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Irony.or.Death posted:Looking for kind of a story direction/tone consult from people who've been through the entire Trails series. Apologies for You've played 6 games, I say take a decently long break and come back to play 3 more to get to the end of the originally planned content from that has existed since FC. The only advice I really have is to remember that CS isnt any more anime than CB, its just in 3D which seems to make people feel like there's more anime for some reason.
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Idkbutlike2 posted:The combat high school routine. That alone is gonna put some people off. That's true. But I was only talking in relation to the ending of both games, because they feel sorta similar. Though now I realise I somehow didn't actually specify that in my post. So, oops.
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Irony.or.Death posted:Looking for kind of a story direction/tone consult from people who've been through the entire Trails series. Apologies for
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Idkbutlike2 posted:The combat high school routine. That alone is gonna put some people off. You know, I've never really thought deeply about it. But uh, what are people actually complaining about there? The main issue I see with the combat high school trope is that it's a pretty heavy handed way to say that only teenagers can do anything in the series. But that doesnt apply to CS at all, in fact people's biggest issue with 2 appears to be the fact that our playable teenagers can't beat every foe they meet. If its just hatred for being in a high school and having high school relationships, than the Jenis segments of FC and TC also apply, right?
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Nov 4, 2020 00:41
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people just see a school and go 'grr anime.' realistically the situation in cs1 isnt any real different from sky 1, but, grr anime. same with stuff like mechs, superpowered modes, etc. all that stuff was already in sky 1 it was just presented very slightly differently so peoples brains accepted it, whereas cs1 presents those same tropes more bluntly and, grr, anime.
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I genuinely cannot comprehend people loving FC and thinking something like CS1 is completely different in terms of tone and writing.
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RevolverDivider posted:I genuinely cannot comprehend people loving FC and thinking something like CS1 is completely different in terms of tone and writing. they say space is the final frontier... but the truth is... its the human brain!!
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Nov 4, 2020 00:56
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I can totally see liking Sky, and Especially FC for being the first entry where you know nothing and slowly fall in love since I went through that myself. But wanting more of that doesn't really make sense to me because Trails entire thing is that it's interconnected and continuously develops and NOTHING ELSE offers that, so you're literally asking for something unique to become something generic if you don't want the evolving connections.
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Nov 4, 2020 00:59
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I get tropes and all, but it's still kinda wild to me that someone would go "grrr high school anime" and not have a problem with playing as loving cops in 2020. I know that it took me a while to get past the fact that the SSS was a division of the police when I played Zero this year. E: The police brutality jokes in the localization did not help even a little bit.
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Endorph posted:people just see a school and go 'grr anime.' realistically the situation in cs1 isnt any real different from sky 1, but, grr anime. same with stuff like mechs, superpowered modes, etc. all that stuff was already in sky 1 it was just presented very slightly differently so peoples brains accepted it, whereas cs1 presents those same tropes more bluntly and, grr, anime. To be fair they were alright with the game until the ending so it probably wasn't high school that turned them off it.
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King of Solomon posted:I get tropes and all, but it's still kinda wild to me that someone would go "grrr high school anime" and not have a problem with playing as loving cops in 2020. I know that it took me a while to get past the fact that the SSS was a division of the police when I played Zero this year. Crossbell is not in the united states of planet earth, hope that helps for people that can discern from reality
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Tae posted:Crossbell is not in the united states of planet earth, hope that helps for people that can discern from reality wee bit patronizing, they didn't said anything close to warranting this remark.
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Nov 4, 2020 01:18
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Bracers are cops, the soldiers of the literal empire are, well,
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Motto posted:Bracers are cops, the soldiers of the literal empire are, well, ???????????/ The Cold Steel games go out of their way to say that the wars (both the civil one in 2 and the one being prepared for in 4) are bad? Like, Rean and co are trying to stop it from becoming too bad in 2 by saving people and trying to cool things down, and the goal in 4 is to stop it from happening?
