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Toxic Fart Syndrome posted:Wow, this is going to be an upgrade for you. Yes! I'm excited to play new games and games I've missed out on over the past decade.  Toxic Fart Syndrome posted:Biggest thing is upgrading to an SSD, it's probably the single biggest performance increase in the last 20 years. And now you will want an NVME drive and not a SATA! This is a great starting point thank you. I've compiled a machine using yours and FreeKillB's suggestions, which looks like this: PCPartPicker Part List CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 3700X 3.6 GHz 8-Core Processor (£276.00 @ Amazon UK) CPU Cooler: ARCTIC Freezer 34 CPU Cooler (£28.79 @ Amazon UK) Motherboard: ASRock B550 Pro4 ATX AM4 Motherboard (£119.94 @ CCL Computers) Memory: Corsair Vengeance LPX 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3600 CL18 Memory (£59.14 @ Amazon UK) Storage: Western Digital Blue SN550 1 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive (£102.91 @ CCL Computers) Video Card: MSI GeForce GTX 1660 SUPER 6 GB GAMING X Video Card (£249.95 @ More Computers) Case: Fractal Design Meshify C ATX Mid Tower Case (£79.98 @ Amazon UK) Power Supply: SeaSonic Core GC 650 W 80+ Gold Certified ATX Power Supply (£70.47 @ Scan.co.uk) Total: £987.18 Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-11-04 16:52 GMT+0000 Hopefully I haven't missed anything critical, though I think it all fits well. I'll trust your judgement regarding the case as it's pretty difficult to judge how well ventilated it is or how easy it is to clean just based off the images and occasional review. On the PCPartPicker website I receive an error message with this motherboard reading- "the ASRock B550 Pro4 ATX AM4 Motherboard has an additional 4-pin ATX power connector but the SeaSonic Core GC 650 W 80+ Gold Certified ATX Power Supply does not". I'm not sure if this is a fault of the website or something else, but there doesn't seem to be a single documented PSU with this type of connector that also has a gold or above rating. Also, on the manufacturer's website for this board it says it has "M.2 Key E for WiFi", but it looks like the SSD would be taking up that slot. Would it be possible to attach a wifi adaptor in a different slot? Cheers for helping out this ignorant luddite!
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Some Goon posted:Hot drat. Without the mounting points i think I'd have that just as a sculpture. Here's how it turned out:
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First, I want to say that the OP is incredible. A lot of good information there that sets me up to ask reasonable questions. My current pc that an old friend custom built and sold to me is starting to lag behind due to some combination of CPU (i5-6600k), Gpu (1070 Fe), or using my TV as the monitor (Samsung UN55KU6300). I care about gaming, and most games are struggling to maintain 30 fps anlt this point. I have decided to upgrade the pc because those parts can be flipped or donated easier than a TV. I think I want to switch to Ryzen for my CPU, which means that I need to also switch motherboard. Motherboards are harder for me to gauge because I don't know what features I want or need from them. 1. Am I correct in assuming that a board that supports a Ryzen 3600 would also support a Ryzen 5800x due to the same AM4 chip set? 2. Am I better trying to deal with Bluetooth and wifi via dongles or the mobo? I tried using a dingle with current build and the connection is terrible. 3. The OP mentions something about sound drivers. What should I be looking for here? 4. I am planning on reusing my ram (4x8 ddr4 2800 I think). With that in mind, any mobos come to mind immediately to suggest?
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Chatrapati posted:Yes! I'm excited to play new games and games I've missed out on over the past decade. That's for overclocking, you can ignore it.
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Nov 4, 2020 18:58
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Is there any value in looking at older Intel chips if single core performance and value are a higher priority than multithreaded tasks/streaming? I'm just wondering if the $200 i7 9xxx series is at all in competition with the $200 ryzen 3600 or whatever the equivalent that's dropping this month is. I know there might not be a perfect answer to that since it waits to be seen if there's any real gains from that and CPU+GPU amd magic they claim to have with the upcoming chips but I'm out of the loop enough I don't know if they're even in the same ballpark
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OC'd in single core yes, they should outperform. The new chips tomorrow might change that, but they start at $300.
