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I mean I can understand why people used to think it was a good way to discipline kids. It does work in the short term, a beating is a pretty loving good deterrent to doing bad things for the most part... but studies show that it can be pretty terrible for long term mental health and yeah, we should have progressed past it at this point. E: Kitty https://twitter.com/WhatEvil/status/1324449380146073600?s=20
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Beefeater1980 posted:Magical thinking is only made stronger by being proved wrong. I remember someone having done research into the belief in magical rituals making people bulletproof during conflicts in IIRC Nigeria. If there was ever a belief you’d think would be disproved extremely fast it’s that one, but apparently when people claiming to be bulletproof got got the belief not only persisted but was strengthened. Selection bias. If you survive being shot after the bulletproofing magic, then of course the ritual stopped you from dying. If you die...
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Guavanaut posted:Some of the things in that Otherlaw seem to be things with actual historical precedent just woefully (or willfully) misinterpreted. This is still a thing, because I did it when someone threatened to enforce a 10p debt against one of my clients.
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Regarding smacking kids, I assumed most of the people against the ban would be older and perhaps not likely to actually much access to smackable children anyway but that study from 5 years ago reckons up to 80% of UK parents still use smacking so I guess thats wrong. I do think its probably unnecessary in that there already exist means to punish parents who hurt their children but I suppose its just about pushing the window on it fully one way to reduce that 80% figure. It is a risk to allow more state/police interference into people's lives as I'm sure most in this thread would agree it is open to being misapplied. For instance the wording seems to include "forcing children to stay in uncomfortable positions". Well if a kid dosent want to do something, like sit in the car, stay in their room or go to school pretty much anything could quickly become an uncomfortable position.
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WhatEvil posted:I mean I can understand why people used to think it was a good way to discipline kids. It does work in the short term, a beating is a pretty loving good deterrent to doing bad things for the most part... but studies show that it can be pretty terrible for long term mental health and yeah, we should have progressed past it at this point. I love how whenever cats are doing ridiculous things it's always accompanied with a look that says "What? This is how you drink water. It's not my fault that you do it wrong".
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-54840747quote:Boris Johnson: 'Deal to be done' on post-Brexit EU trade Look who's suddenly in a much more conciliatory mood. I wonder what could possibly have caused this?
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When I taught in Korea it was normal to get kids to hold a wall squat position as a form of discipline. In my head it means things like that.
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a pipe smoking dog posted:This is still a thing, because I did it when someone threatened to enforce a 10p debt against one of my clients. Happy October Revolution day and remember to brush your teeth. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bw7ZZokxV-w
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It's a UN definition, and requires intent, so forcing them into a car seat wouldn't qualify just because the kid doesn't want to, it's meant for stuff like the Korea example above
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Sad Panda posted:When I taught in Korea it was normal to get kids to hold a wall squat position as a form of discipline. In my head it means things like that. In India (Late 80s) we were generally made to kneel as a punishment. Only in Primary school though, can't remember it being done in Secondary
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Sad Panda posted:When I taught in Korea it was normal to get kids to hold a wall squat position as a form of discipline. In my head it means things like that. We had to do this in PE as a punishment if we gobbed off. Lot of lads with shaky knees watching everyone play football in a room with every sport pitch marking painted on the floor.
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the children need for to be beaten and sent up the chimneys to work and of an evening learn the tables of numbers for to learn them their place in t' the world and please the lord 
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0-3 - Beatings (receiving) 4-9 - Chimney sweeping 10-14 - Bible study 15-30 - Doing wars 31-40 - Prison 41-50 - Beatings (giving) 51-60 - Plotting wars 61-Death - Bible study The life cycle of the Anglo Protestant
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Gotta love petty Tory infighting over totally stupid poo poo.
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Jose posted:when you definitely care about bigotry Also, why is Bradshaw claiming it's defamatory when he's not accused of making the remark or laughing at them? Unless, of course, Bradshaw knows full well that it's true because he was there when the remark was made and this is his knee-jerk response to the implication that he's a hypocritical oval office.
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One of Ian Dunt's mates was patched out of Watch Dogs for being a transphobe and he's really upset lol https://twitter.com/IanDunt/status/1325030492681494528?s=19
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It's good because Helen Lewis is exporting her transphobic views to the us now so all stuff like this helps
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As ever you can express them by yelling them in the street same as everyone else, doesn't mean you're entitled to anything else.
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I dunno, having transphobic radio hosts does seem to fit the vibe of dystopican hellhole London they are going for.
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Party Boat posted:One of Ian Dunt's mates was patched out of Watch Dogs for being a transphobe and he's really upset lol
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Guavanaut posted:Ian Dunt going on redord to say that he's indensed.  what a hill to die on. “I’m so mad my transphobic friend is facing repercussions for being transphobic, wtf pc cancel culture”
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OwlFancier posted:As ever you can express them by yelling them in the street same as everyone else, doesn't mean you're entitled to anything else. I think you'll find free speech actually means I have the incontrovertible right to prominence on every platform of communication.
