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LegendaryFrog posted:Yes. Also a $300 upcharge to get the "pro" at the end of your laptop with the same chipset in it.
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I'm sure it'll come out in the next few days, but I take it M1 and A14 both have Firestorm/Icestorm in them, just the M1 adding 2 more Firestorm cores, and then doubling number of GPU cores? Also the AnandTech live blog is a bit confusing, I take it they are showing they combined CPU, RAM and TB controller all onto one package?
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GATOS Y VATOS posted:Let's see some ZBrush demo I’m interested in seeing some actual benchmarks for C4D. I believe all the GPU comparisons were against the Intel integrated GPU. I believe the CPU renderer scales with cores but who knows if the M1 can use all 8 cores at the same time.
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triple sulk posted:Forgot this was starting when it did. Which is looking like the best value proposition if any? I guess the Mac Mini? Sliced $100 off the base price for anyone who just has to have a Mac.
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Nov 10, 2020 19:53
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FCKGW posted:https://www.apple.com/shop/buy-mac/macbook-pro/13-inch Man $1299 for 8 gigs of ram. Oooooofff
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So did I understand that right, that ram is now part of the SOC?
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Looks like the 13" has shared system/GPU RAM . . . and only goes up to 16GB. That doesn't sound great.
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Nov 10, 2020 19:55
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Kreeblah posted:Looks like the 13" has shared system/GPU RAM . . . and only goes up to 16GB. That doesn't sound great. Gen1 Apple product lol.
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teagone posted:I was zoning out a bit during the presentation. Does the M1 in the Mac Mini and MacBook Pro have more cores than the Air? Or are they just clocked faster? I don't think they've actually announced clock speeds for any of the models. The store doesn't have them listed either. The new Mac Minis also lack the 10gig Ethernet option. Boo. Baronash fucked around with this message at 19:57 on Nov 10, 2020 |
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Nov 10, 2020 19:55
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The mini kinda seems like the best value considering the usual Apple bullshit of additional RAM/storage, but that's obviously dependent on if you need the portability or not $1299 for the 16gb/1tb config
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Nov 10, 2020 19:56
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Ok Comboomer posted:Wait, so do the new Air, Mini, and MBP have the same SoC? Are the limits mainly thermal/power? Looks like they're all the same except the entry level Macbook Air which has a 7-core GPU compared to the 8-core GPU on every other model. MarcusSA posted:Man $1299 for 8 gigs of ram. Oooooofff That was the same as on the previous Intel, it's fine.
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Nov 10, 2020 19:56
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For the first time I regret buying a 2020 Air.
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Kreeblah posted:Looks like the 13" has shared system/GPU RAM . . . and only goes up to 16GB. That doesn't sound great. I am guessing we will get a M1x (or something similar) later for the 16inch pro and imacs that support more ram and more ports. It looks like this M1 only supported two thunderbolt ports.
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Spime Wrangler posted:So did I understand that right, that ram is now part of the SOC? Yeah, it's on the package. Not user upgradeable.
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That MBP is a loving joke, right?
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Nov 10, 2020 19:57
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I think the $1249 Macbook Air is gonna be the sweet spot computer for most people.
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The M1 mini is $200 CAD cheaper than the 6-core i5 version, so really interested to see those comparison benchmarks. $1400 cad for the 16gb 512gb SSD variant which I would consider the min usable spec to not be hamstrung over a few years, so yeah the few who thought that Apple will go for the jugular wrt to price were overly hopeful, as most expected. The restriction to 16gb max though sucks though, understandable since it's an SOC but that will be a barrier to some workloads.
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badjohny posted:I am guessing we will get a M1x (or something similar) later for the 16inch pro and imacs that support more ram and more ports. It looks like this M1 only supported two thunderbolt ports. What's the largest PoP around? I was about to say they'll use the same die but with more I/O, but that would be a more typical CPU package + discrete DRAM package application. Anyone have 32GB with only two DDR4 parts? M2 I guess would include DDR5 support in the memory controller. When do they start including the WiFi MAC, and the cellular modem they build themselves so every single Apple product comes out of the box able to connect to virtually any available service? That's got to be the endgame.
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On the page about the M1 they have examples of great apps you’ll be able to run on the new chip including Sonic Racing mobile version.
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Happy Noodle Boy posted:That MBP is a loving joke, right? iPad Air 2020 also makes the iPad Pro look very "hmm" (granted it hasn't been refreshed yet)
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so it looks like they're offering the macbook air with a 7-core GPU version and an 8-core GPU version (which also has higher base storage). I guess we'll have to wait for benchmarks to see if there are any real clock/performance differences between the two chips?
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LuckyCat posted:On the page about the M1 they have examples of great apps you’ll be able to run on the new chip including Sonic Racing mobile version.
