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Dawgstar posted:Demon in hell: "You want want OWOD video games? HAVE ALL THE OWOD VIDEO GAMES IN THE WORLD!" More
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FirstAidKite posted:Question for anyone who has gmed or played in a game of promethean, what do you even end up doing in a typical session? My Promethean campaign was highly player directed. I'd tend to try to set up some sort of background mystery (usually some alchemist is exploiting innocent people or centimanni has lost control; had a fairly long arc with spirits, had a long arc that was just mortals being capitalists), imperil something the PCs are interested in, and see what they do. My campaign group over the last 10 years has had over 50% of its campaigns be PBTA, so "the players just say what they want and it's my job to add friction" was something they were very primed for. To get a little closer to your answer, we all kind of hate WOD's combat and I wanted to run a campaign where we weren't bloodthirsty maniacs, so a lot of what the players do is brainstorm about what they've learned about their antagonists, figure out which questions they need answered, and then come up with a research plan. By 'research plan' I mean they figure out who they're going to spy on and if that's going to be social or physical spycraft. A ton of the time is eaten up by the 'pretending to be human' stuff, which tends to dovetail into the characters figuring out something about the human condition.
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Lord_Hambrose posted:I just kinda want them to release the Hunter the Reckoning game on a modern console. The first Reckoning game is backwards compatible on Xbox One. I think digital it's $15? My friend gave me his disc copy and it sure is an original Xbox game lol.
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joylessdivision posted:The first Reckoning game is backwards compatible on Xbox One. I think digital it's $15? My friend gave me his disc copy and it sure is an original Xbox game lol. Huh, good to know. This is what I get for primarily a Playstation guy.
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I Am Just a Box posted:This is what I see after clicking Account from the front page:  
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Kavak posted:More I don't understand it? Swedracula went mad after just 15 minutes!
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Just as a matter of curiosity and not at all market research on a project to twiddle my thumbs with after The Project and The Timeline are done, what Wraith setting would most interest you? Feel free to pass it along or ask for more details.
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Loomer posted:Just as a matter of curiosity and not at all market research on a project to twiddle my thumbs with after The Project and The Timeline are done, what Wraith setting would most interest you? I say Dark Ages for brand synergy but I'd like the Rome one as well. What was Stygia like when it was somewhat functional?
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Nov 2, 2020 11:08
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Kavak posted:What was Stygia like when it was somewhat functional? Horrifying! Early Stygia was a straight-up horror show that introduced three astonishingly terrible things to the underworld: Thrall torches (the roads of Stygia were lined with - and still are lined with - wraiths moliated to burn slowly and painfully until they finally expire. This wasn't a thing, at least not on any meaningful scale, until Stygia emerged), mass soulforging (also not a thing in the Western shadowlands until Charon brought Nhudri back. Initially, it was a very secretive process because it was so horrifying and to maintain a stranglehold over building material, with Charon no doubt remembering the lessons of the early iron age conquests and the strategic importance of controlling access to abundant arms), and The Tithe, where every wraith either had to offer up relics or be brutally maimed with the (permanent) loss of their eyes or their hands, which spawned the mass spectres of the first Maelstrom. Now add to this that Stygia was an extremely violent expansionist state even at that stage, piggybacking on Roman expansion (all the slain make for excellent recruits and/or weapons, afterall) and we get the picture of an exceptionally violent, secretive state ruled by a charismatic strongman that institutes hitherto unprecedented cruelty (at least in terms of scale) into the underworld. By the 400s, all this horror this is fairly well established, and Stygia is increasingly under siege from Renegades, including the pesky ghost of Spartacus. That's the canon status of it at the time, and there's obviously a lot there to expand on, both in the internal dynamics (the guilds are emerging at this point, though not under that name, for a start - and there's the Senate, the Ferrymen, and the Shining Ones all in active play in Stygian affairs as legitimate and equal participants) and in the response of Stygia to external pressure (Germanic renegades, Spartacus roaming around, the emergence of the Fishers, and conflicts with the dead of India, northern Europe, the Black Sea, etc). There's also the opportunity to do small write-ups of later 'lost' and/or conquered Dark Kingdoms, which has been kicking around in my head for a while - Amenti (it didn't disappear until later, so at this timespan it's still a going concern), the Dark Kingdoms of the Levant and Persia (ancient feuds between Israelite wraiths, anyone? Trouble with Persian wraiths who are convinced the Shadowlands are the Chinvat Bridge?), a very loose confederacy of Germanic petty death-kingdoms, and a Lasombra-crossover one in Sicily and Malta, which can collapse later on with the Diablerie of [Lasombra] but which, at the time, is an opportunity to play with ancient dead from the bronze age ([Lasombra] is linked to the invasions of the Hyksos and other Sea Peoples) who, even after death, continue to serve the Shadowed One and present a serious challenge to Stygian ambitions to push into Rome's North African interests and a buffer state with the Dark Kingdoms of Ivory. Something with the Black Sea and Crimea could also be an interesting addition - a wraithly Silk Road where the Scythian dead have a presence that far exceeds their mortal survival, creating a whole set of opportunities to explore the emergent Yellow Springs?
