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Who will you vote for in 2020? This poll is closed. |
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| Biden |
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425 | 18.06% |
| Trump |
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105 | 4.46% |
| whoever the Green Party runs |
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307 | 13.05% |
| GOOGLE RON PAUL |
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151 | 6.42% |
| Bernie Sanders |
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346 | 14.70% |
| Stalin |
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246 | 10.45% |
| Satan |
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300 | 12.75% |
| Nobody |
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202 | 8.58% |
| Jess Scarane |
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110 | 4.67% |
| mystery man Brian Carroll of the American Solidarity Party |
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61 | 2.59% |
| Dick Nixon |
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100 | 4.25% |
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Timeless Appeal posted:We talking unlimited mimosas though or what one time i found truly unlimited mimosas. they let us drink through three shifts and leave with to-go cups because we had a wedding to get to. i consider it one of the greatest days of my life.
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I used to live near the holy grail of brunches. $8 including all you can drink mimosas or screwdrivers. Once you were done eating you could move to the bar area and drink all day/night. That was almost as good as the bar that had $1 all you can drink beer and all you can eat hot dogs.
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Nov 8, 2020 18:22
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Timeless Appeal posted:We talking unlimited mimosas though or what We talking about a poland springs bottle full of vodka that you pour into your diner oj. Mimosas are bougesie lies. The Proletariat drinks screwdrivers.
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Nov 8, 2020 18:24
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Timeless Appeal posted:But like seriously, before this thread eventually closes, do ya'll really not like brunch? My brain is permanently on a combination of fuckery from "work night shifts in restaurants for several years" + "that time the pain meds from post knee surgery made me sleep all day and stay up all night" so from time to time I used to loving love getting cheap brunch or even expensive brunch before work because I wasnt up before 11.
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Nov 8, 2020 18:28
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Cpt_Obvious posted:I've been thinking through a lot of this electoral stuff, and I've think I've come to a decent conclusion as to how the DSA can continue "infiltrating" the Democratic party and subverting its goals towards public good. It would necessarily require primarying major Democratic establishment players, and I think AOC's ousting of Crowley is a good blueprint for that. This is a great post and I'd love to see a "The progressive caucus and the war against centrism" thread now that the election is all over but the shouting and this thread is in its final days.
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Nov 8, 2020 18:33
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Halloween Jack posted:Does breakfast become brunch if I'm drunk? But also, I am totally fine with cheap drunk breakfasts that can also involve a hamburger at 10:30 AM being renamed Brunk, and the stuff ya'll are trying to evoke being called Brunch. I think that's a fair compromise. Cpt_Obvious posted:We talking about a poland springs bottle full of vodka that you pour into your diner oj. Timeless Appeal fucked around with this message at 19:18 on Nov 8, 2020 |
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Nov 8, 2020 18:34
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Timeless Appeal posted:a hamburger at 10:30 AM It’s the weekend, why are you up so early? Unless you’re still awake from the night before, then 
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Nov 8, 2020 18:40
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Snowy posted:It’s the weekend, why are you up so early?
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Nov 8, 2020 18:52
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Timeless Appeal posted:True story: I'm a teacher and I sleep in till 7 AM on weekends. Sounds like my coworkers. I’m begrudgingly up at 5 on weekdays but fuuuuck that on weekends. I have friends that kept getting up at 5 through six months of jobless quarantine.
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Nov 8, 2020 18:54
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Halloween Jack posted:Does breakfast become brunch if I'm drunk? No that's Drunch.
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Nov 8, 2020 18:55
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Cpt_Obvious posted:I've been thinking through a lot of this electoral stuff, I think this is a particularly important point, because the decorum crowd has no idea that more riots are coming, and no response in the pipeline but to shame people for being pissed. The anger's still gonna be there. Either we give it an outlet or the fash does.
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Nov 8, 2020 18:56
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Cpt_Obvious posted:I've been thinking through a lot of this electoral stuff, and I've think I've come to a decent conclusion as to how the DSA can continue "infiltrating" the Democratic party and subverting its goals towards public good. It would necessarily require primarying major Democratic establishment players, and I think AOC's ousting of Crowley is a good blueprint for that. I think that you're putting too much faith in organizing around electoral politics and my own read of the last few election cycles is a lot more pessimistic in that regard, but as FoS was saying I think this is a topic worthy of its own thread at some point.
