s meaningless as a date. Send everyone home but do a reset on the whole school year, make it Jan 1st and extend all benefits accordingly so at least poor kids have a chance at getting the GCSEs/A levels they need not to be assigned as poor for life because they were born poor. Making sure poor kids are poor for life is the entire goal of the Tory party.
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Nov 3, 2020 16:45
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Jaeluni Asjil posted:"People" seem to go for phrases with "The people's" in them as in "people's vote", "people's postcode lottery" etc. British Working People's Party. Or BWPP/Boop. I'm voting Boop.
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Nov 3, 2020 16:47
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Lungboy posted:Second place is a Tory but no, I'm not going to do that anymore. If everyone does that then there's zero reason for Labour to ever head towards the left. The Labour right will never, ever take home the message that they lost to the Tories because they weren't left-wing enough
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Nov 3, 2020 16:53
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https://twitter.com/jeremycorbyn/status/1323593662069121026 I don't know how he keeps going, what a loving man.
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sebzilla posted:https://twitter.com/jeremycorbyn/status/1323593662069121026 He's always been persistent and focused. He used to drive my boss pots when I worked in the NHS in the 1990s (which included sites in his constituency). She used to come into meetings looking frazzled, throw down her papers and go "Bloody Jeremy Corbyn's been on again".
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Nov 3, 2020 17:03
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The radio just said that memorials can all still go ahead as long as you keep it brief and only think about poppys whilst youre there, nothing else.
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Nov 3, 2020 17:14
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Biggus Dickus posted:Hmm... well I never! quote:Win Billion Investment Group
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Nov 3, 2020 17:14
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You need a name like PPE Medpro to be a real PPE company.
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Nov 3, 2020 17:18
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I wish my ballot papers had a NOT THE TORY SCUM option so I didn’t have to pick one of the neolib scum to “support” every time
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Nov 3, 2020 17:20
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I'm gonna vote for the northern independence party next general election
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Nov 3, 2020 17:20
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jabby posted:The Labour right will never, ever take home the message that they lost to the Tories because they weren't left-wing enough yeah, its what basically means that even if in 15-20 years Labour get another left wing leader they'll just sabotage them like they did before its similar to why people go "how come the tories dont invest in services or govern properly even in the pandemic" its cause theyr ideologically opposed to it. its like if the left had won power and then some imaginary problem could only be solved by privatisation or war, we wouldnt do it
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Nov 3, 2020 17:24
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Lungboy posted:Second place is a Tory but no, I'm not going to do that anymore. If everyone does that then there's zero reason for Labour to ever head towards the left. If you have already made that decision, then yes, there is no such reason. And also no reason for Tories to avoid heading further rightward. If instead you decide to wait and see what things look like at election time, then there might be. Ok, there probably wan’t be, but the definition of hope is believing that there could be.
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Nov 3, 2020 17:30
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Jose posted:next general election lol
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Soricidus posted:I wish my ballot papers had a NOT THE TORY SCUM option so I didn’t have to pick one of the neolib scum to “support” every time
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Guavanaut posted:You can just write that. It's about as effective as voting for labour nowadays.
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Communist Thoughts posted:yeah, its what basically means that even if in 15-20 years Labour get another left wing leader they'll just sabotage them like they did before This is why at the moment I can't support leaving Labour. If you abandon the party entirely to the right they will never, ever move back left even if the alternative is permanent Tory rule. Blair has explicitly said as much. If there was a decent left-wing alternative party that might gain some traction I'd be 100% behind it, or if anybody could properly explain how the left can change the country completely via the "extra-parliamentary" route. But regardless I think we need a nucleus of left-wing support within Labour to cause trouble, swing internal votes and push for another left-wing leader.
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Nov 3, 2020 18:07
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JeremoudCorbynejad posted:I mean, even "only 1% will die" is a poor argument, you don't even need to get into long covid. Ask them which of their relatives they're willing to sacrifice so Itsu can stay open.