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nordichammer posted:First, I want to say that the OP is incredible. A lot of good information there that sets me up to ask reasonable questions. 1) Kinda sorta mostly. AM4 Socket means you could slam a 5800x into any board with the socket, but to work, you also need a bios that supports it. Now, eventually (i.e. by early next year), that'll be just about any AM4 board still on the market, but for now the only guaranteed option is going to be b550/x570 motherboards. The good news is, you should be getting a B550 or x570 board anyway if you're buying new. There's very little good reason to move down the price scale and look at b450/x470 boards if you're buying a new board anyway. (You probably want a B550 board, but specific feature sets vary, etc.) 2) Integrated wifi 6 is a real Nice To Have feature, and I'd take it over a dongle any day; that said, a pci wifi card will cost you like 30 bucks and is a perfectly reasonable option over a USB dongle as well, so don't overpay for wifi on the board (you shouldn't have to, it shouldn't be this large of a markup in any given a/b comparison). 3) If you're not a Serious Audiophile, mostly just don't sweat it, integrated sound is usually fine these days. I think the thread recommendation tends to be the b550M TUF board from Asus, which comes in both a wifi and no-wifi variant, and should be pretty needs suiting for most folks.
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Thank you so much for the answer and suggestion!
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gently caress Man posted:I think the use of multithreading in Power BI, at least, is minimal. I saw a huge reduction in compute time switching from a 4c/8t to 6c/12t machine using PowerBI. Trying to process, relate, and compile 17 datasets of ~250,000 records each was not happening on a human timescale using the 4c/8t "workstation" laptop w/32GB of DDR4-2666. The machine would peg the CPU and RAM to 100% then churn for hours; I eventually gave up. Running the same task on a 2600X with 16GB of DDR4-3200 took <10 minutes. Not sure if cores, frequency, or RAM speed was the bottleneck. YMMV, just sharing my experience using PBI to crunch substantial datasets on two different setups.
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denereal visease posted:I saw a huge reduction in compute time switching from a 4c/8t to 6c/12t machine using PowerBI. The datasets I'm looking at aren't usually that big, but I'm sure I'd still see some improvement from upgrading. Thanks for weighing in with your experience.
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I made this list earlier this year, when I was a slightly more optimistic person. I added a GPU to the list since then. Is it still good otherwise, for 1080p, mid-range gaming? The site is also warning me about possibly needing a BIOS update for the motherboard in order to use that CPU. I don't have another AMD CPU lying around to use for a BIOS update, will this be an actual issue?
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Farecoal posted:I made this list earlier this year, when I was a slightly more optimistic person. I added a GPU to the list since then. Is it still good otherwise, for 1080p, mid-range gaming? The site is also warning me about possibly needing a BIOS update for the motherboard in order to use that CPU. I don't have another AMD CPU lying around to use for a BIOS update, will this be an actual issue? This is actually pretty much what I put together, down to the case, the only thing I'd change is upgrade to a 1660 super if you've got an extra $20. From the reviews, it looks like the Ryzen 5 3600 worked out of the box for a bunch of buyers on Newegg.
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There's a 0% chance it won't work out of the box, that warning was applicable at launch when most of the stock on shelves had an old bios.
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gently caress Man posted:Here's how it turned out: Goddamn, what are your temps like??
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tuyop posted:Goddamn, what are your temps like?? i5-9600k - Idle 30 / Full 65 3090 - Idle 30 / "Full" 60
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FlamingLiberal posted:Do we have an idea as to what time the Zen3 processors go live tomorrow 9 AM EST is what I've heard.
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pik_d posted:9 AM EST is what I've heard. That's what's been on some advertising leaking out of Australia--1am AEDT, which is 9AM EST. It's a real weird time for them to post if it's not the actual launch time. That said, as others have mentioned, if you can be around at midnight it's worth checking and seeing if anyone was dumb and put them up at 12:01am. What I really want is for the benchmarks to leak out at 12:01am so I can figure out which CPU is the best buy.
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DrDork posted:That's what's been on some advertising leaking out of Australia--1am AEDT, which is 9AM EST. It's a real weird time for them to post if it's not the actual launch time. I wish they had the 5700(X) at launch, because for sure I'd buy that if it was like $375 to slot between the 5600X and 5800X. I was dead set on the 3700X because of the 8 cores, but the 5800X is really quite expensive for something that's only going to be better than the 5600X in edge cases (for gaming, at least).