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Nov 8, 2020 19:03
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As with many things, "brunch" is one of those things that means any of a dozen different things based on context, which is to say it's bad when bad people do it and good when good people do and anything above a certain cost is bad no matter whatfool of sound posted:This is a great post and I'd love to see a "The progressive caucus and the war against centrism" thread now that the election is all over but the shouting and this thread is in its final days. I can only pray that they recognize that the only option right now is war against a weakened opponent because the moderates sure as poo poo are moving to a war footing. I hope the rumors that the CPC were planning on shifting to a centralist strategy to make them into a tea party style bloc that cannot be ignored weren't just rumors because that's probably what it would take Helsing posted:I think that you're putting too much faith in organizing around electoral politics and my own read of the last few election cycles is a lot more pessimistic in that regard, but as FoS was saying I think this is a topic worthy of its own thread at some point. I think it all hinges on it they are both able to recognize and then act upon the fact that the moderates are not friends to work with but enemies to be destroyed, and not blinking when they are told that if they don't give up then leadership will ensure the party itself is destroyed Epic High Five fucked around with this message at 19:11 on Nov 8, 2020 |
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Nov 8, 2020 19:08
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Is this alright to post here? edit: of course not because this is the wrong thread
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Nov 8, 2020 19:13
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https://twitter.com/ThomasIsOnline/status/1325278101111250944 I don't give a drat what mouth noises Biden makes, there is a noisy part of their base primed for full UKish terfism, and it would be all too easy a swing to make if they want the suburbs.
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Nov 8, 2020 19:18
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Cpt_Obvious posted:We talking about a poland springs bottle full of vodka that you pour into your diner oj. tbh cooks or similar into from-concentrate oj (which is what 100% of bottomless mimosas are) is pretty much on a similar level.
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Nov 8, 2020 19:20
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Don’t let the man alienate you from your labor, brew your own.
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Nov 8, 2020 19:24
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StratGoatCom posted:https://twitter.com/ThomasIsOnline/status/1325278101111250944 The party is generally fine now with the LGB, but only pretends any real level of acceptance of T and are absolutely and completely opposed to all Q Interestingly enough, acceptance of trans people is something that I think Biden personally is fully on board with (provided they do not threaten the moderates or capital). Danica Roem is someone he backed early and by all accounts has a very good relationship with - he was the first to call her to congratulate her on winning and supported her publicly even a year before he was endorsing Republicans in Michigan. I don't think it'll be anything near enough to sway any of the TERF base tho. It's not an issue people take direction from the party on one way or the other, even Kamala literally telling them to knock it off wouldn't be enough. KHive people have a lot of brain worms and hatred though and, like with the Hillary no hopers in 2008, will be voting for Republicans going forward.
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Nov 8, 2020 19:30
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Epic High Five posted:
I think it has been clearly demonstrated that the left in America - such as it is - lacks the power to credibly make this threat. The proposition that the 'moderate' establishment can be defeated through a vigorous voter mobilization campaign doesn't hold up to scrutiny. To wield power at that level the left would first need to engage in a lot of organizing outside the endless cycle of elections. But as long as the would be leaders of any left movement remain fixated on elections they're going to be focused on issues and strategic calculations that are mostly a distraction from the kind of organizing and community work that probably should be the main priority.
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Nov 8, 2020 19:32
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StratGoatCom posted:https://twitter.com/ThomasIsOnline/status/1325278101111250944 i feel like this subforum would probably be improved by not reposting moronic twitter nobodies to get mad at them
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Nov 8, 2020 19:38
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All this talk about brunch and no love for dim sum, the original brunch.
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Nov 8, 2020 19:41
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fool of sound posted:This is a great post and I'd love to see a "The progressive caucus and the war against centrism" thread now that the election is all over but the shouting and this thread is in its final days. what war lol. the libs are going to purge the party and theres nothing the squad et al can do about it
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Nov 8, 2020 19:47
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Helsing posted:I think it has been clearly demonstrated that the left in America - such as it is - lacks the power to credibly make this threat. The proposition that the 'moderate' establishment can be defeated through a vigorous voter mobilization campaign doesn't hold up to scrutiny. To wield power at that level the left would first need to engage in a lot of organizing outside the endless cycle of elections. But as long as the would be leaders of any left movement remain fixated on elections they're going to be focused on issues and strategic calculations that are mostly a distraction from the kind of organizing and community work that probably should be the main priority. Bernie could've done it, if he had told Obama that if his platform wasn't adopted and his people elevated within the party that he was going to tell his base to stay home or vote third party they would've listened. I dunno how you look at the margins in so many critical states that the Dems have all but given up on except for 1 month every 4 years and think the left doesn't have knives available to it if only it would get the nerve to use them Alas, Bernie did not do this, and he and his allies will be blamed and purged. We're not starting from an ideal position and right now running on a populist platform that avoids the naughty socialism words and winning Republican seats is about as likely a path to power as with the Dems
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Nov 8, 2020 19:51
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https://twitter.com/GeoffRBennett/status/1325172639976058885?s=20 These people are absolutely delusional. Yeah, when I think about someone who will crumble before IDpol, I think of Mitch McConnell.
