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Also, not sure if this qualifies as a proposal, but We suggest that all out xeno-archeology, xeno-antropology and xeno-biology efforts should be linked under a new supranational agency called the Xeno-Studies for Cosmic Ontological Materialism or X-COM, a peaceful intitiative seeking to understand other forms of life in the universe
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Pacho posted:Also, not sure if this qualifies as a proposal, but We suggest that all out xeno-archeology, xeno-antropology and xeno-biology efforts should be linked under a new supranational agency called the Xeno-Studies for Cosmic Ontological Materialism or X-COM, a peaceful intitiative seeking to understand other forms of life in the universe I will second this proposal.
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OOC: Sorry if my proposal caused confusion; I’m well aware the protocol would be moot because of how the game mechanics around jumping would work. I suggested it out of flavor.
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Greetings from the Cascadian Workers Collective, happy to finally be working with you all! I've spent the last week studying the legislative archives after being appointed the representative of the CWC and look forward to taking part in our shared future! I hope this isn't presumptuous, but I have a proposal I've been working on, the Indigenous Nations Reparations Act. To put it simply; I believe it is our duty as proper socialists to see those sovereign native nations that have been abused and exploited see their lands returned to them, and see repayment for the suffering and poverty they've been forced into. This would take the form of; -Returning lands to the native nations that they belong to. -Paying monetary reparations. -Giving full assistance in rebuilding of infrastructure, agriculture, housing, and anything else needed. -Recognizing each indigenous nation as a lawful and sovereign independent nation. -Prioritizing TNE industrial construction and development in indigenous nations. This would of course apply to any indigenous peoples on any continent. We have a responsibility to try to make amends for the evils of colonial and capitalist exploitation and violence. I believe this would be a first step in fulfilling that. (I'm not sure of how this would be handled mechanically, so I leave that up to Mister Bates!) Sanev.Khan posted:Also I propose repealing I-31, the five year plans, and a return to the one-year plans, because it's going to get annoying and it's not super compatible with yearly updates, our rapid teching-up and we'll need more flexibility when we've finished converting our industry. And also, we're already reconvening every year anyway. Asterite34 posted:2) Proposal for EM and Thermal scan of Mars in anticipation of a formal Xenoarcheology expedition to Cydonia. The Cydonia Ruins are potentially incalculably valuabe, but we can't rule out that they're not as dead as we'd like. A further orbial scan can be done per Foxfire_'s earlier workshopping: Serf posted:3) Explore the sea floor. We know more about the solar system at this rate than the oceans on our planet. Perhaps this new generation of submarine, rather than being used for war as they would have in the past, be used to enhance the understanding of our own world. Surely TNE-derived hulls would allow diving to depths never seen before and their scanners could map this great unknown. And who knows, perhaps visitors other than the Roswell ship ended up lost here in the past. The Earth's surface is mostly water, statistically other extraterrestrial wrecks would be found beneath the waves Antilles posted:We would also like to propose the following instructions to our diplomatic corps, to see if we can improve relations with currently neutral states: welfarestateofmind posted:[1] Lunplan Expansion: with the TNE deposits on Luna, a major expansion of infrastructure to accommodate a larger population there. We should prioritize the resources we have the most access to until we have reached a critical mass of resource extraction, while building up as a secondary venture our Martian expansion. Since our focus is already on construction and mining, this should not greatly hamper our larger five year plan. NewMars posted:The UAWR would like to propose the Trans-newtonian Global Network Project. In addition, I Second these proposals.
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Foxfire_ posted:Be aware a new academy is the equivalent of 120 factory conversions, about 1/3 of the entire total that we've done so far. It's a huge undertaking. We also have only one scientist with a high bonus and high maximum number of labs, and no real good construction or sensor scientist. Foxfire_ posted:I think we are negative actually, there is a 4% production penalty on all planets that is otherwise unexplained. It'll get worse as time goes on. Foxfire_ posted:Proposal: Organizational wealth Capacity Foxfire_ posted:Proposal: Long term research efficiency and scientist development I ride bikes all day posted:I propose we dedicate our 5 year plan to design, research, prototype, and produce a space superiority ship by 1987. If this initiative passes, I would like to have a design contest where scientists and engineers can submit truly next generation ships for use in the defense of Sol. I suggest we commit 25 of our 40 labs to this project. Our remaining labs should be distributed between improvements in construction, mining, and research efficiency.
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Just to check, we don't have troop transport capability yet, right? So any plan to send a xeno-tech team to Mars isn't just "research xeno-tech, build unit w/ xeno-tech module" but also "research troop transport, build freighter w/ troop transport capability"? Also, it's getting kinda hard to keep track of what's been suggested and what's been seconded, how about a google sheets page where people paste the bolded parts of their suggestions (maybe a link to the post on the forum as well) and a column for 'seconded by'?