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pik_d posted:I wish they had the 5700(X) at launch, because for sure I'd buy that if it was like $375 to slot between the 5600X and 5800X. I was dead set on the 3700X because of the 8 cores, but the 5800X is really quite expensive for something that's only going to be better than the 5600X in edge cases (for gaming, at least). Yeah, the only thing I can think of is that either the yields aren't great given the new 8-core complexes and a 5700X doesn't make financial sense right now, or AMD is just using the 5800X lovely pricing and the lack of a 5700X to try to force you up to a 5900X. I almost wonder if the 5900X, given that it's now 2x 6-of-8 CCXs, is only marginally more expensive to manufacture than the 5800X, given it's 8-of-8 CCX, despite being considerably larger and more powerful. I've no doubt a 5700X will exist in a few months, but that doesn't help all of us with new builds ready to go sans CPU.
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DrDork posted:Yeah, the only thing I can think of is that either the yields aren't great given the new 8-core complexes and a 5700X doesn't make financial sense right now, or AMD is just using the 5800X lovely pricing and the lack of a 5700X to try to force you up to a 5900X. I almost wonder if the 5900X, given that it's now 2x 6-of-8 CCXs, is only marginally more expensive to manufacture than the 5800X, given it's 8-of-8 CCX, despite being considerably larger and more powerful. Yeah, I've got everything else sitting in boxes or arriving tomorrow. Just need a CPU and I'm good to go. There's also no CPU cheap enough to make sense buying now then getting a 5700X when it comes out, because for the money you spend there why not just get a 5800X.
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Neat, got my 2060 today. I was expecting to miss the delivery and have to pick it up tomorrow Now to sign up for EVGA's Step Up program... I need to double check with a buddy IRL to see if he still wants my GTX 970, but if not, does anyone here want it? I'd be happy to get $50 + shipping (USA)
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pik_d posted:Yeah, I've got everything else sitting in boxes or arriving tomorrow. Just need a CPU and I'm good to go. There's also no CPU cheap enough to make sense buying now then getting a 5700X when it comes out, because for the money you spend there why not just get a 5800X. Yeah, the play is to get the 5600X now, run it for two years, and then either upgrade to an 8/10c Warhol (if it's compatible), or jump up to the DDR5 platform in 2023/2024 or so. Going from a 5600X -> 5700/5800/5900 doesn't make a lot of sense unless you can pick them up for an appropriate discount on the used market.
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CaptainPsyko posted:I think the thread recommendation tends to be the b550M TUF board from Asus, which comes in both a wifi and no-wifi variant, and should be pretty needs suiting for most folks. I'm looking to build my first PC in many years with the hopes of getting a 5600x tomorrow and have been looking for b550 boards that have bios flashback available. I figured I'd purchase components throughout the month as things go on sale leading up to Black Friday/Cyber Monday and today Newegg happens to have the ASUS TUF Gaming B550-Plus with a $15 off coupon code available, bringing the price to $145 and a little cheaper than theTUF Gaming b550M-Plus. Aside from the b550 being an ATX board and the b550M being Mico ATX are there any other major considerations to be aware of here?
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change my name posted:This is actually pretty much what I put together, down to the case, the only thing I'd change is upgrade to a 1660 super if you've got an extra $20. From the reviews, it looks like the Ryzen 5 3600 worked out of the box for a bunch of buyers on Newegg. Some Goon posted:There's a 0% chance it won't work out of the box, that warning was applicable at launch when most of the stock on shelves had an old bios. Alrighty then, thanks
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Protip posted:Aside from the b550 being an ATX board and the b550M being Mico ATX are there any other major considerations to be aware of here? You lose: 2x PCIe x1 slots 1x M.2 wifi slot (or shorty NVMe) 2x SATA ports DisplayPort v1.2 instead of v1.4 for some reason 1x fan port (still have 4) 1x water cooling pump header Thunderbolt 3 header You gain: 1x PS/2 port Of the above, the only part that could really matter (assume you don't have a mess of PCIe cards) would be the TB3 header: with it you can add a TB3 card for like $50. Without it you can't add TB3 at all. If you don't care about that, then you're not losing anything particularly notable.
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I wish pcpartpicker allowed sorting by SPDIF port because that's actually important to me
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DrDork posted:You lose: Thanks! I was considering the ATX version which seems like it provides more than enough for my current needs with plenty of room to grow. I still might hold off for bigger sales later this month. Between Asus, Gigabye, and MSI I saved 8 different motherboards that looked to be well rated all with flashback. All of the different options are a little overwhelming honestly after not paying attention to PC parts for so long, but I figure since I'm not planning on doing any overclocking most b550 boards will do the job.