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Loomer posted:Horrifying! So my pre-post Horus Heresy analogy is perfect.
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As its currently in the lead, the 30 Years War one raises a question that, fortunately, has an answer: Why doesn't the horror of the conflict spawn a Great Maelstrom? Well, we could get into all sorts of tricky arguments that all falter in the face of the 1st Maelstrom spawning off Rome's fall (death toll, localized rather than global, no one event to trigger it, those all fail - unless we want to advance the argument that the First Great Maelstrom wasn't actually a Great Maelstrom at all, which is supportable from scrutinizing the known DKOJ materials), or we can just look at the preceding events: 1605 is the Third Great Maelstrom, and it takes time for the pressure to build (and in this model we can also get into some cosmic metaphysics stuff, with an exploration of the possibility that the Maelstroms are actually the catharsis of the underworld as a whole, dovetailing with how certain concepts only really appear after they 'die' in the mortal world), which enables an easy explanation of why there's no Fourth Maelstrom kicking off during the 30 Years War and leaves open the possibility of one for people who want to end their story with a divergent bang or who want a theme of terrified preparation for the War to Come by the traumatized dead.
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God, the objective God of Abraham that controls the oWoD out of spite is actually the 90s white wolf writers as a hivemind, the only reason that the 30yw isn't a great maelstrom is that god prevented it from being so, because god wasn't looking, BECAUSE the 30yw isn't readily accessible in US-american pop culture--whereas rome is retroactively (but actively, in non-linear time) made such because of god's hyperfocus on it as a romantic construct someone run the meta-campaign of a journey through lore as it developed in terms of publication order rather than final historical order, as vampire characters retroactively become elders when you hit Dark Ages publication
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If you want your gangtag you should go declare so in the gangtag thread. won by the way, because god has fled from this world.
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Nov 3, 2020 04:28
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Thank you so much to everybody who had a hand in the road to Thai Cuisine. joylessdivision for starting the ball rolling with Haighters Gonna Haight, Loomer for supporting the mystifying nature of Thai cuisine, Chernobyl Peace Prize for proposing synthesis, and above all our hardworking hero who knows graphic design well enough to screw it up on purpose, Kurieg.  I'm so happy this tag happened.
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It just goes to show you that when we put our heads together and exploit Kurieg's labor and morbid curiosity about what an abomination made real will look like, anything is possible.
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Kurieg posted:If you want your gangtag you should go declare so in the gangtag thread. I'm not sure what else you expected from goons.
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Chernobyl Peace Prize posted:It just goes to show you that when we put our heads together and exploit Kurieg's labor and morbid curiosity about what an abomination made real will look like, anything is possible. I mean this was basically a perfect storm of a lot of things, mostly a pathological eagerness to please. Also a pretty well developed sense for what looks good but no actual ability to draw that lets me kitbash together other people's raw assets into something appealing. Tsilkani posted:I'm not sure what else you expected from goons. This is what I expected.
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It's the gangtag this thread deserves: mystifying, vaguely hostile, and beautiful in its own horrible way.
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Wait, does Wraith/OWoD actually conflate the Hyksos and the Sea Peoples?
