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BEAR GRYLLZ posted:The results are telling me that Bernie would've lost. The downballot elections took a massive hit because everyone thought Bernie's "socialist" politics would drag Biden to the left and I think the electorate has shown they firmly reject this. source your quotes
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Frosted Flake posted:I’ve asked in other threads, but how do they think they are going to keep this up for a whole presidency? *shrug* worked for trump just to sit inside all day watching tv
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Serf posted:well poo poo lol i genuinely think most coastal elite liberal democrats are more right wing on economic policy than the standard republican chud tbh. red states vote to raise minimum wage, blue states vote to enslave gig workers. just the political superstructure which blocks them from really expressing it for now.
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GEMorris posted:Real life Billy Quiz-Boy eat the pennies, Harlan
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Xaris posted:ding dong. a slight repeal on rent control restrictions went down in flames like 40/60. increasing corporate property tax to current property valuation went down in flames, letting 17 year olds vote in primaries if they turn 18 by general election went down in flames, increasing dialysis clinic safety went down in flames 30/70, ending cash bail and requiring all misdemeanor-charged people must be released in 6 hrs immediately went down in flames 45/55, etc. liberals have nothing but contempt for people less fortunate than them and view supporting minorities and the poor as a means to build a winning coalition rather than a mode of governance which is why they don't ever manage to do the right thing when given the choice outside of political considerations republicans voted against criminal justice reform here but it was 60/40 and it represented us tearing down mandatory minimums and sentence enhancements in one of the wildest reforms in the country I live in loving oklahoma y'all suck on the coast
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Somehow this election's results have me feeling even less hopeful for the future than I'd feel if Trump had just outright won And that would've been close to zero already. Actually didn't think I could go lower
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BEAR GRYLLZ posted:The results are telling me that Bernie would've lost. The downballot elections took a massive hit because everyone thought Bernie's "socialist" politics would drag Biden to the left and I think the electorate has shown they firmly reject this. Beyond the meme I think it's a tough counter-factual to actually assess properly because a Bernie campaign would have had completely different messaging than a Biden campaign. Biden wasn't interested in selling socialism to the American public, so the people who tried got shafted by the upballot campaign that wasn't interested in any of that poo poo. Have Bernie going around and (hopefully not dying of Covid in the process), talking to people at town halls explaining what he wants and letting them figure out if "not going bankrupt to pay for hospital bills" is bad socialism or good socialism. Now that being said, as I said much earlier in this thread that's Bernie Unleashed. Bernie as the ideal candidate, basically. Would the Democrats even let him run that kind of campaign? I think if he did he would be successful, but who knows how the primaries would have gone even if he had won. There's also the fact that a Bernie voter bloc might be a completely different constellation of voters and voting demographics. More young people, although as we've seen for leftists in general they still don't vote in numbers that can match boomers, a heavy focus on the Latino vote, and who knows what else? Maybe African-Americans they don't want the Lion of Burlington as President and throw in more heavily for Trump, no idea. Dreylad has issued a correction as of 21:47 on Nov 5, 2020 |
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Mirthless posted:liberals have nothing but contempt for people less fortunate than them and view supporting minorities and the poor as a means to build a winning coalition rather than a mode of governance which is why they don't ever manage to do the right thing when given the choice outside of political considerations libs have the exact same hierarchical worldview chuds do. they just think they need to be polite about it.
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Office Pig posted:can you imagine this thread if trump wins i have come around to biden winning and failing miserably thus republicans winning enough state legislatures to amend the constitution as the funnier option.
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Sheng-Ji Yang posted:i genuinely think most coastal elite liberal democrats are more right wing on economic policy than the standard republican chud tbh. red states vote to raise minimum wage, blue states vote to enslave gig workers. just the political superstructure which blocks them from really expressing it for now. it's kind of like governors in blue states cracking down hardest on rioters and protesters; they can't afford to allow those parts of the country to wield anything resembling real power and upset the balance capital requires to keep the cogs moving the way they want. you can get lazier in the extraction centers of the country, but anywhere approaching the liberal centers of power require potent social conditioning to cripple bigger threats
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empty whippet box posted:It's amazing that the dems will take barely winning by a razor thin margin by running hardcore centrist and right-wing candidates as a sign that they need to get less socialist but that's what they're gonna do it’s a sign that they can be as far right as their donors want and still win.
