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PIZZA.BAT posted:an incredibly poorly thought out and executed attempt at a coup is still a coup This. Don't give them an inch just because they're incompetent cowards. If they had a way to pull this off that wouldn't get them all arrested or killed they would do it. Their actions now are proving that they are looking for any opportunity to toss out democracy to give themselves political power.
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Nov 10, 2020 05:12
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It’s only a coup if it comes from the Coup region of France, otherwise it’s just sparkling high treason.
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Nov 10, 2020 05:15
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Imagine if people had just voted for Hillary instead of the game show conman.
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Nov 10, 2020 05:17
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When it’s full of squawking, bird-brained cowards it’s not a coup, it’s a coop.
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Nov 10, 2020 05:20
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Blue Raider posted:I’m very appreciative of the black powder pistols from the 1870s. The weird thing is that it's clearly mirrored.
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Nov 10, 2020 05:25
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scratch unpleasant posted:For anyone still looking for the sky to fall: yea no one is worried that Biden actually lost, what they're worrying about is the Trump administration now arguing none of those votes should count to begin with.
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Nov 10, 2020 05:26
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Vernii posted:yea no one is worried that Biden actually lost, what they're worrying about is the Trump administration now arguing none of those votes should count to begin with. The way I look at it is that if the Trump administration was competent enough to throw out entire states worth of votes then we wouldn't be here in the first place.
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Nov 10, 2020 05:30
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Vernii posted:yea no one is worried that Biden actually lost, what they're worrying about is the Trump administration now arguing none of those votes should count to begin with. any court or governing body that overturned an election by those margins would literally be ending the republic.
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Nov 10, 2020 05:32
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PIZZA.BAT posted:an incredibly poorly thought out and executed attempt at a coup is still a coup “Attempted coup. Now honestly what is that? Can you win a Nobel Prize for attempted chemistry?”
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Nov 10, 2020 05:34
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Nov 10, 2020 05:36
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speng31b posted:any court or governing body that overturned an election by those margins would literally be ending the republic. That's just bonus for those currently in power. It took 2 days after the election being called for the GOP to start openly flirting with the idea that any result other than a Republican victory is inherently illegitimate and to be overturned. From there its a really small step to, "We should just be in charge permanently." People keep expecting that the party responsible for the last 4 years will continue to play by the rules for some reason despite them blatantly signalling they give zero fucks about the rules or consequences. ImpAtom posted:The way I look at it is that if the Trump administration was competent enough to throw out entire states worth of votes then we wouldn't be here in the first place. I don't think they are but the rest of the party apparatus probably is, and they're starting to close ranks around the idea that Trump was robbed.
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Nov 10, 2020 05:36
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Vernii posted:That's just bonus for those currently in power. It took 2 days after the election being called for the GOP to start openly flirting with the idea that any result other than a Republican victory is inherently illegitimate and to be overturned. From there its a really small step to, "We should just be in charge permanently." Nobody expects them to play by the rules. A coup is not as easy as you think it is, especially for a country of the raw size of the United States. It would require significantly more competence and willpower than the Trump administration has. The risk of this isn't that Trump successfully starts a coup but that his behavior increases the chances for violence and slows down the Biden administration's response to COVID. If Trump had the ability to start a massive coup that overthrew the government to install himself as God-King then he wouldn't have lost the drat election in the first place. You're not going to coup the government successfully when you can't even rig a vote. Vernii posted:I don't think they are but the rest of the party apparatus probably is, and they're starting to close ranks around the idea that Trump was robbed. They really are not. They are making the bare minimum "Oh yeah this sucks" stuff except for a few people attached like a parasite to Trump's giant orange rear end like Lindsey Graham. They are not openly going to defy Trump because they know it could do real damage to their party but pretty much every response from a GOP except for like 2 Extreme Crazies has been a mealy-mouthed "oh yeah every vote should be counted yeah" More to the point it's assuming a lot of political willpower that isn't there. Trump's supporters want him in office but if you genuinely think most of them are willing to take up arms and throw away their lives for Trump instead of talking big on the internet the mere fact that we're several days past the election being called and the most 99% of them are doing is posting Big Angry on reddit. There's still that 1% risk which Trump is absolutely enflaming but that isn't going to get him a coup. It's just going to cause outbreaks of violence against innocent people. ImpAtom fucked around with this message at 05:48 on Nov 10, 2020 |
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Nov 10, 2020 05:43
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It’s not just chuds who are moving into their own echo chamber. In 4 years, there are gonna be a ton of Qanon believers
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Nov 10, 2020 05:44
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Edmund Lava posted:He’s been pretty quite publicly about his politics, but a bit louder in smaller appearances. It seems he’s going the never-Trump route. Ah yes, the "just one more crime and I swear this time I'll stop giving Republicans my undying loyalty" never-Trumper. He can join Susan Collins in the "deeply concerned but still going along with it" brigade. Mitt Romney has more of a spine than this man.