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taichara posted:Wait, does Wraith/OWoD actually conflate the Hyksos and the Sea Peoples? I'm afraid so, though it's a Vampire issue rather than a Wraith one. [Lasombra] was a god to them as Laza Omri Baras, and it treats the Hyksos in the same breath as the Sea Peoples - specifically on page 18 of Lasombra Revised: "In the second millennium B.C., the so-called "Sea Peoples" ravaged all the settled lands around the Mediterranean. The Hyksos even ruled Egypt for two successive dynasties." Unfortunately, I've repeated the conflation uncritically. In fairness, it's not my area of special knowledge - Outside of Roman legal history and philosophy and an interest in the history of the Israelite states, I have a bit of a blank spot in antiquity and skip ahead to focus more on the Germanic peoples through the Migration to the early Middle Ages, then switch to general pre-modern through early modern military, legal, and agricultural histories of technology with a few exceptions, and all this is just as a reasonably well-read lay historian and not a trained specialist outside legal history. That said, this is one of the things I love about this thread - I'm constantly looking stuff up and learning. And my instinct with any project like this is to get reasonably up to date with the current literature (or at least current-ish) before proceeding, so while I've repeated the conflation in the pitch, it'd be corrected during actual writing. EDIT: Forgot the book. 'Page 18' isn't terribly meaningful without it! Loomer fucked around with this message at 11:27 on Nov 3, 2020 |
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Loomer posted:I'm afraid so, though it's a Vampire issue rather than a Wraith one. [Lasombra] was a god to them as Laza Omri Baras, and it treats the Hyksos in the same breath as the Sea Peoples - specifically on page 18: Oh, I didn't think you added it at all -- it was a kind of reflex more than anything else. The "wait they bodged that up also, I shouldn't be surprised and yet here I am" kind of moment that OWoD prompts from me a lot. But, yeah, the Hyksos (whatever they may have called themselves, "Hyksos" is a weird iteration on "heqau-kasut", rulers of foreign lands), first attested in Egyptian records ~1900BC and ruling Lower Egypt ~1650-1550BC, were a Levantine pastoral culture. The Sea Peoples were a good number of different folks (possibly including Mycenaean Greeks) and were a factor in the early Bronze Age Collapse, say 1200-1100BC (and were repelled by Egypt, though Egypt was never quite the same afterwards). On the upside, separating the two instances gives more potential plot hooks?
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Vampire players when Magechat happens https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CEe_pRRVAsM
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I Am Just a Box posted:Thank you so much to everybody who had a hand in the road to Thai Cuisine. joylessdivision for starting the ball rolling with Haighters Gonna Haight, Loomer for supporting the mystifying nature of Thai cuisine, Chernobyl Peace Prize for proposing synthesis, and above all our hardworking hero who knows graphic design well enough to screw it up on purpose, Kurieg.  I'm so proud my stupid idea snowballed into magic. Kurieg rules.
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joylessdivision posted:
I mentioned it in the gangtag thread but.. you asked for two tags that did not win, friend.
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Kurieg posted:I mentioned it in the gangtag thread but.. you asked for two tags that did not win, friend. I see that and I appreciate it. I have made my terms known  Edit: talked to leperflesh and got it figured out. Still donating $50 to RAINN on Friday joylessdivision fucked around with this message at 18:07 on Nov 4, 2020 |
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I don't have a ton of familiarity with OWOD, aside from reading what I can about the lore on a 'I wish I was in an area with decent people to play with' basis. My significant other prefers board games or digital skinner boxes a la farmville so dice on starting one on ones. So imagine my surprise when she ordered WOD: Tokyo and WOD: Hong Kong due to researching how to build a city riven with factions and plots. Whenever she gets around to reading them it is going to be really hard to justify my interested in WW and associated products, but such is the 90s. My first thought was to supplement those with Guide to the Camarilla/Sabbat, but those aren't really focused on how the sects play off each other as opposed to how to each one operates. I imagine there have to better (and less racist. James Clavell is recommended in both books!) examples of contested urban space in OWOD/NWOD, can anyone throw out some recommendations?
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Pakxos posted:I don't have a ton of familiarity with OWOD, aside from reading what I can about the lore on a 'I wish I was in an area with decent people to play with' basis. My significant other prefers board games or digital skinner boxes a la farmville so dice on starting one on ones. So imagine my surprise when she ordered WOD: Tokyo and WOD: Hong Kong due to researching how to build a city riven with factions and plots. Whenever she gets around to reading them it is going to be really hard to justify my interested in WW and associated products, but such is the 90s. My first thought was to supplement those with Guide to the Camarilla/Sabbat, but those aren't really focused on how the sects play off each other as opposed to how to each one operates. Damnation City for VtR is exactly what you're looking for.
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We are now Thai Cuisine. Our baffling shitposts will confuse everyone for years to come. Also since the current method is giving us a three-way deadlock (voting: a nightmare in general right now), gonna repeat the poll as a preferential ranking one. Drag and drop them in the order of interest, from highest interest to least: http://www.polljunkie.com/poll/ramttk/what-wraith-x27dark-erax27-would-most-interest-you There's a new option now - The Skeletal Lord's Dance Macabre, covering the years 1317 - 1360. That lets it cover the Great European Famine, The Black Death and the Second Maelstrom, the and the immediate aftermath with the Stygian-Fisher War and the radical transformation of Stygian society. As always if you have any questions, just ask, and I'll probably rattle off some ideas as it goes on. It'll be open until December 31st and I'll probably post it a few times here and maybe over on the OPP discord, but feel free to pass it around to your groups/WoD friends. There's no guarantee the winner will actually be viable (and obviously DA:Wraith would need some massaging to keep from treading on toes...) but the intention is to begin work on it in 2021 after I wrap up The Project and while I finish the deluxe timeline, since the two will have significant overlap in spots. The timeline on it will depend on how my PhD work goes, but should be somewhere around 2022-2023 for publication, though the Frenzy of Despair and the Undying Republic might take a little longer as they'll require some substantial research above and beyond the historical research they'll all need (for one thing, TUR will involve trying to fit both classical greek and roman virtue, values, and understandings of the soul into a Wraith framework as variants on the Psyche/Shadow split (not too hard in and of itself but it'll require some crunch revisions, which is the slowest part for me), while the scope of the Frenzy of Despair extending into the major Indian and Chinese conflicts of the same period means a lot of territory I haven't looked at in detail will need to be surveyed.)