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Antilles posted:Just to check, we don't have troop transport capability yet, right? So any plan to send a xeno-tech team to Mars isn't just "research xeno-tech, build unit w/ xeno-tech module" but also "research troop transport, build freighter w/ troop transport capability"? Antilles posted:Also, it's getting kinda hard to keep track of what's been suggested and what's been seconded, how about a google sheets page where people paste the bolded parts of their suggestions (maybe a link to the post on the forum as well) and a column for 'seconded by'? And a column for the inevitable "thirded" that'll be needed soon. Though I'm not sure seconding is that good a system, everything proposed has been seconded, or even seconded several times already, no? Sanev.Khan fucked around with this message at 14:52 on Nov 11, 2020 |
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Sanev.Khan posted:everything proposed has been seconded, or even seconded several times already, no? Well, almost everything, anyways. 
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The Lunar Socialist Republic supports all efforts towards the expansion of infrastructure and industry on Luna. We're bottlenecked up here right now, we need more housing to get more people to get more industry to get the benefits of Lunar settlement to the rest of the world, and to get ourselves self-sustaining and no longer presenting any significant burden to terrestrial industrial resources. Luna is a rich reward, but it needs investment first.
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Antilles posted:Just to check, we don't have troop transport capability yet, right? So any plan to send a xeno-tech team to Mars isn't just "research xeno-tech, build unit w/ xeno-tech module" but also "research troop transport, build freighter w/ troop transport capability"? Sanev.Khan posted:And a column for the inevitable "thirded" that'll be needed soon. Though I'm not sure seconding is that good a system, everything proposed has been seconded, or even seconded several times already, no? Yeah, I'm thinking about infrastructure right now, and something like this is coming, in addition to another one listing all previously passed legislation. What I may have to do if this level of activity continues is actually move voting off-site too using one of several utilities.
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I ride bikes all day posted:Well, almost everything, anyways. I would maybe be in favor of that 'make warship in next 5 years' proposal, with some edits to make it more actionable. As is, it would immediately need follow-up votes before anything could happen. Maybe make it be soliciting proposals within certain resource limits (i.e. use these labs, use this shipyard, have this much factory capacity, ...), then if it passes people come up with specific research/build/design plans under those limits for voting and implementation in the next session? Sanev.Khan posted:And a column for the inevitable "thirded" that'll be needed soon. Though I'm not sure seconding is that good a system, everything proposed has been seconded, or even seconded several times already, no? It is the way of legislative LPs. Soon we will develop political parties and blood feuds over trains.
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zanni posted:Greetings from the Cascadian Workers Collective, happy to finally be working with you all! I've spent the last week studying the legislative archives after being appointed the representative of the CWC and look forward to taking part in our shared future! The People's Republic of California happily seconds this! (I had been trying to think of something along those lines but couldn't quite piece it together)
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On the subject of this Indigenous Nations Reparations Act, many of us in the Soviet Union is somewhat alarmed that we again are moving towards particularist interests rather than a unified socialist future. What defines an "indigenous nation" by this metric? What happens to the people who may have lived centuries on the land that is now to be returned? We understand that the United States has its own circumstances that should and could be addressed, but this would add fire to every nationalist breakaway movement across Eurasia, not to mention the major ethnic and tribal conflicts in many African nations. We can wax poetic about the maps being drawn by colonial powers, but our goal should be to build one commonwealth across the planets.
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While we of the Kalmar Union agrees with the acknowledgement of the brutal history of indigenous tribes and the return of their lands (we have some of our own to adress, in fact), the construction of ComIntern facilities and infrastructure should be be contingent on them joining the ComIntern, which they should be free to choose of their own volition. If they choose to stay neutral then reparations should be limited to what can be offered through the Socialist Aid program.
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There have been some concerns raised about the Indigenous Nations Reparations Act, and I'll attempt to address them.welfarestateofmind posted:On the subject of this Indigenous Nations Reparations Act, many of us in the Soviet Union is somewhat alarmed that we again are moving towards particularist interests rather than a unified socialist future. What defines an "indigenous nation" by this metric? What happens to the people who may have lived centuries on the land that is now to be returned? I feel that this act would largely apply to the Americas and Australia. There are serious parallels between the treatment of the First Nations of the Americas and the Indigenous peoples of Australia, namely in disenfranchisement, resettlement, cultural assimilation, and poverty. They have had the lands they've lived on for countless generations taken from them by violence and abuse, their cultural and spiritual landmarks desecrated, and their culture treated as lesser and something that can be 'educated' away. It is their land, and it was their land for tens of thousands of years before European colonists arrived. The new people who live there now do so because of illegitimate treaties and violent oppression 'claiming' those lands for settlers. It would be up to the indigenous inhabitants and the settlers to come to their own understanding and agreement, as has happened in the CWC. We would be happy to advise any nation that needs guidance, and we truly believe that there is a peaceful solution to be found and peaceful future to be secured. Antilles posted:While we of the Kalmar Union agrees with the acknowledgement of the brutal history of indigenous tribes and the return of their lands (we have some of our own to adress, in fact), the construction of ComIntern facilities and infrastructure should be be contingent on them joining the ComIntern, which they should be free to choose of their own volition. If they choose to stay neutral then reparations should be limited to what can be offered through the Socialist Aid program. Comrade, we shouldn't fall into the trap of continuing colonial assimilation under a new guise. Who are we to force our frankly European ideology on peoples who have already dealt with centuries of exactly that? Let me be clear that I fully and completely believe in Socialism, but I don't think it is something that should be forced by violence, be it by the point of a gun or by economic coercion. By offering economic and technological equality, but only if they sign agreements with a foreign power that would take away their autonomy, we would merely repeat the sins of the colonial past. We in the Comintern have a level of wealth that was completely unimaginable only a short few decades ago. The best way to convince the indigenous inhabitants the truth of Socialism is generousity, not thrift. They've dealt with centuries of 'deals' and 'ultimatums'. Why can't we simply just help them, and try to make up for the suffering from the distinctly European legacy that is colonialism? Investment in TNE extraction and production in Indigenous nations, without expectation of political or ideological commitments, is a non-negotiable part of the Indigenous Nations Reparations Act. I will not budge on this. I refuse to continue colonialism under another face. zanni fucked around with this message at 22:40 on Nov 11, 2020 |
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Mister Bates posted:Yeah, I'm thinking about infrastructure right now, and something like this is coming, in addition to another one listing all previously passed legislation. What I may have to do if this level of activity continues is actually move voting off-site too using one of several utilities. *slams fists repeatedly on table* Infrastructure week! Infrastructure week! Infrastructure week!