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Nov 8, 2020 19:57
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Please don't quote Machiavelli most of the things attributed to him were from "The Prince" and were written as satire. Just a pet peeve of mine.
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Nov 8, 2020 19:57
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Boba Pearl posted:Please don't quote Machiavelli most of the things attributed to him were from "The Prince" and were written as satire. It's not satire.
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Nov 8, 2020 20:02
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We’re seeing Ilan Omar and Rashida Tlaib getting dumped on right now despite delivering Biden Minnesota and Michigan and despite 26 out of 30 DSA backed candidates win while centrists got slaughtered. There really is no future in the Democratic Party.
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Nov 8, 2020 20:08
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Machiavelli was satire, while it's up for debate whether it is or not, I've found plenty of scholarly articles that suggest that it in fact, was. (Mattingly G.1958) Mattingly, Garrett. “Machiavelli's ‘Prince’: Political Science or Political Satire?” The American Scholar, vol. 27, no. 4, 1958, pp. 482–491. JSTOR, https://www.jstor.org/stable/41208453. Accessed 8 Nov. 2020.
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Nov 8, 2020 20:09
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GreyjoyBastard posted:i feel like this subforum would probably be improved by not reposting moronic twitter nobodies to get mad at them lol that's all this sub did for 4 years under trump but now that the libs are going mask off it's best that we all shut up about it
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Nov 8, 2020 20:09
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Boba Pearl posted:Machiavelli was satire, while it's up for debate whether it is or not, I've found plenty of scholarly articles that suggest that it in fact, was. (Mattingly G.1958) mattingly is the origin of the satire theory and as far as i can tell, the only scholar in the 20th century pushing the idea
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Nov 8, 2020 20:12
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Timeless Appeal posted:My dude, there isn't nothing that fancy about pouring a cheap bottle of Prosecco into a glass of orange juice no matter how fancy the glass is.
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Nov 8, 2020 20:14
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Nucleic Acids posted:We’re seeing Ilan Omar and Rashida Tlaib getting dumped on right now despite delivering Biden Minnesota and Michigan and despite 26 out of 30 DSA backed candidates win while centrists got slaughtered. There really is no future in the Democratic Party. Turns out that winning doesn't count if you won with a platform they don't agree with. However, if you LOSE with a platform they do like, you'll be treated as though you won lol. This is why I think they're gonna go full bore on the purge of the left btw, they see their fellow travelers getting dumpstered every cycle while the left gains ground, they'll burn everything down before they give up their comfy sinecures. How many of the ones who flipped districts in 2018 have gone on to lose them since?
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Nov 8, 2020 20:15
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Nucleic Acids posted:We’re seeing Ilan Omar and Rashida Tlaib getting dumped on right now despite delivering Biden Minnesota and Michigan and despite 26 out of 30 DSA backed candidates win while centrists got slaughtered. There really is no future in the Democratic Party. And they may have managed to pull the same demoralization tactics as they did on Bernie to strangle AOC's run in the cradle.
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Nov 8, 2020 20:15
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Epic High Five posted:Bernie could've done it, if he had told Obama that if his platform wasn't adopted and his people elevated within the party that he was going to tell his base to stay home or vote third party they would've listened. I dunno how you look at the margins in so many critical states that the Dems have all but given up on except for 1 month every 4 years and think the left doesn't have knives available to it if only it would get the nerve to use them Even if that flex had worked, which I'm dubious of, the party adopting the platform would be an entirely symbolic gesture that wouldn't have carried much weight after the election. The sad fact of the matter is that the current leadership and upper echelons of the Democratic party are better off losing as centrists than they would be winning as leftists. Threatening them with an election loss might be enough to squeeze marginal concessions out of them but it's never going to compel the party to act against its underlying class interests, which is what the Bernie campaign was ostensibly aiming to achieve.
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Nov 8, 2020 20:18
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Timeless Appeal posted:My dude, there isn't nothing that fancy about pouring a cheap bottle of Prosecco into a glass of orange juice no matter how fancy the glass is. There is if it's 8 bucks. If you own the means of drink production, then the workers can still win.
