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repiv posted:AFAIK you can always recover from a bad flash on boards with USB flashback, the flashback feature runs on its own little microcontroller independent of the main system so it doesn't matter if the main system is in a bootable state Yeah this. But it's still minimal feedback. I helped my buddy flashback his B450 board and it didn't like my old-rear end 16gb drive, but it took his 512Mb (no idea where he got it) drive. Like, it's not worth $/£10, but when that's 0.5% of the system cost, eh.
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Once I had the right bios, it was super easy. You literally plug it in and push one button then wait for a light to stop blinking. The one thing that happened for me is trying to remove the flash drive and hitting the button again on accident while it was still connected to power. Just unplug power before removing the usb, that's my only tip.
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repiv posted:AFAIK you can always recover from a bad flash on boards with USB flashback, the flashback feature runs on its own little microcontroller independent of the main system so it doesn't matter if the main system is in a bootable state Even so, if you have to re-do it you basically have to pull the whole system apart since most of bios flashback features require no CPU and ram installed, and on top of that if it's a brand new build you can't say for sure whether the problem is the bios or another component is bad - it's another thing to troubleshoot.
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Any word on what the optimal RAM speed is for Zen 3? A quick Google search showed me a bunch of pre-launch speculation.
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Der8auer posted a video but it's German so I'm not sure what the conclusion was...
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repiv posted:AFAIK you can always recover from a bad flash on boards with USB flashback, the flashback feature runs on its own little microcontroller independent of the main system so it doesn't matter if the main system is in a bootable state I couldn't just now actually, mobo was completely bricked not even the store I bought it at, which is GREAT at tech support, could get it working. They gave me a new mobo with the bios already flashed and only charged the price difference because they didn't have the one bought first in stock and I am now posting on my brand new computer woo! Those were a few frustrating and panicked hours though...
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teraflame posted:Would the 5000 cpu supply stabilize by January? Tired of all this new tech coming out that’s impossible to buy. Evil Lisa Su will make nerds leave the basements for months for buying high demand out of stock parts.
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funkmeister posted:I'd pop a tenner to just not have to gently caress with it. Yeah I was also thinking this, on the offchance there's something wrong with the MoBo if I've flashed it they could turn around and try to put it on me (and I wouldn't even be sure if they were right or wrong), whereas if they've done it that isn't an option. The task itself isn't worth a tenner, and I know I could easily do it with 99% chance nothing will go wrong, but the piece of mind when I'm dealing with equipment that is relatively expensive, for me, is worth it. Cactus fucked around with this message at 23:00 on Nov 7, 2020 |
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Who’s the foundry for all the new AMD chips?
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TSMC of course my good sir
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:Any word on what the optimal RAM speed is for Zen 3? A quick Google search showed me a bunch of pre-launch speculation. 4000mhz CL15 is what you want to get that sweet sweet 1:1 dram/IF ratio
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:Any word on what the optimal RAM speed is for Zen 3? A quick Google search showed me a bunch of pre-launch speculation. 
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I haven't hosed around with my memory aside from enabling XMP. My impression is that since I'm comfortably at 3200mhz with memory rated for 3200mhz at CL16 that any gains I would get from monkeying with it would be minimal. Is that a fair assessment?
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CaptainSarcastic posted:I haven't hosed around with my memory aside from enabling XMP. My impression is that since I'm comfortably at 3200mhz with memory rated for 3200mhz at CL16 that any gains I would get from monkeying with it would be minimal. Is that a fair assessment? it can be quite straight forward depending on the ram you have, make use of this as well https://www.techpowerup.com/download/ryzen-dram-calculator/
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CaptainSarcastic posted:I haven't hosed around with my memory aside from enabling XMP. My impression is that since I'm comfortably at 3200mhz with memory rated for 3200mhz at CL16 that any gains I would get from monkeying with it would be minimal. Is that a fair assessment? If you can push it to 3600@CL16, or 3200@CL14, you can gain ~5% performance in some workloads. It's unlikely you'll be able to push it too much higher than that, but it's worth poking at if you've got an hour to spare one afternoon.
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Pro tip for RAM over locking: put your reset switch on the clear CMOS jumper. You still need to completely power off but it saves so much time if you get too greedy.
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hobbesmaster posted:Pro tip for RAM over locking: put your reset switch on the clear CMOS jumper. You still need to completely power off but it saves so much time if you get too greedy. Brah, you need a mobo with a CMOS button.
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It’s a strangely rare feature these days
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Apparently Zen 3 is just all kinds of black magic. Tech Jesus says their testing shows up to 10% improvement running 4x8gb over 2x8gb memory. https://youtu.be/-UkGu6A-6sQ
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Zen 2 had kind of the same thing but not as pronounced, you want four ranks total so 4x8 or 2x16.
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SwissArmyDruid posted:Apparently Zen 3 is just all kinds of black magic. Tech Jesus says their testing shows up to 10% improvement running 4x8gb over 2x8gb memory. That's not really specific to Zen 3: https://www.techspot.com/article/1971-more-ram-modules-better-for-gaming/ The arguments over 2 vs 4 sticks of RAM are probably going to go on forever, but it seems like the conventional wisdom of preferring 2 sticks over 4 hasn't been really accurate for quite a while.
