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Was Downton Abbey the kick-off for prestige TV with rich people drama like how X-Files kicked off all the mystery box plots? (Which tended to go absolutely nowhere and get hosed around by the writers and network, though the writers' strike didn't help. Also, they became movies now, see the Star Wars sequels) The big thing now is fantasy/sci-fi/superhero prestige drama with lots of murder and loving, it seems.
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Ghost Leviathan posted:Was Downton Abbey the kick-off for prestige TV with rich people drama like how X-Files kicked off all the mystery box plots? (Which tended to go absolutely nowhere and get hosed around by the writers and network, though the writers' strike didn't help. Also, they became movies now, see the Star Wars sequels) I thought Sopranos was the first prestige show. Downton Abbey aired on PBS here.
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Twin Peaks was the first good TV show but Sopranos and Oz were bigger
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hawowanlawow posted:Twin Peaks was the first good TV show but Sopranos and Oz were bigger None of them were just about rich people having problems that only rich people had, though.
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Nov 5, 2020 06:41
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The Prisoner is the progenitor of all prestige TV. It even had a finale that everyone hated (though it was brilliant.)
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Cleretic posted:None of them were just about rich people having problems that only rich people had, though. What are you talking about? Rich people get possessed by evil set dressers and murder their children basically every day.
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VanSandman posted:Scientifically engineered to produce weird assholes. Why you decided they deserved to be the upper crust is anyone's guess. Probably they'd die out if they did anything else. You have it back to front. Being rich gives people licence to do what they want, and when you get down to it the unfettered id is a colossal weird rear end in a top hat. (See: Trump, Donald J.)
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I remember one description of prestige television was 'white people murdering and loving each other'. Streaming services becoming a thing is obviously a big part of it; freed of the constraints of network television, you've got room to have high-budget serialized storytelling for adults without having to stick to a PG rating because of the timeslot.
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Solice Kirsk posted:Downton Abbey is a soap opera with a big budget. It's getting to be a real slog after season 4 though. yea, that's about when I bowed out. Loved the first few seasons though.
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Ghost Leviathan posted:
I'd credit it to DVD box sets. They made binge-watching serialised shows far easier than VHS and that early 00s era of Lost and 24 was the sweet spot of DVDs being dirt cheap and streaming not really existing. I had a flatmate with the entirety of Babylon 5 on VHS. 2 Episodes per tape. It took up the whole living room.
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bitterandtwisted posted:I'd credit it to DVD box sets. They made binge-watching serialised shows far easier than VHS and that early 00s era of Lost and 24 was the sweet spot of DVDs being dirt cheap and streaming not really existing. That's also a point, DVD box sets made serials more viable but I feel streaming kicked it into high gear.
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Nov 5, 2020 12:28
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pentyne posted:Only if you develop an irrational hatred of the British upper class. What? I don't hate the British upper class. It's just not as fun as it was when Matthew was running around with his baby blues and stupid amounts of "honor" and making everyone's life a living hell. Also Bates sucks and more and more is being focused on him and Anna and they're the worst characters on the show. She basically only exists to give him "Did he murder someone?!" plots over and over again.
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Nov 5, 2020 13:32
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Solice Kirsk posted:What? I don't hate the British upper class. It's just not as fun as it was when Matthew was running around with his baby blues and stupid amounts of "honor" and making everyone's life a living hell. Also Bates sucks and more and more is being focused on him and Anna and they're the worst characters on the show. She basically only exists to give him "Did he murder someone?!" plots over and over again. You should.
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Nov 5, 2020 13:42
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But they talk all funny.
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Nov 5, 2020 13:44
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Solice Kirsk posted:But they talk all funny. So did Göring.
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Cleretic posted:I wonder if that trend of prestige TV about terrible rich people is going to become one of those weirdly dating trends in TV, like all those shows from the mid-00s that were trying to do a puzzle box plot. That in about ten years we'll hear a synopsis and go 'okay all of these people have ridiculous amounts of money and basically no sympathetic traits, this must be from the late 2010s'. Terrible rich people has been the default topic for literature for hundreds of years, to be fair.