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Nov 3, 2020 18:11
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goddamnedtwisto posted:Ask them which of their relatives they're willing to sacrifice so Itsu can stay open. Trust me, this is never the gotcha that you hope it will be.
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Nov 3, 2020 18:13
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Guavanaut posted:You can just write that. They don't take a vote off the tories if you do that, though. Which is a shame because I think it would be a very funny election system if they did.
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I've been studiously avoiding US politics for years, but a certain amount unavoidably seeps through and since there's an election happening I thought I'd take a look over the ocean for once, and I trust folks ITT to have a take or two. My understanding is that aesthetically Republicans personally tend to hold more repellant views and are more openly self serving, and that there are some individually progressive Democrat politicians, although I'm not sure to what extent they act on that as a party. On a systemic level and on larger issues (for instance climate, immigration and foreign policy, economic inequality in the US and abroad, structural racism), what are the policy differences we'd see between a Trump and a Biden government? I'm not trying to do a smug gotcha, from a distance I can't tell if there is a Rizla between them or not and I want to know if a Dem victory would bring any material changes noticeable to outside world or if it's just passing the baton.
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Biden has promised to shut down any post-Brexit trade deal that breaks the Good Friday Agreement and risks Ireland, that's one thing.
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big scary monsters posted:I've been studiously avoiding US politics for years, but a certain amount unavoidably seeps through and since there's an election happening I thought I'd take a look over the ocean for once, and I trust folks ITT to have a take or two. My understanding is that aesthetically Republicans personally tend to hold more repellant views and are more openly self serving, and that there are some individually progressive Democrat politicians, although I'm not sure to what extent they act on that as a party. On a systemic level and on larger issues (for instance climate, immigration and foreign policy, economic inequality in the US and abroad, structural racism), what are the policy differences we'd see between a Trump and a Biden government? I'm not trying to do a smug gotcha, from a distance I can't tell if there is a Rizla between them or not and I want to know if a Dem victory would bring any material changes noticeable to outside world or if it's just passing the baton. Biden is a lovely liberal, Trump is an out-and-out fascist. If you don't want every American leftist publicly executed, you should hope Trump loses.
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you have the general gist of things down. look at obama's foreign policy "wins" if you want a preview of what a biden administration would be like. despite the fact that biden is not at all progressive i don't think his foreign policy would be any 'worse' than obama's (which is not to say that obama's was in any fashion much good). a biden government will probably be less likely to push for punishing measures against the lgbtq communities, for example. but if you're looking for a marxist analysis of the situation, both parties serve capital and from that perspective won't allow much change, because change is abhorrent to the status quo (which capital loves). being pro-lgbtq is, these days, generally good for capital, so the democrats have the relative freedom to be nominally socially progressive. they remain in large part fiscally conservative from what i'm guessing is this thread's viewpoint. Guavanaut posted:Biden has promised to shut down any post-Brexit trade deal that breaks the Good Friday Agreement and risks Ireland, that's one thing. he has to because the house already said that was a no-go, and congress can give itself veto power over trade deals when it cares to assert that kind of authority
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I'm skeptical of the actual utility of the biden presidency but it would make a lot of decent folk very happy in the short term to see trump eat poo poo. Also I guess maybe once trump is gone it might let people have politics other than "get rid of trump y/n" I dunno.
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it's always worth recalling that the Scottish Parliament is MMP and the Welsh the Corbyn period really took a hammer to the knees of small leftie regional networks and lobby groups, which evaporated and surrendered much of their energy, expertise, and networks to the Labour party (the risk of this occurring was one of the proffered arguments against Lansman's consolidation of Momentum once upon a time). Realistically, these will crystallize again from the ether over time ronya fucked around with this message at 18:30 on Nov 3, 2020 |
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OwlFancier posted:They don't take a vote off the tories if you do that, though. Which is a shame because I think it would be a very funny election system if they did. Everyone gets one vote which they can either use *for* a candidate or *against* Then it's regular FPTP but you need a positive final total. If nobody finishes >0 then you re-run it. Maybe drop the worst candidate I dunno.
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