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Angry Salami posted:The original Enterprise threatened to glass a planet in "A Taste of Armageddon" - the Constitution class was generally presented as more than a match for anything it went up against. Thats a good point. I guess it also kind of lines up with Archer recognizing that they might need a bit more firepower if only for the sake of self-defense. Another thing that kinda makes it feel funny - in the mirror Ent, they say the constitution class is supposed to be manned by hundreds (and they are something like 40) - but it really doesn't look the part, particularly compared to the NX, but I guess that kinda goes with remaining faithful to the original appearance rather then trying to spruce it up to match the style of ENT/the NX. e: after doing some wiking, I didn't realize that it was actually calling back to something that came up in ToS. (The Defiant disappearing due to the Tholians) Neat. Oxyclean fucked around with this message at 15:11 on Nov 5, 2020 |
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justice for tuvix https://twitter.com/AOC/status/1324199525666430977?s=20
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Nov 5, 2020 15:57
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Crusader posted:justice for tuvix
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Nov 5, 2020 16:14
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Janeway did nothing wrong. I mean, just look at Tuvix.
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Nov 5, 2020 16:22
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The only thing Janeway did wrong was rematerialise Kneelix and not scatter his atoms across the Delta Quadrant.
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Nov 5, 2020 16:30
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I feel like I have a high tolerance of characters other people hate. Or at least, I feel like Neelix is not the first time I've found myself not sharing others visceral annoyance. Also, I feel like he has something approaching an arc/character growth, which is more then can be said about everyone but The Doctor and Seven.
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Nov 5, 2020 18:26
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How could you say that about Harry Kim who *checks notes*....dies and gets space chlamydia?
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Nov 5, 2020 18:34
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I loved Neelix when I was 12. I have not revisited the show since, but I'm sure kid me who also liked Jar Jar Binks had great taste that has aged well.
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Nov 5, 2020 18:40
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Janeway aborted Tuvix, change my mind.
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Nov 5, 2020 18:45
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How did fans react to Neelix when the show was airing? I find him extremely annoying now, but he feels like a very 90s TV character.
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Nov 5, 2020 19:18
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Lester Shy posted:How did fans react to Neelix when the show was airing? I find him extremely annoying now, but he feels like a very 90s TV character. No one ever liked Neelix.
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Nov 5, 2020 19:42
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Neelix had fans but he was billed as this fun scoundrel character who would bring something new to Star Trek in previews and they certainly delivered on one of those promises! the something new is creepy possessive pedophilia.
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Nov 5, 2020 19:43
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I'm ploughing through episodes of Enterprise (because I'm desperate at this point due to The Event). I know the ragging on the theme music is a cliche, but having just seen Extinction (an absolute lemon of an episode, as in "I'm fairly sure I saw this in an episode of Space: 1999" bad), Jesus, the whiplash Man is brutally flamethrowered to death "It's been a loooong rooooad..."
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Nov 5, 2020 19:50
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Tuvix was one among over a hundred times that a new persona took over the bodies of Starfleet crewmates only to be eliminated by the end of the episode to restore the originals. It's a very common episode plot.
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Nov 5, 2020 20:06
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Two Owls posted:I'm ploughing through episodes of Enterprise (because I'm desperate at this point due to The Event). I know the ragging on the theme music is a cliche, but having just seen Extinction (an absolute lemon of an episode, as in "I'm fairly sure I saw this in an episode of Space: 1999" bad), Jesus, the whiplash Fun fact, that’s the episode Levar Burton went to Berman over to tell him he was embarrassed to direct it. It’s easily in the bottom 5 of Enterprise. The rest of season 3 is pretty drat good.
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Nov 5, 2020 20:08
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The crucial part of Tuvix that people haven't considered is the opinions of the people involved. We all know that Tuvok deeply, desperately, wants Neelix to die, and Neelix's continued existence threatens his mental health. And look at Neelix  That's not the face of someone who thinks his continued existence contributes positively to the universe. He got on Voyager to try to escape his life, only to find that his biggest - and only - true problem was himself. Given the choice, both of them would vote for Neelix's continued nonexistence. Tuvix is, obviously, in favor of his continued existence. So it's a 3-0 vote to keep him around.
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Nov 5, 2020 20:57
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Don’t forget the episode where Neelix died briefly and didn’t end up in the afterlife like he was promised so he got suicidal
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Nov 5, 2020 21:11
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Every episode should have ended with a scene of Neelix quietly sobbing himself to sleep as the credits started to roll
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Nov 5, 2020 21:12
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HD DAD posted:Every episode should have ended with a scene of Neelix quietly sobbing himself to sleep as the credits started to roll How about a holodeck scene where Neelix is brutally murdered for 40 minutes but it’s revealed that the crew had a brain worm infection but the doctor cured it and everything goes back to normal.
