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I'm so loving pleased I didn't bother to stay up to watch this shitshow.
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Trump has just announced they're going to the supreme court to stop all further counting as its a fraud and hes won. Lmao
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Nov 4, 2020 08:31
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Watch the Dems pick Hilary as their candidate in '24 
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Nov 4, 2020 08:32
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serious gaylord posted:Trump has just announced they're going to the supreme court to stop all further counting as its a fraud and hes won. And three of the gore vs bush lawyers are currently supreme court judges lmao
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Nov 4, 2020 08:34
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goddamnedtwisto posted:I'm so loving pleased I didn't bother to stay up to watch this shitshow. I stayed up, but not willingly. Anxiety over this has hosed my sleeping ability.
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Nov 4, 2020 08:48
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I had to get one of my cats to pee on special litter and she was not playing ball. Finally got it sorted at 7am after a nap. Now I don't have meetings until 10am but I'm dog tired and hungover. Checking the news hasn't helped. This week is going to be...something. Guess I'll try to sleep again for at least another hour. Weee.
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Nov 4, 2020 08:53
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Manic_Misanthrope posted:I stayed up, but not willingly. Anxiety over this has hosed my sleeping ability. This is exactly where I am. I still feel like staying awake, but I'm not sure what the point would be.
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Nov 4, 2020 08:54
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Go to bed you loons the world is horrible enough without you being loving awake for it more than you have to be.
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Nov 4, 2020 08:56
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OwlFancier posted:Go to bed you loons the world is horrible enough without you being loving awake for it more than you have to be. I was in bed, it wasn't helping. Also I have work to go to.
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Nov 4, 2020 08:56
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Beefeater1980 posted:It seems obvious to me that she’s right as a matter of general principle, because the right wing party isn’t ever going to be vulnerable to pressure from the left. It was, as you've probably guessed, written before the 2019 election and Starmer's takeover. 
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Nov 4, 2020 09:02
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goddamnedtwisto posted:I'm so loving pleased I didn't bother to stay up to watch this shitshow. This is exactly how I'm feeling. Given that basically every election in the last 10+ years has been some flavour of utter poo poo, maybe I should just stop watching elections?
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Nov 4, 2020 09:09
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Liberal Centrist Twitter is gravely disappointed with the US electorate this morning.
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Nov 4, 2020 09:16
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Pistol_Pete posted:Liberal Centrist Twitter is gravely disappointed with the US electorate this morning. To be fair they’re not the only ones. E: Actually I wonder if there’s something to the theory that people get more right wing when times are hard because solidarity flies out the window when you’re desperate. So a right wing message that they’ll help you be self reliant is maybe more appealing than the promise that it will be better for everyone overall (but you personally may or may not still be hosed). I certainly got a lot more left wing once I got used to having enough in the bank to last to month end without borrowing. Beefeater1980 fucked around with this message at 09:22 on Nov 4, 2020 |
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Nov 4, 2020 09:18
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Pistol_Pete posted:Liberal Centrist Twitter is gravely disappointed with the US electorate this morning.
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Nov 4, 2020 09:18
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Even if Biden wins and somehow manages to hold office past Trump’s legal challenges, the failure of the Democrats to take the senate means he will achieve exactly nothing in his term and a more competent facist will take power in four years. America is probably even more hosed than we are.
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Nov 4, 2020 09:22
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It depends what their failure does to the left in the country I guess.
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Nov 4, 2020 09:26
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This'll probably serve as a wakeup call to Sir Keir that
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Nov 4, 2020 09:28
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So what's actually happening and who is going to win?
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Nov 4, 2020 09:30
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You can read the liveposting thread but it is down to a few states and trump has large leads but the remaining ballots are expected to be heavily democratic, so nobody really knows.
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Nov 4, 2020 09:31
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Beefeater1980 posted:E: Actually I wonder if there’s something to the theory that people get more right wing when times are hard because solidarity flies out the window when you’re desperate. So a right wing message that they’ll help you be self reliant is maybe more appealing than the promise that it will be better for everyone overall (but you personally may or may not still be hosed). I certainly got a lot more left wing once I got used to having enough in the bank to last to month end without borrowing.
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Nov 4, 2020 09:31
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blues thief posted:This'll probably serve as a wakeup call to Sir Keir that
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Nov 4, 2020 09:33
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It's actually much better to keep up by following the smaller threads. The big threads are nuts right now (undertsably).
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Nov 4, 2020 09:37
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Itzena posted:They'll conclude that Biden didn't go far enough in outreach to disaffected right-wing voters, so Labour needs to keep moving further right to win. Turns out you can pick the most right wing candidate short of an actual fascist & this still happens, & exactly the wrong message will be learned from this
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Nov 4, 2020 09:41
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blues thief posted:This'll probably serve as a wakeup call to Sir Keir that Keir's big loving sweaty ham face just expanding and inflating as the North continues to vote tory despite him calmly and authoritatively explaining to them why his brand of crushing austerity is in fact the sensible thing to do
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Nov 4, 2020 09:41
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blues thief posted:This'll probably serve as a wakeup call to Sir Keir that Biden was too left wing is already the message
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Nov 4, 2020 09:46
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Did have a little lol at the Guardian's blog this morning. 'It's fine Biden will definitely win okay now please can we have some money so we can carry on posting information you can get off twitter for free and calling it fact-based journalism'
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Nov 4, 2020 09:48
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Pistol_Pete posted:Liberal Centrist Twitter is gravely disappointed with the US electorate this morning. Selfposting: https://twitter.com/CouncilCulture/status/1323909097180303360
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Nov 4, 2020 09:51
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Bernie would have won imo
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Nov 4, 2020 09:54
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Communist Thoughts posted:Biden was too left wing is already the message Borrovan posted:All of the vox pops on BBC were very clear that Biden lost because he is a socialist, & socialism is bad & spooky Cool. A friend was talking about how Biden's weaker performance would mean moving the party to the left would gain a wider appeal and I joked back that they'd say it was Sanders and the DSA's fault for giving Trump cause to paint the party with a socialist label (which he obviously would've done regardless). Guess I wasn't far off. crispix posted:Bernie would have won imo Hard to say since they ultimately didn't have to give him the full Corbyn treatment after Obama intervened in the primaries. I'd like to think so, though.