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Nov 10, 2020 05:45
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speng31b posted:any court or governing body that overturned an election by those margins would literally be ending the republic. That is correct. That is exactly what they are trying to do. Laws only mean something when people agree they do. Trump and Co are betting they can get enough people to agree that laws don't apply to them.
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Nov 10, 2020 05:47
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Josh Lyman posted:It’s not just chuds who are moving into their own echo chamber. In 4 years, there are gonna be a ton of Qanon believers If you haven’t figured out where this is all going connect 2 dots between trump getting kicked off twitter and parlor existing.
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Nov 10, 2020 05:50
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TheAgent posted:my father is a pastor and loves to bring up that the loving book of revelation barely made it in to the current bible and that all of it is bitching about the romans and taxes by some random dude strung the gently caress out on mold covered bread. like whoever wrote that poo poo was basically proto alex jones 1900 years ago wanna meet that dad
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Nov 10, 2020 05:53
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Nitrousoxide posted:That is correct. If you're actually interested in the subject, the 1969 book Coup d'État: A Practical Handbook by Luttwak is still probably the best single-volume study of the subject. It goes into this sort of thing in some detail.
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Nov 10, 2020 05:54
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ImpAtom posted:Nobody expects them to play by the rules. Trump doesn't need to convince people that he is a God king. He is already in control of the executive branch. All he has to do is convince people that he doesn't have to turn the reins of power over to the next person because the election is illegitimate. He has the ability to command the executive branch of the most powerful country on the planet toward that aim. To brush this off as merely the innane ramblings of some nobody is incredibly foolish. Trump is, at best, demolishing trust and faith in the election process in the United States by half of its citizens. At worst he is convincing millions of people that he is the rightful president regardless of what the votes say and is setting himself up to be the president regardless of what courts, the media, or anyone else says.
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Nov 10, 2020 05:55
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honestly learning about how the election process works even without Trump has been the part that's really made me lose faith in the institutions. there are some real whacky choices in there
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Nov 10, 2020 05:58
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SubG posted:That's really, really not how a coup works. Not a successful one, anyway. You can't stage a coup and then rally public support; public support has to be there in the first place, so the coup planners/junta/interim government/whatever can count on the material support of the public in the early hours/days of the coup. This literally is him drumming up support in the lead up to the coup. What do you think he's doing now? The actual coup will be on January 20th or if he arrests Biden sometime before then. This is the lead up to that point where he justifies his seizure of power.
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Nov 10, 2020 06:00
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Vernii posted:yea no one is worried that Biden actually lost, what they're worrying about is the Trump administration now arguing none of those votes should count to begin with. It actually becomes more difficult to successfully argue overturning results and more meaningless for certain tranches of votes to be eliminated the wider Biden's margins are.
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Nov 10, 2020 06:02
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Nitrousoxide posted:Trump doesn't need to convince people that he is a God king. He is already in control of the executive branch. All he has to do is convince people that he doesn't have to turn the reins of power over to the next person because the election is illegitimate. He has the ability to command the executive branch of the most powerful country on the planet toward that aim. Nitrousoxide posted:This literally is him drumming up support in the lead up to the coup. What do you think he's doing now?
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Nov 10, 2020 06:03
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Nitrousoxide posted:This literally is him drumming up support in the lead up to the coup. What do you think he's doing now? Making sure his followers believe him and keep buying poo poo. He needs to make it look like the swamp threw him out with the help of fox news. If he coincides he would be telling his supporters their leader failed, and the checks would stop. This show isn’t even for you.
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Nov 10, 2020 06:17
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Edmund Lava posted:Not how expected Alton’s election meltdown to end He bashed people who voted absentee if they were able to vote in person with a mask and social distancing (lol yeah like that’s a guarantee in this dumb country). He claimed voting in person would mean Trump couldn’t question mail in votes and the results would have been announced sooner. It sounded like victim blaming poo poo in a way.
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Nov 10, 2020 06:18
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People need to be willing to die for a coup to succeed, military and just civilians taking to the street. Some reactionaries are definitely willing to kill for trump, but only if they’re confident that they won’t be hurt.