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movax posted:Yeah, it's on the package. Not user upgradeable. Yeah I wouldn't expect it since they haven't allowed that for like a decade. More interested in what the performance implications are, if any. Worrying about sharing ram with the GPU in a 13 inch seems off-base, as that was the status quo anyways.
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FCKGW posted:I think the $1249 Macbook Air is gonna be the sweet spot computer for most people. Yeah I think they were right to go with the MBA and the Mini for people who insist on desktops for a first gen run. I will expect the MBP to get a faster refresh than those two.
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American McGay posted:I wasn't expecting much but when they showed Baldur's Gate 3 I knew it wasn't gonna be great. Every time they showed it I thought, didn't Neverwinter Nights kinda sorta look about this good 20 years ago
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Ok Comboomer posted:Wait, so do the new Air, Mini, and MBP have the same SoC? Are the limits mainly thermal/power? Also a bigger battery in the MBP from the sound of it. If you need exxxxtreeeeme battery life the MBP is targeting you.
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LuckyCat posted:On the page about the M1 they have examples of great apps you’ll be able to run on the new chip including Sonic Racing mobile version. Hopefully Blizzard will port Warcraft and World of Warcraft to Apple silicon. Only games I play anymore.
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GATOS Y VATOS posted:Yeah I think they were right to go with the MBA and the Mini for people who insist on desktops for a first gen run. I will expect the MBP to get a faster refresh than those two. Honestly, with the amount of control they have over the hardware now, I'll be a bit disappointed if any of their lines are allowed to languish in hell as long as they did during the Intel years.
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Spime Wrangler posted:Yeah I wouldn't expect it since they haven't allowed that for like a decade. More interested in what the performance implications are, if any. It's less that they're going with the shared RAM model, and more that they're doing that with a 16GB maximum in a supposed "pro" computer in 2020. They should at least have offered a 32GB option.
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Baronash posted:Honestly, with the amount of control they have over the hardware now, I'll be a bit disappointed if any of their lines are allowed to languish in hell as long as they did during the Intel years. Let me tell you about the iPad mini
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Extremely disappointed apple silicon can apparently only drive two total displays. I don't need a single fuckoff 6k monitor, let me drive two additional external 4k or even 1440 monitors off my computer. Also intel MBAs not even on the website anymore so I'll need to call local stores to check inventory for one in the spec I want.
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Kreeblah posted:It's less that they're going with the shared RAM model, and more that they're doing that with a 16GB maximum in a supposed "pro" computer in 2020. They should at least have offered a 32GB option. Idk I think it's probably fine for what I'd be using a 13" computer for. You shouldn't be working with lots of VMs, large codebases, or big databases locally at that size. And it's fine for any content creation that doesn't involve heavy post-processing/animations or tens of hundreds/thousands?? of layers. People still get weird about RAM but I very rarely see more than 8GB actually used on my 2017 13", and that's using some electron apps, DaVinci Resolve for video editing, and a few other lighter things.
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Looks like the MBP 13" still ships with a 61W USB-C adapter, while the MBA will have a 30W adapter. MBP battery isn't crazy bigger, (58 vs. 50 Wh), so is it going to have some absurd clock-rate while plugged in vs. the MBA?
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Kreeblah posted:It's less that they're going with the shared RAM model, and more that they're doing that with a 16GB maximum in a supposed "pro" computer in 2020. They should at least have offered a 32GB option. Yeah that's fair, it's definitely time for a 32gb option.
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GATOS Y VATOS posted:holy poo poo Now he’ll be able to fund another two decades of podcast shenanigans LegendaryFrog posted:Yes. Also a $300 upcharge to get the "pro" at the end of your laptop with the same chipset in it. The more expensive one has a fan and a heat pipe in it. FCKGW posted:Looks like they're all the same except the entry level Macbook Air which has a 7-core GPU compared to the 8-core GPU on every other model. Yeah I noticed that. I wonder if that’s a binning thing? You get the slightly underbaked M1s for $999-$1200 and the full-fat ones for $1249+? If you’re comparing close SKUs, really an Air with the 8-core GPU, 8gb ram (lmao), and 512gb storage is $1249. The equivalently-equipped MBP is $50 more expensive, for which you get a fan+heatpipe+more battery juice. Seems less nonsensical than I initially thought, more like all the Mac notebooks are entering into one continuity. Instead of deciding whether you need 4 cores or 8 or 2, you just move up and down a sliding scale of Macs
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Unification of SKUs is probably a very good thing for them. I'd expect more of the same going forward.
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lolol Spime Wrangler posted:Do you think the power/performance benefits apple is claiming will be unique to their chips or will other desktop ARM variants be able to keep pace? How long is apple likely to maintain a real performance edge here? A good long while; remember, a lot of their edge comes from their proprietary silicon that only Darwin really knows how to properly address. Also, very very glad I didn't buy a personal iPad Pro a couple of months ago, now.
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