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Nov 4, 2020 10:00
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Itzena posted:They'll conclude that Biden didn't go far enough in outreach to disaffected right-wing voters, so Labour needs to keep moving further right to win. this is 1000% going to be the take away on this.
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Nov 4, 2020 10:03
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crispix posted:Bernie would have won imo This is true Here's Lisa Nandy being a moron https://twitter.com/shirleymush/status/1323911859276316672?s=19 forkboy84 fucked around with this message at 10:09 on Nov 4, 2020 |
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Nov 4, 2020 10:04
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Guavanaut posted:Throughout the majority of human history the only way people have been able to survive is through solidarity, and I doubt that the majority of people joining Red Guard groups or the Cuban revolution were hyper self-sufficient individuals. Abahlali baseMjondolo definitely aren't. Maybe. Re red guards, China’s an interesting one because half the country was in arms already due to the Japanese invasion; it wasn’t really a revolution so much as one side winning an ongoing civil war because the Russians kicked the Japanese out of Manchuria and shipped all the guns and tanks left over to the closest thing they had to an ally; desperation didn’t create the conditions for the CCP’s victory. Cultural revolution Red Guard brigades were mostly students, but I have a feeling you mean someone else there? I don’t know enough about Cuba / Abahlali baseMjondolo to have a view. Again and again, in democratic societies, people split off from their (working)class interest because they believe there is a chance they can do better on their own, even in the teeth of overwhelming evidence that they won’t. I think that’s something in the human psyche.
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Nov 4, 2020 10:10
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I think it definitely depends on circumstance. I recall a sociologist referring to 'bus mentality', where a bus traveling through a war torn area is attacked from without, and everyone onboard begins acting as a united group, regardless of ethnicity or destination, because they have a greater good to tend to, the safety of the bus. That search term has been polluted by a ton of other stuff so I can't find it though. That sounds like the thing that can get you nationalism if you do it wrong, but it seems to be exactly where AbM are coming from with their fight against poverty and corruption. Maybe it's the democratic society bit that's the problem, and as I said before perhaps the one good thing to come out of this pandemic will be a solid knock against the idea of liberal individualism, where the natural unit of society is the individual I.
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Nov 4, 2020 10:22
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Guavanaut posted:[...] perhaps the one good thing to come out of this pandemic will be a solid knock against the idea of liberal individualism, where the natural unit of society is the individual I. I was hoping this would be the case too, but as we go on I feel less confident in it. The number of people who refuse to wear masks and so on feels like it shows that the hyper-individualism is so deep-rooted now that it's hard to unseat.
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Nov 4, 2020 10:26
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The amount of hate for the anti-maskers is something interesting though, definitely seems to be tapping into something either higher or deeper in the human psyche than individualism, for better or worse.
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Nov 4, 2020 10:35
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American liberals: "Vote! You must vote! I beg you to vote! It's so important!" Americans: [vote] American liberals: "Wait, not like that!"
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Nov 4, 2020 10:36
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Liberals have always been about having a benevolent cabal of societal elites ruling over all, democracy is just this tedious ritual they have to go through to ensure that they're at the top of the pile where they so obviously belong.
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Nov 4, 2020 10:41
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Guavanaut posted:The amount of hate for the anti-maskers is something interesting though, definitely seems to be tapping into something either higher or deeper in the human psyche than individualism, for better or worse. I posted similar in the US election thread but yeah, i think there is a strong left/right divide among people who have internalized the lovely competitive hyper individualism of our society, own your house, own your car, fortify it against the outside, society cannot help you, and people who actually think of themselves as part of a greater whole.
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Nov 4, 2020 10:41
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Americans are the dumbest dipshits that ever lived.
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Guavanaut posted:I think it definitely depends on circumstance. I recall a sociologist referring to 'bus mentality', where a bus traveling through a war torn area is attacked from without, and everyone onboard begins acting as a united group, regardless of ethnicity or destination, because they have a greater good to tend to, the safety of the bus. That search term has been polluted by a ton of other stuff so I can't find it though. I wanted to quote this in full because there’s a lot of interesting things here. The bus example looks to me like tribalism: everyone here has a common threat so we’re banding together for survival. It’s probably not total strangers either; there will be some couples, some groups of neighbours and friends, and so on to form an initial core. If you later ask that group to contribute some of their stuff to a mutual defence fund with another bus somewhere else with a bunch of strangers aboard that is also under attack then I don’t think that works. Emotionally, I don’t think it has any power to make people care or identify with the passengers on the second bus. There are natural solidarities. Family is the basic one, and even people who kind of hate each other will reliably pull together at least a bit, even in the UK’s hyper individualistic culture. Here in China it’s wayyy stronger: family gets and is expected to give a LOT of support, although ironically enough that got eroded in the 60s-70s because people were supposed to be getting that from the state not their relatives. Working together or sharing trauma is another one. I have a sneaking feeling that it’s connected to complexity - maybe our society is too big and too complex for our biological sense of tribe to work well. If so that’s grim because while you can get to the same place intellectually, that’s a lot of effort compared to instinctively recognising someone as “one of us”.
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