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DrDork posted:Yeah, the play is to get the 5600X now, run it for two years, and then either upgrade to an 8/10c Warhol (if it's compatible), or jump up to the DDR5 platform in 2023/2024 or so. Going from a 5600X -> 5700/5800/5900 doesn't make a lot of sense unless you can pick them up for an appropriate discount on the used market. I've kept my 3570K for 8 years now, buying something when it's almost 2021 just to upgrade in 2023/4 seems a bit quick for me. I saw the 3700X as a good long term CPU but now I think I'm slowly convincing myself to get a 5900X and just hold onto it forever.
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pik_d posted:I've kept my 3570K for 8 years now, buying something when it's almost 2021 just to upgrade in 2023/4 seems a bit quick for me. I saw the 3700X as a good long term CPU but now I think I'm slowly convincing myself to get a 5900X and just hold onto it forever. Alternate is to get the 5600X and ride it into ~2024, at which point you could dump it on eBay for like $100-$150 and pick up a used 5900X for ~$250 and you'd still be $100 ahead. But yeah, a 12c/24t CPU with 70MB L3 should do well for a good long while. The bigger question is probably how DDR5 is going to shape up and whether that plus any feature updates (think DirectStorage type "synergy" advances of newer hardware) would effectively out-date your system regardless of CPU.
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Verviticus posted:whats the last innovation that caused systems built prior to basically be out of date overnight? I want to say multi-core but maybe there was something more recent. DrDork posted:Alternate is to get the 5600X and ride it into ~2024, at which point you could dump it on eBay for like $100-$150 and pick up a used 5900X for ~$250 and you'd still be $100 ahead. Maybe DDR5/DirectStorage/whatever will do that, but games have to be made for a wide enough range of systems that I have plenty of confidence that it wont obsolete a late 2020 system for years to come. pik_d fucked around with this message at 02:05 on Nov 5, 2020 |
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Verviticus posted:whats the last innovation that caused systems built prior to basically be out of date overnight? Overnight? Multi-core and 32b vs 64b are about the only ones I can think of, unless you want to start arguing about GPU tech transitions like the advent of hardware T&L and whatnot. But "aged very rapidly"? AGP to PCIe and HDD to SSD hit pretty hard, and >60Hz monitors basically doubled the performance targets for people when those became available. RT/RTX looks like it may end up putting a lot of systems in the "aged very rapidly" category, too. DDR5 potentially doubling bandwidth could be a Big Deal, though, if more games designed around the next-gen console's SSD bandwidth and unified VRAM architecture actually take off. But that's yet to be seen: 2024 is still 3+ years away, after all. "Obsolete" is an inexact term, anyhow. I'm sure stuff will still run, regardless of what's invented between now and then. Whether it will produce a satisfactory gaming experience compared to what is otherwise available, however, is a very open question. e; I mean the real answer is "buy what you need for now +1 year or so," same as always. Buying for what you think you'll need 6 years from now is inevitably counterproductive and wasteful. DrDork fucked around with this message at 02:11 on Nov 5, 2020 |
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Sab669 posted:Neat, got my 2060 today. I was expecting to miss the delivery and have to pick it up tomorrow You might want to keep it until the Step Up is complete to have something to game with during the process.
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Soon my pretty soon. AMD don't gently caress this up for me.
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From the AMD CPU thread: I'm going to try for a 5900X but if I don't get one I'll take it as a sign from the computer building gods and just get a 5600X.
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pik_d posted:From the AMD CPU thread: I want a 5800x I think. Overkill for my use probably but whatever.
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Duck and Cover posted:I want a 5800x I think. Overkill for my use probably but whatever. Yeah I'm absolutely gonna swerve to that tomorrow despite what I just said 2 posts up.
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just noticed that amazon has a pretty generous return policy available at the moment, i bought this 970 EVO Plus at $165 a week ago: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07MFZY2F2/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o05_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1 should i return it and just get something cheaper like the WD Blue SN550 for $105? https://www.amazon.com/Blue-SN550-1TB-NVMe-Internal/dp/B07YFFX5MD/ref=sr_1_8?dchild=1&keywords=sn550&qid=1604547604&s=electronics&sr=1-8 my PC is strictly 100% gaming
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