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Nov 4, 2020 01:23
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Just enjoy the games for what they are, it's not like you have anything better to do during these pandemic days. I enjoyed playing through the different perspectives of the Guild, a division of the CSPD, and Thors. I think CSIV and Hajimari bring them together quite nicely. We'll probably see some new combat orbment of whatever Verne of Calvard is working on for people to complain about, and well a different combat system entirely.
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Nov 4, 2020 01:26
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I personally like every single faction in the series, and I do personally recommend trying not to tie any baggage from our world to Lloyd Bannings, bless his burning heart, in Zemuria.
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MythosDragon posted:You know, I've never really thought deeply about it. But uh, what are people actually complaining about there? Combat high school (often with harem elements) was a once-trendy light novel premise that a lot of people got sick and tired of by the time Trails of Cold Steel came out in the west. Beyond that, Thors as a setting is extremely on the nose with its Japanese high school parallels; right down to hosting a bunkasai school festival that includes a Buddhist rock garden and a pop idol concert.
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Tae posted:Crossbell is not in the united states of planet earth, hope that helps for people that can discern from reality Guess you haven't noticed that cops suck outside the US as well?
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Junpei posted:???????????/ I'm not saying that as a crit of either of those games, just that "being some manner of law enforcement/power projection" is something you can say of every Trails protagonist. e: but also afaik a big part of the start of Zero is that the CB cops suck and nobody likes you, because you're cops anyway Motto fucked around with this message at 02:18 on Nov 4, 2020 |
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Nov 4, 2020 01:58
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Idkbutlike2 posted:Combat high school (often with harem elements) was a once-trendy light novel premise that a lot of people got sick and tired of by the time Trails of Cold Steel came out in the west. Beyond that, Thors as a setting is extremely on the nose with its Japanese high school parallels; right down to hosting a bunkasai school festival that includes a Buddhist rock garden and a pop idol concert. I think the fact I basically ignored anime for the better part of a decade (unless it had Gundam in the title) may be a big reason as to why I didn't mind CS1's premise 
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Most of the Anime's i've watched have something closer to the Bracer Guild than a military academy, but that is what has been available on netflix.
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Idkbutlike2 posted:Combat high school (often with harem elements) was a once-trendy light novel premise that a lot of people got sick and tired of by the time Trails of Cold Steel came out in the west. Beyond that, Thors as a setting is extremely on the nose with its Japanese high school parallels; right down to hosting a bunkasai school festival that includes a Buddhist rock garden and a pop idol concert. If I remember correctly, didnt we show up for Jenis' school festival, which featured an even more on the nose crossdressing play(which was awesome) that directly resulted in Joshua getting the affections of Kloe?
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Nov 4, 2020 03:26
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The status effect game in 4 is just so incredibly stupid. Why yes, here's a boss that spams a very high chance map-wide confusion move constantly, and the game hasn't actually given you enough confusion blocking accessories to cover your whole party by then (in fact, it's given you 2). Oh, and it's a pure status effect move, so evasion and the various physical/magical reflect spells, crafts and orders don't actually block it. To say nothing of the field boss and end boss of the Crossbell segment. Yes you can manually buy more, but money so far has absolutely been a huge issue even without spending large amounts more for full party status effect coverage for every single dangerous effect. Yet another early game "fun" element that's nearly completely irrelevant later on due to more access to the better accessories. Lord Koth fucked around with this message at 04:04 on Nov 4, 2020 |
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MythosDragon posted:If I remember correctly, didnt we show up for Jenis' school festival, which featured an even more on the nose crossdressing play(which was awesome) that directly resulted in Joshua getting the affections of Kloe? Personally, I don't think so. Jenis isn't framed as weirdly in Liberl as Thors is in Erebonia. Trails spent five games portraying Erebonia as this rigid, conservative country, but then you get to Thors and it's a very laid back setting where someone can dress like this to a school event and not immediately get expelled.  Jenis is way more innocuous in my opinion. Even the crossdressing play isn't that bad, considering it's a play about knights and princesses backed by hokey organ music, which fits nicely with the culture and aesthetic of Liberl.