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folks i'm telling you, joe biden eating poo poo and almost losing a sure-thing election in which florida passed a $15 minimum wage with 62% of the vote is a sign that americans... don't approve of *ernie *anders and socialism
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Maya Fey posted:https://twitter.com/ericawerner/status/1324439295847968768 lmao jfc democrats
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Sheng-Ji Yang posted:i genuinely think most coastal elite liberal democrats are more right wing on economic policy than the standard republican chud tbh. red states vote to raise minimum wage, blue states vote to enslave gig workers. and everyone under the age of 40 year here is some doughy white wisconsinite transplant from madison or milwaukee complaining about homeless as they code on the facebook bus. that said you can usually convince marin libs to vote for most anything that says "INCREASE SCHOOL FUNDING" on the title except apparently prop 15 loving lmao
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Harrow posted:Somehow this election's results have me feeling even less hopeful for the future than I'd feel if Trump had just outright won I am feeling hopeful for the future in that at least maybe I will still be able to get health insurance in a few months which was something I was very worried about for the last... *checks notes* ...four years exactly euphemism posted:libs have the exact same hierarchical worldview chuds do. they just think they need to be polite about it. yep the real reason they want decorum back so bad is so that they can go back to agreeing with republicans on what they should do with all these superpredators
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Harrow posted:Somehow this election's results have me feeling even less hopeful for the future than I'd feel if Trump had just outright won it's not like our laughter was without reason bro 30/70 odds i'd give it
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euphemism posted:libs have the exact same hierarchical worldview chuds do. they just think they need to be polite about it. quote:I'm totally convinced both american liberalism and american conservatism are exactly the same in terms of a foundational white supremacy that underlines both. the white viewpoint is the only valid one and non-white viewpoints don't exist because nonwhite (especially black) people are weird nonhuman entities that are fundamentally capital-O Others. If you're a liberal these others have no agency or independence and don't really do anything besides be a passive receptacle for abuse and oppression, and it's your job to infantilize and protect them and Uphold Their Voices (tm) in a way that doesn't do anything except redound to your status as a good ally and good liberal. with conservatives it's much more straightforward because then you just see these Others as demoniac engines of destruction that you (and your surrogates, the police) have to dismantle and repress. In either view nonwhite people are fundamentally incomprehensible, if you admit they have any kind of internal self at all, which I think explains the perspective of both the cops and of the lib "allies"
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BEAR GRYLLZ posted:The election results point to a sound rejection of what Americans culturally identify with as socialism. ill be god damned
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Harrow posted:Somehow this election's results have me feeling even less hopeful for the future than I'd feel if Trump had just outright won this is what I’ve been saying in the long term, the consequences are loving dire
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https://twitter.com/BNODesk/status/1324452299910062080?s=20 Jesus what a shitshow
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BEAR GRYLLZ posted:folks i'm telling you, joe biden eating poo poo and almost losing a sure-thing election in which florida passed a $15 minimum wage with 62% of the vote is a sign that americans... don't approve of *ernie *anders and socialism it is difficult to get a person to understand something when their salary etc etc
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Deceptive Thinker posted:I'm of the opinion that when you present the policy to someone, they are for it. But you call it by a poison word and they are against it The opposition party is going to call you socialist no matter what so who cares
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Judakel posted:i have come around to biden winning and failing miserably thus republicans winning enough state legislatures to amend the constitution as the funnier option. They can call a constitutional convention with 2/3rd but they need 3/4ths of state legislatures to ratify so they won’t actually be able to change anything, which is unfortunate, because the constitution is absolutely garbage and the quickest way to throwing the whole thing out and starting over is if conservatives manage to gently caress it up beyond repair.
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YOLOsubmarine posted:They can call a constitutional convention with 2/3rd but they need 3/4ths of state legislatures to ratify so they won’t actually be able to change anything, which is unfortunate, because the constitution is absolutely garbage and the quickest way to throwing the whole thing out and starting over is if conservatives manage to gently caress it up beyond repair. they will
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lol d&d totally convinced socialism is what sank Joe lol
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Bearjew posted:Bernie would have won
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shyduck posted:https://twitter.com/karolisr/status/1324362355099291648?s=21 lol
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Bearjew posted:Bernie would have won
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GEMorris posted:Real life Billy Quiz-Boy eat the pennies quiz boy
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Martman posted:Jeb won
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Nonsense posted:at least you give children healthcare gently caress the children kids don't loving need health insurance my spine looks like the cool S from my elementary school binder and until 2010 that was a reason to not let you see a doctor until you die
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Biden needed days to cool off after every debate. He declined noticeably during the campaign. Hiding Kennedy’s bad back or FDR’s wheelchair is really nothing in comparison. He’s going to start asking where he is during inauguration and talking about Corn Pop at the state of the union. Serious question: Do liberals even half believe “it’s just a stutter”?
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