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She literally wrote an article titled "men can't just decide to be women" and there's still fuckwits in the comments doing the "oh I see you hate women's rights, show me on this doll where she denied Trans identity" bit. Didn't we have a portion of the removed podcast posted in this thread a bit ago?
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mediaphage posted:what a hill to die on. “I’m so mad my transphobic friend is facing repercussions for being transphobic, wtf pc cancel culture” Trans and non-binary people exist. There are scientific theories as to why, but that's a bit close to transmedicalism. There are social theories why, but that's a bit close to 'gender critical'. If your 'debate' doesn't account for that, then to me (a rationalist technical brother  ) you sound barely different to the people claiming hot lemon juice cures cancer (and far worse to trans people).There are debates about sports and prisons and maximizing safety for everyone that need to involve trans and NB voices at the table, but if you start off with positions like Mr Phillby posted:an article titled "men can't just decide to be women" It just needs to stop being considered a credible point of debate.
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Party Boat posted:One of Ian Dunt's mates was patched out of Watch Dogs for being a transphobe and he's really upset lol Helen Lewis is probably the most prominent voice as far as the utterly toxic attitude in the British liberal press towards trans folk. She's a bigot & Ian Dunt can get hosed. Mind you, I'd also say gently caress you to Ubisoft for not doing their due diligence before hand. Lewis still got paid so this is loving pointless.
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I'm not linking the Mail but they have started digging up old pics of Biden with Gerry Adams and IRA fugitives.
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I can't say I am particularly upset by people smearing poo poo all over themselves and claiming their opponent leaving the room means they are winning the debate, because that is about as much respect as I have for the idea of "debates". Mostly I just wish people would hurry up and realise it's just the middle class version of trump saying he's a very big stable genius. Just because you phrase your opinions differently doesn't make you less of a clod.Lungboy posted:I'm not linking the Mail but they have started digging up old pics of Biden with Gerry Adams and IRA fugitives. drat that's going to make him very unpopular in the US.
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OwlFancier posted:drat that's going to make him very unpopular in the US. I'm assuming it's to discredit him with regards to any perceived interference in the Brexit negotiations. Which will be finished by the time he takes over. So it's just them being shits as usual. E: of course the UK - US trade deal is still to sort, so it'll be to gently caress with that.
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Lungboy posted:I'm not linking the Mail but they have started digging up old pics of Biden with Gerry Adams and IRA fugitives. Bad look for Gerry, he has a history of hanging out with sexual predators, and this one isn't even related to him
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It's a pity that Stinky Pete, One armed Willie, Helen no hands, One tooth Terry, and the rest of the gang died. Do you remember when Barry's skin got caught in the thresher, and ZIIIIIIIIIP it all came off in one go! My how we laughed. He definitely learned a life lesson that day.
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ThomasPaine posted:I have a weird feeling that association with the 'ra could probably be spun as a positive quite easily in the states as well it should be Most definitely, that's why those photos exist in the first place.
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The tweet cuts off the part of the pic that shows the article was sponsored by the Bill and Melinda Gates foundation which I think is what really pushes the whole thing over the edge That foundation really loving loathes Africans for "some reason" They need to have less kids and the ones they do have need to work in the factory
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WhatEvil posted:I mean I can understand why people used to think it was a good way to discipline kids. It does work in the short term, a beating is a pretty loving good deterrent to doing bad things for the most part... but studies show that it can be pretty terrible for long term mental health and yeah, we should have progressed past it at this point. It can reinforce other punishments, but on it's own smacking is a really poo poo way of stopping a kid doing something. Especially when you see whipcrack mams who bean their kid across the back of the head and then turn back to whatever they were doing with no explanation. Three main reasons it's poo poo: 1) In isolation, it leaves it for the child to associate the pain with something. So if a kid who picks up a bag of flour in the shops gets hit because the mum wants to stop them picking things up, the child might then thing 'oh poo poo, flour is bad' and then pick up a bag of something else. They will eventually work out what it is that they shouldn't be doing, but during the brain's formative years, this constant fear / negativity reinforcement can have incredibly negative consequences in underlying thought patterns. 2) Children learn from what their parents do, not what they say. A child who sees their parents lash out when someone isn't doing what they want learns that you lash out at people who aren't doing what you want. 3) Trauma is the process of associating something with severe negative consequences. To a child who has never experienced the real negatives of the world, pain is the worst thing they can imagine. Smacking parents know this, they often justify it by saying 'it works.' They know it has this negative effect but they have a bizarre cognitive dissonance where it's also 'not that bad' and 'never did me any harm:'  Once the child begins to get language and reasoning skills (which as things like baby sign language now show is MUCH earlier than we thought), there's no excuse for it. E: 4th reason - growing up with someone who tells you they love you, and they only hit you for your own good, and it's because they care, is obviously not a good justification to pass on to the next generation. Bobby Deluxe fucked around with this message at 15:19 on Nov 7, 2020 |
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