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Nov 8, 2020 20:23
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Alright here's another couple that say the same thing: Kniatt, Stacey. "Machiavelli’s The Prince as a Satire: An Exploratory Look at Machiavelli’s Works to Determine His True Political Inclinations." The Eagle Feather 4 (2007): n. pag. Web. 8 November 2020. doi:10.12794/tef.2007.233. And I don't know how to cite this paper properly. https://pol.illinoisstate.edu/downloads/conferences/2004/Voulgaris32.pdf I got an A on an essay about this subject, which doesn't really prove anything, but I don't think the science is out on it as you may think. Though this conversation is off topic, and I will concede pretty much any point to not have to continue it. My personal belief is that if Joe Biden actually does some good, I would support him, but because of his incredibly conservative persona that he puts forward, I worry that what he says is empty talk. We won't know until he gets into office. I also hope he avoids any military actions in other countries, but I'm not too hopeful after the Obama/Biden administration. I feel like a bad leftist, I'm willing to forgive the forever wars in exchange for things like the Green New Deal and Medicare 4 all. Or a trillion dollar climate plan, and expanded medicaid that effectively covers everyone. I am hopeful about the 50k Studen Debt, because I know a lot of people who got a bachelor's degree who could really use that money to get out from under water. That money could do a lot of good, and if he continues to use executive orders and his cabinet to do populists actions like that, then he has a good chance to get people to turn out for 2020. Though a lot of this is predicated on the Georgia runoffs, if he doesn't have a majority in the senate he will have to try and enact his policies through his cabinet and executive orders, and we've seen how effective that is, though maybe a more competent government can succeed where this loving Nazi emboldening motherfucker has failed. Boba Pearl fucked around with this message at 20:27 on Nov 8, 2020 |
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Nov 8, 2020 20:24
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Helsing posted:Even if that flex had worked, which I'm dubious of, the party adopting the platform would be an entirely symbolic gesture that wouldn't have carried much weight after the election. The sad fact of the matter is that the current leadership and upper echelons of the Democratic party are better off losing as centrists than they would be winning as leftists. Threatening them with an election loss might be enough to squeeze marginal concessions out of them but it's never going to compel the party to act against its underlying class interests, which is what the Bernie campaign was ostensibly aiming to achieve. I'm with you, but what I describe is pretty much the only path I see forward for the entryists. Personally I think the party needs to be made to suffer humiliating and utter defeat, and as many as it takes for them to be utterly destroyed. Average age of leadership is upper 70's and their worldview hasn't changed since Reagan rocked their world. There's no path forward, imho, with a party that will literally get paid to lose if that is what is necessary and whose national structure is not held accountable in any way to local offices that are potentially winnable by progressives. Right now the focus needs to be on shattering the coalition and claiming as much of it for the left as possible, which could really sow some division considering the official stance of the party is that everybody who isn't over 50 AND conservative are not a part of their coalition. Even this would constitute doing work on their behalf because it would stem the flight of minorities and the young from the party lol
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Nov 8, 2020 20:28
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I am actually unaware of any data/research on whether party platforms are worth the electrons they're printed on. Candidate platforms seem to matter somewhere between "a little bit" and "a good bit", but party platforms? It's part of why i focus on the Caucus Successes and the Threat To Dennis Speight as Texas convention successes in the barely-any-leftists-organized-at-all 2020 convention. The first one definitely matters and the second one is at least encouraging. We also got a really super good platform passed but I'm not sure there's a single person who gives a poo poo.  Raskolnikov38 posted:mattingly is the origin of the satire theory and as far as i can tell, the only scholar in the 20th century pushing the idea yeah and he does have a whole thing at the end (? it's been a while since i read it) about how the ideal prince would be both morally good and effective, i'm p solidly on it being a legit advisory work edit: oh hey, major Check His Website news! Transition website is up https://buildbackbetter.com/ quote:Transit: Provide every American city with 100,000 or more residents with high-quality, zero-emissions public transportation options through flexible federal investments with strong labor protections that create good, union jobs and meet the needs of these cities — ranging from light rail networks to improving existing transit and bus lines to installing infrastructure for pedestrians and bicyclists. *checks current city population worriedly* whew, we got this Goatse James Bond fucked around with this message at 20:35 on Nov 8, 2020 |
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Nov 8, 2020 20:29
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He needs to say these things, people are not going to go to there website to see their views. No-one's googling the president elect to see what his plan is. If he is truly pushing leftist policies, like fixing public transportation in cities, or lowering emissions, then he needs to be out there saying it. The run-off is in 2 months, and we need something on the table that will get Georgians to go vote. e: Hillary Clinton ran on the idea that if she had a good platform on her website, then that would get people motivated. She needed to actually go to the rust belt and speak to them about their material conditions on how they'll improve. Biden is making the same mistakes, by not talking about how his plans will improve the lives of the people of Georgia.
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Nucleic Acids posted:We’re seeing Ilan Omar and Rashida Tlaib getting dumped on right now despite delivering Biden Minnesota and Michigan and despite 26 out of 30 DSA backed candidates win while centrists got slaughtered. There really is no future in the Democratic Party. I mean is there more to this or are we still talking about Kasich complaining on TV?
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