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Nov 10, 2020 06:20
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Nov 10, 2020 06:45
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Nitrousoxide posted:Trump doesn't need to convince people that he is a God king. He is already in control of the executive branch. All he has to do is convince people that he doesn't have to turn the reins of power over to the next person because the election is illegitimate. He has the ability to command the executive branch of the most powerful country on the planet toward that aim. The thing is that yes, Trump does need to do that. Trump doesn't just get to continue as President until he hands the reigns over to Joe Biden. To say he remains President without a valid election would require him to wield enough power so brazenly that it would be just as easy to declare himself God King. Trump is doing damage, that much is inarguable, but if he had the abilities you think he has then we wouldn't be here. He is flailing wildly and doing damage in the process but that is it. It's scary and upsetting and we all wish he'd dissolve into a puddle of piss but it takes more than whining on Twitter and throwing constantly failing lawsuits at everything he can. Trump is, it is worth remembering, a failure. A near-constant failure who almost never succeeds at what he personally wants to do. Don't get me wrong, he does an immense amount of damage while he's flailing around to do that and it doesn't devalue the harm he causes. But he isn't a mastermind or even particularly competent. He's a childish manbaby who screams until he gets his way and has never had to do anything but. He has had a bit of a charmed life unarguably but he isn't magic and pretty much every success he had in office was "someone else wanted something and guided Trump towards it." But I'll be worried about him successfully pulling off a coup when he shows something that isn't as incompetent as the Hunter Biden Laptop thing.
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Nov 10, 2020 06:46
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It's going to be very exhausting having him constantly say he won the election and he was cheated, right now I think they are going for the popcorn effect, apply enough heat to the most devote trump worshippers until one of them finally pops.
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Nov 10, 2020 06:59
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I don't doubt that Trump would attempt a coup if he could wrap his head around the whys and wherefores, but he's just pissing his pants because he can't begin to handle that he lost a fair election. Some of his toadies are going along with it because they've got their heads so far up his rear end they could diagnose halitosis, but the RNC's game plan here is to strengthen their voter disenfranchisement efforts as a whole, because vote by mail inherently makes it harder for their traditional means of suppression to be effective, and the evidence suggests fair electoral processes in the US would be unhelpful to the Republicans, as Lindsay Graham helpfully told us.
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Nov 10, 2020 07:06
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This Ezra Klein piece sums up my feeling on the Trump coup attempt very well: https://www.vox.com/2020-presidential-election/2020/11/7/21554114/trump-election-2020-voter-fraud-challenge-recount-biden quote:Donald Trump is trying to discredit an election he is losing
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Nov 10, 2020 07:06
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Nitrousoxide posted:setting himself up to be the president regardless of what courts, the media, or anyone else says. Both you and Trump (and any other assortment of doom/chud posters) can say he’s president and it won’t matter to anybody else.
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Nov 10, 2020 07:16
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Wistful of Dollars posted:“Attempted coup. Now honestly what is that? Can you win a Nobel Prize for attempted chemistry?” heh
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Nov 10, 2020 07:17
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Josh Lyman posted:It’s not just chuds who are moving into their own echo chamber. In 4 years, there are gonna be a ton of Qanon believers On the plus side, I've heard some Q believers have died by suicide recently so, uh, silver linings?
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Nov 10, 2020 07:21
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Comstar posted:That reminds me. What’s billy mitchell(?) saying now his lord and savior has failed. He's on Parler, a few months ago he had posted something about being in the hospital for heart failure and not being able to post as much, but he seems to be posting as much as ever over there
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You guys seem to be missing what I think is Trump's main goal -- it's not the lawsuits, it's not the votes, it the people who actually cast the electoral college votes. He's going to put on as much public pressure as he can to scare enough electors to flip.
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Nov 10, 2020 07:49
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BetterToRuleInHell posted:You guys seem to be missing what I think is Trump's main goal -- it's not the lawsuits, it's not the votes, it the people who actually cast the electoral college votes. Would never work. He's just doing what he would have done if he lost in 2016, say he was cheated and raise money off of it forever.
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Nov 10, 2020 07:55
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Like Trump himself might be wiling to do a coup if it means taking power and staying out of jail (though we also have to remember he has a low attention span and rarely finishes what he starts.) The rest of the GOP though- like, if they openly try that, and fail, you're talking civil war. One you might win, but uh, it's tough. And you have to hold on to that! (Plus, dictatorships often have trouble outliving the dictator. How many years does Trump have left?) But yeah, they'll make a show of saying this is illegitimate and go forward saying "TRUMP WAS ROBBED" and live off that for years. That is bad. Some caution's warranted, but well, in the meantime there's other stuff to do.
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Republicans posted:Would never work. He's just doing what he would have done if he lost in 2016, say he was cheated and raise money off of it forever. It’s this. It just his “they hate me and they hate you too” base grift.
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