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Solice Kirsk posted:But they talk all funny. I agree, it's unsettling. Luckily, there's a cure for that particular affliction and it begins with a g and ends with a uillotine
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But then who will we make TV shows about? I don't think you guys are thinking this through.
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Solice Kirsk posted:But then who will we make TV shows about? I don't think you guys are thinking this through. Downton Abbey is already a historical drama.
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The Moon Monster posted:Terrible rich people has been the default topic for literature for hundreds of years, to be fair. Thousands, even.
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Barry Foster posted:I agree, it's unsettling. Luckily, there's a cure for that particular affliction and it begins with a g and ends with a uillotine The final humiliation for a Brit: being killed by something the French made.
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christmas boots posted:The final humiliation for a Brit: being killed by something the French made. They were just ripping off our Halifax Gibbet
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Nov 5, 2020 17:28
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I almost missed the soap opera talk! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E2CuhtuwV2o
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The Moon Monster posted:Terrible rich people has been the default topic for literature for hundreds of years, to be fair. I can't read this without hearing this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G19B7lTgwCE
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Ghost Leviathan posted:Was Downton Abbey the kick-off for prestige TV with rich people drama like how X-Files kicked off all the mystery box plots? (Which tended to go absolutely nowhere and get hosed around by the writers and network, though the writers' strike didn't help. Also, they became movies now, see the Star Wars sequels) Lol I'm rewatching the first season of Outlander right now and it's the epitome of all of this. With Seasons 1 and 2, you can tell they're working with books that were written in the late 80s/early 90s because they have some of the most annoying romance tropes from then (everyone's white, the main character has to be saved from rape every two seconds, the evil guy is always gay/bisexual, etc). Around season 3 they hit the books written in the 2000s and there's enough of a tone change that it basically becomes a different show.
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Ghost Leviathan posted:Was Downton Abbey the kick-off for prestige TV with rich people drama like how X-Files kicked off all the mystery box plots? (Which tended to go absolutely nowhere and get hosed around by the writers and network, though the writers' strike didn't help. Also, they became movies now, see the Star Wars sequels) No, especially if you count PBS showings. PBS began airing The Forsyte Saga in 1971, kicking off Masterpiece Theatre. They hired Alistair Cooke and began showing a lot of highbrow programs, many of them British. PBS has a very long tradition of shows about rich people. Rich people prestige TV has always been around since plays were adapted for primetime TV in the 1950s. Miniseries ruled the world for about 30 years, highly marketed and many about rich people.
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Re: rich people doing terrible rich people things being a mainstay of soap operas. It is also the mainstay of Teen dramas. The protagonists are the earnest, sweet, pretty, poor kid in a class full of rich, stylishly dressed, bitchy blonde prettier kids. And the baddies are often characterized by how rich and bitchy they are, and how they get away with doing/being terrible because of their richness.
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who could have guessed lowtax was a piece of poo poo when everybody was crowdfunding his back last year
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TBF, who reads the front page?
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I'm confused. This article seems to be horrifically transphobic, but Lowtax said he can't be transphobic because he jerks off to transsexual pornography. What a conundrum.
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christmas boots posted:TBF, who reads the front page? There's a front page?!?!
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Solice Kirsk posted:There's a front page?!?! Quoted for ban 
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Solice Kirsk posted:There's a front page?!?! It’s how you get to BarkWire.
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I mean back when Photoshop Phridays were way more active I used to enjoy following those, there's been the occasional fun article, but yeah at some point the content dried up substantially.
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Solice Kirsk posted:There's a front page?!?! 懐かしい・・・
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IshmaelZarkov posted:My favourite soap opera - complete with ridiculous characters, storylines that make little to no sense, and a writers room pressed to keep up an insane schedule - is the WWE. A ..... rope....opera? 
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The fun thing about Dark Shadows was that is shot live on videotape. They would start the tape and record for 30 minutes (with the actors standing around during the commercial breaks). Editing was extremely difficult and expensive. That's why the show was riddled with flubbed lines and questionable sets. If you saw an edit, it had to be a really severe fuckup.
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This article also aged pretty badly
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