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In the midst of Bloodlines 2 and the Vampire Battle Royale I have heard absolutely nothing about this game: https://www.epicgames.com/store/en-US/product/vampire-the-masquerade-swansong/home It's by the makers of The Council which was bunch of good ideas of a choicey narrative game that completely shat the bed beyond episode 2. The general ideas and gameplay systems behind it did actually make me hope for a spiritual sequel though.
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bewilderment posted:In the midst of Bloodlines 2 and the Vampire Battle Royale I have heard absolutely nothing about this game: The idea of a unified Boston/Hartford domain is certainly something. I wonder if it's just a single domain ruling those two cities or if it's meant to be a Mega-City One scenario with the domain ruling over the area in between them as well.
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PantsOptional posted:The idea of a unified Boston/Hartford domain is certainly something. I wonder if it's just a single domain ruling those two cities or if it's meant to be a Mega-City One scenario with the domain ruling over the area in between them as well. Hope they have a map so I can see if my suburb just west of the city is part of it. Also nutmeggers and bay staters kind of hate each other or at least want to maintain separate identities, so I'm curious what angle/explanation they'll take with the unified court.
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Oh, Boston and New England in general is a total mess in terms of praxis - there's a bunch of mini-princes but they're basically pawns of the central prince, etc, but then they all die off, then the Giovanni take over, but not completely, and so on. It's very fitting to have a 'what in the gently caress is going on?' vibe around it.
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Loomer posted:Oh, Boston and New England in general is a total mess in terms of praxis - there's a bunch of mini-princes but they're basically pawns of the central prince, etc, but then they all die off, then the Giovanni take over, but not completely, and so on. It's very fitting to have a 'what in the gently caress is going on?' vibe around it. Out of curiosity, what's a good sourcebook for New England/Boston for Vampire?
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PantsOptional posted:Out of curiosity, what's a good sourcebook for New England/Boston for Vampire? Well, I wouldn't call it good but Dark Colony laid out the Triumvirate of Concord, Boston, and Providence. Giovanni Chronicles IV did the most recent update on Boston, IIRC.
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PantsOptional posted:The idea of a unified Boston/Hartford domain is certainly something. I wonder if it's just a single domain ruling those two cities or if it's meant to be a Mega-City One scenario with the domain ruling over the area in between them as well. Wait, Hartford as in Connecticut? There’s, uh, there’s several major CT and MA locations between that and Boston. Like, a lot, Like, they’re nowhere near each other. E: like the entirety of Rhode Island lies between them, basically. Mors Rattus fucked around with this message at 11:55 on Nov 5, 2020 |
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V5 related question: I was reviewing all the new vampires printed for the upcoming 5th edition of VtES and I noticed there's a bunch of princes from regions not traditionally associated with the Camarilla, for example african cities like Nairobi, Addiss Abebba or Cape town, or former Sabbat cities like Rio de Janeiro or Sao Paulo. What's going on in V5 about this exactly? Has the Camarilla expanded like a plague in the absence of the Sabbat?
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Angry Lobster posted:V5 related question: I was reviewing all the new vampires printed for the upcoming 5th edition of VtES and I noticed there's a bunch of princes from regions not traditionally associated with the Camarilla, for example african cities like Nairobi, Addiss Abebba or Cape town, or former Sabbat cities like Rio de Janeiro or Sao Paulo. Yeah it's a combo of the strategic alliance with the Ashirra and getting the Lasombra to join.
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bewilderment posted:In the midst of Bloodlines 2 and the Vampire Battle Royale I have heard absolutely nothing about this game: Is this another interactive novel or a more traditional video game?
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Soonmot posted:Is this another interactive novel or a more traditional video game? I think its the exact opposite of an interactive novel. Edit: Maybe not - the battle royale description doesn't map onto the "choices and intertwined destinies" description. Who the gently caress knows anymore.
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Dienes posted:I think its the exact opposite of an interactive novel. Apparently the gimmick they're using to stand out from the pubg crowd is semi random disciplines. Which might be what they're talking about
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