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Idkbutlike2 posted:Personally, I don't think so. Jenis isn't framed as weirdly in Liberl as Thors is in Erebonia. Trails spent five games portraying Erebonia as this rigid, conservative country, but then you get to Thors and it's a very laid back setting where someone can dress like this to a school event and not immediately get expelled. i think when you're at towa's power level you can kind of just do whatever you want
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Nov 4, 2020 04:08
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Nobody tells Towa loving Herschel what to do.
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kirbysuperstar posted:Nobody tells Towa loving Herschel what to do. I can almost guarantee that one or both of Crow and Angelica told her to do that. I don't remember if they explained it.
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King of Solomon posted:I can almost guarantee that one or both of Crow and Angelica told her to do that. I don't remember if they explained it. I'm sure Angelica did some persuading yeah
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I mean Olivert is the chairman of the school. What would you expect?
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Idkbutlike2 posted:Trails spent five games portraying Erebonia as this rigid, conservative country, but then you get to Thors and it's a very laid back setting where someone can dress like this to a school event and not immediately get expelled. Thats not exactly true. Our biggest Erebonian contact was.... Olivert. Trails spent 5 games letting you know stuff was up in the empire, not that the empire was stuffy mcstuffytown. Thats just the Liberlian and Crossbellian perspective of being terrified of your giga war neighbor. One of my favorite aspects of the series is in fact getting to go Erebonia and it not being an evil empire.
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I mean the Empire is literally an incredibly awful place even if from within it seems chill. That's literally a major part of the series.
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I think it says a lot about Erebonia that of the two big political forces in the nation the least awful are the military expansionists.
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Alright, time to tap the breaks. Let's talk about CS4 Musse: I am totally down for a girl of noble upbringing being able to keep a low profile and put two and two together to figure out which direction the country is going. She's got the connections and the resources to stay on top of such things, especially if she wasn't an active participant in things until CS3. HOWEVER, just saying "yeah dude I could tell everything that was going to happen when I was like 8 cause I'm just like super good at guessing and follow the money, lol, I taught Sherlock everything he knows why do you ask" is some absolute garbage poo poo. In trying to convince me that Musse is the sharpest tool in any shed on the planet, you've gone comically too far and now it might as well be magic bullshit. You had a good thing in your hands and you took it too far. In related news I had a far easier time dealing with the Vermillion Knight and I sincerely hope I spend the entire game rubbing his face in his own failures.
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Shinjobi posted:Alright, time to tap the breaks. Let's talk about CS4 Musse: There's a bonding event with Musse early in Act 2 where she does some planning for her private army, and it's almost explicitly magic bullshit. Like, she overclocks her brain or something and gets exhausted after doing it.
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King of Solomon posted:There's a bonding event with Musse early in Act 2 where she does some planning for her private army, and it's almost explicitly magic bullshit. Like, she overclocks her brain or something and gets exhausted after doing it. Yeah, Musse's thing isn't just 'is smart' but 'is absurdly implausible excessively capable of planning to the point it causes her physical distress.' It's a superpower as much as any other character has.
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There's a second bonding event in Act 3 where she heavily implies it's a gift that comes every few generations to House Cayenne and that her parents specifically trained her to use the power. It could explain why they are the highest of the Four Great Houses.
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I can't say it's the dumbest thing in this franchise, but it's really sad how it was rad as hell until she showed how she can predict Billy Joe stubbing his toe 20 years down the road. Also lmfao oops how did I miss Ash picking up that doodad in CS3.
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How the gently caress are you supposed to beat Roselia at VM? She is impossible at this juncture.
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What's her master card, I beat her but I can't remember what I used. It was probably all ranged cards though.
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CSIV: Act 1 double boss battle: How is that little poo poo Gilbert still kicking? Was he in the crossbell games too or something? And that fight against Zephyr holy jesus. Thankfully I went in with full everything and just smashed them in the face with S-Crafts and Randy's Order. Still only barely got it under the wire since I needed to scan them too I'm really enjoying the dynamic early on. Juna, Kurt and Altina are genuinely great together and I find myself not really missing the larger cast. I know it wont last but it's such a great way to slip back into the world.
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