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SwissArmyDruid posted:Apparently Zen 3 is just all kinds of black magic. Tech Jesus says their testing shows up to 10% improvement running 4x8gb over 2x8gb memory. 10% seems huge though. I don't recall the difference being that large previously. Khorne fucked around with this message at 06:32 on Nov 8, 2020 |
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See single vs dual rank DIMMs. I don't think 16 GB sticks can even exist as single rank so 4x8 is alright but 4x16 can be alot more difficult.
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Ram sales are going to explode as every nerd immediately justifies 4 sticks.
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spunkshui posted:Ram sales are going to explode as every nerd immediately justifies 4 sticks. I was running 4 sticks before it was cool. 
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I had some trouble finding the right combination of low profile sticks and CPU cooler that fit. And even though I did, it's a very tight match. I guess it's a lot easier if you can leave slot1 empty
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I am mildly annoyed and chagrined. I finally got around to getting a better CPU cooler than the stock Wraith Spire, and just spent some time with my machine torn apart to install it. The last spring-loaded screw to mount to the motherboard just wouldn't take, no matter how much I tried to jimmy or force it. Finally I undid the other screws, and found that the drat screw had broken off in the standoff. No way to fix that, so I guess I'm going to have to return the loving thing. Maybe I'll see about getting a better cooler this time - this was your basic Cooler Master Hyper 212, so nothing special. Anyway, I put the Wraith Spire back on with fresh thermal paste, put the machine back together, and figure I'll run a bench to see how things are working (I did upgrade a case fan while I was in there). The bench comes back super low, which worries me. I check the temps and run the bench again, and I'm spiking up to 90c. gently caress. Then I take a closer look, and realize I forgot to plug the CPU fan back in.  Plugged it back in, run the benchmark again, and it's normal and better than the one I did before swapping the case fan and repasting the CPU. It does make me think if I actually get a better heatsink that I should see better performance - I got a bit of a lift just from repasting and having a better case fan.
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SwissArmyDruid posted:Apparently Zen 3 is just all kinds of black magic. Tech Jesus says their testing shows up to 10% improvement running 4x8gb over 2x8gb memory. Sucks for my ITX build! e: Oh wait I have 2x16, nvm.
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Currently got 2x8 of this kit for my new build with one of the new zens. https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B07D1XCKWW/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_fabc_1f9PFbV670NCG?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1 Am I to understand it would be worth buying another set to make it 4x8 and bump up the clocks to 3600 if I'm in the mood to spend another £70?
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SwissArmyDruid posted:Apparently Zen 3 is just all kinds of black magic. Tech Jesus says their testing shows up to 10% improvement running 4x8gb over 2x8gb memory. Sadly, all their original tests used 4 sticks, so the reality is most people will see lower performance than the GN figures.
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hobbesmaster posted:It’s a strangely rare feature these days you can install a button on the cmos jumper. as easy as jumping and like $5
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SwissArmyDruid posted:Apparently Zen 3 is just all kinds of black magic. Tech Jesus says their testing shows up to 10% improvement running 4x8gb over 2x8gb memory. Certainly an interesting result, albeit, this was done on Single Rank and Dual Rank already generally had a slight performance gain on Zen 2. Anyone with 2x16 is already certainly using Dual Rank ram. It's not clear if 4x16 DR would be better than 2x16 DR, or 2x16 DR vs 4x8 SR. I guess it'd also be useful to know how stable you can push a frequency with tigher timings one way or another, because that does matter a lot too still favoring 2x16 DR vs 4x8 SR if the former can be pushed higher than the latter.
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I'm too dumb to know anything about optimizing RAM. Does this mean 4x8 will be better than 2x16 on Zen 3 or is it unclear or...?
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So is 4 x 16 or 4 x 32 slower then for apps that don't need the extra ram?
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I just bought a 5600x and need to know if now I should get 4x4gb or 2x8gb please tell me.
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Ika posted:So is 4 x 16 or 4 x 32 slower then for apps that don't need the extra ram? In terms of what's possible, 32gb sticks don't get as good timings as the smaller sticks. If you aren't competitively overclocking and are just using your computer then 4x16 can get nearly identical performance to 4x8 in real world use cases. Otakufag posted:I just bought a 5600x and need to know if now I should get 4x4gb or 2x8gb please tell me. If you want maximum performance and won't upgrade your RAM in the future then 4x4 is better. Techspot did a review earlier this year. I wouldn't expect zen3 to have a larger difference than the Intel CPUs in that review. Khorne fucked around with this message at 16:16 on Nov 8, 2020 |
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Otakufag posted:I just bought a 5600x and need to know if now I should get 4x4gb or 2x8gb please tell me. Get 2x8 so you can upgrade in a couple years when something needs more? The percentage gain for most things is tiny.
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Otakufag posted:I just bought a 5600x and need to know if now I should get 4x4gb or 2x8gb please tell me. Get a mobo with 8 ram slots and go 8 x 4 gb
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