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Nov 5, 2020 21:24
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Tunicate posted:The crucial part of Tuvix that people haven't considered is the opinions of the people involved. I just hate every single decision that went into designing Neelix’s stupid loving face. He looks like someone hit Randomize on the character generator and all the worst choices came up.
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Nov 5, 2020 21:31
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My girlfriend kept saying he looks like he should be on the muppets, and not Star Trek. ...wait, does this mean Neelix should have been on Farscape? 
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Nov 5, 2020 21:41
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One of the problems with Neelix was the edict from higher up that Starfleet cast could not show emotions - this meant that Neelix got over-exaggerated, while Janeway could not shed a tear at an emotional moment.
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Nov 5, 2020 21:45
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Crusader posted:justice for tuvix https://twitter.com/TheKateMulgrew/status/1324216726754643969
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Nov 5, 2020 22:29
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Kate Mulgrew is the Greatest Of All Time. Fuckin' legend.
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Nov 5, 2020 22:56
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Every bad decision made with Neelix was doubled-down on with Phlox. "You didn't like our creepy, annoying, bag-of-random-Westmore-prosthetics-flung-at-a-wall alien paedophile? Well gently caress you, here comes our new and improved creepy, annoying, bag-of-random-Westmore-prosthetics-flung-at-a-wall alien Mengele!"
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Nov 5, 2020 23:06
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No way, Phlox is a way better design. He doesn’t have a rat tail or muttonchops or a dick nose or giant bruised scabs for temples. He’s also a far better character. Neelix is annoying as poo poo at the best of times, creepy and possessive at the worst.
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Nov 5, 2020 23:09
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Phlox is also down with you banging any one of his adult wives, he's a little genocidey sometimes but he's cool
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Nov 5, 2020 23:10
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Tuvix is a good episode. Janeway is right that tuvok and neelix needed to have a say in their continued existence or nonexistence. But she's still a murderer and the rest of the command staff are co-conspirators. Tunicate presents a compelling argument for the restoration of Tuvix.
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Nov 5, 2020 23:14
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Tunicate posted:The crucial part of Tuvix that people haven't considered is the opinions of the people involved. Exactly. Scattering his atoms across the galaxy would've been a mercy.
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Nov 5, 2020 23:15
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Phlox lives in the house on the cul-de-sac that always has tons of cars parked outside it
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Maybe some day we'll have some kind of directive to determine whether or not what phlox did was bad or not. But I don't blame him for suddenly realizing curing these aliens was going to result in thousands of years of subservience for another species of aliens and simultaneously reckoning with the fact that he should even loving be there and none of these aliens should even know he exists.
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Neelix wants to be your best friend and will never loving leave you alone trying to convince you to like him. Phlox thinks of you like a lab animal he gets to perform interesting experiments upon because how the hell would you know if he's doing something genuine or just amusing himself. (And then there's the genocide. Seriously, Mirror Phlox is probably jealous of what Prime Phlox achieved. He sentenced an entire race to death and told his captain to get hosed!)
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Nov 5, 2020 23:29
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If the TNG Enterprise crew had a Tuvix accident they would have figured out how to split the positronic mediator in the transporter to separate the two crew members without killing Tuvix. Like that other Riker who is just hanging out now.
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Nov 5, 2020 23:49
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Tuvok and Neelix didn't have a say in the matter because they had recently died in a transporter accident.
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Phlox is only terrible in one or two episodes which, granted, stick out quite a bit and deserve their reputation. But Neelix is terrible in every episode.
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Phlox has occasional wildly creepy moments that come out of nowhere. Like that one time he just casually starts telling Tucker about how much he likes the smell of a specific female ensign’s sweat and Tucker is just trying to eat
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Trip has several of those wonderful “what the gently caress, I don’t wanna be a part of this” moments throughout the series. 
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HD DAD posted:Trip has several of those wonderful “what the gently caress, I don’t wanna be a part of this” moments throughout the series. Wasn't he basically shangheid by Archer?
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sunday at work posted:Tuvok and Neelix didn't have a say in the matter because they had recently died in a transporter accident. A key trait of death is permanence. They were reconstituted from Tuvix's parts and had all of their memories and physical shape restored. They were not dead. They were SOMETHING WEIRD, but they weren't All Dead.
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