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Antilles posted:While we of the Kalmar Union agrees with the acknowledgement of the brutal history of indigenous tribes and the return of their lands (we have some of our own to adress, in fact), the construction of ComIntern facilities and infrastructure should be be contingent on them joining the ComIntern, which they should be free to choose of their own volition. If they choose to stay neutral then reparations should be limited to what can be offered through the Socialist Aid program. That's pretty imperialist of you.
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zanni posted:Greetings from the Cascadian Workers Collective, happy to finally be working with you all! I've spent the last week studying the legislative archives after being appointed the representative of the CWC and look forward to taking part in our shared future! The NOMAD Collective seconds this proposal. Opposing it under concerns that the daughters and sons of the colonizers will be treated as the colonized were (and are) treated misunderstands the purpose of socialist organization. They are all comrades and workers and historical reparations wont come from the pockets or labour of the white workers but from the assets seized from the capitalist class first and by just and equitative distribution of good and services later on
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We should make it clear that we have no opposition to the idea of reparations, or most of the planks of the proposal. It is specifically the two planks of returning land and sovereignty that we find a troublesome political prospect, because the support of national and ethnic divisions and interests has historically been a major threat to our shared future. Our vision should be that of the late comrade Tito, of a multinational and multiethnic shared unity. I appreciate the intent seems primarily aimed at relatively modern colonial states like Australia and the United States (and we would imagine many in Latin America would apply as well) but we think the language as given is too broad, and it doesn't clarify under which circumstances that these divisions be made. An argument could be made for nearly every inch of your United States to be returned to these newly sovereign indigenous nations, including some of our fellow members states, such as yourself or the Delmarva Commonality. Consider also the Black Belt: Do these other victims of imperialism lose their own right to self-determination due to the vagaries of history, the land they occupy given to another after in many cases they have claimed it themselves? At a certain point, we will have to become the arbiters of these claims, and at the point where we decide which tribes are and aren't legitimate I feel we lose the thread of what we are building towards.
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The Indigenous Nations Reparations Act, as it is currently worded, is so enormously sweeping in its powers and vague in its criteria that it could easily lead to nationalistic ethnostates springing up around the globe. Do we really want a dozen new Israel-Palestine conflicts springing up around the world as people quibble over who is more or less indigenous and entitled to sovereignty over any given parsel of land? Minnesota is sympathetic to the injustices perpetrated upon native peoples, we were the site of the largest mass execution in US History, and Lincoln wasn't hanging white people. We will work toward reparations for crimes that may realistically never be forgivable. But we feel this will just incentivize a "blood and soil" nationalistic tribalism. Besides, there are already official channels by which native peoples can be recognized for sovereignty, with several such nations already members in good standing in the Comintern. The Southwestern Tribal Confederation and the Five Tribes Confederation come to mind in North America alone.
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Zurai posted:That's pretty imperialist of you. "From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs." The Socialist Aid program covers all the fundamental needs, and since anything additional will by necessity take away from our ongoing efforts to clean up irradiated land, support our off-world population, modernize our industry, and of course lesser interests like fighting GLADIO, we are fine with the assuming any signifiant investiture of resource comes with an expectation of reciprocal investiture of manpower or resources towards ComIntern goals. We believe people should be free to choose to join ComIntern, but it cannot be a choice if choosing 'no' has no consequences.
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Comrades, there seems to be a few fundamental misunderstandings here. First, the assertion that the CWC hasn't already 'given the land back', as it were. We are a collection of individual communities and tribal nations that cooperate together economically and politically via a system of democratic representation from the lowest level up. We found our own solution and believe that others are able to as well, if given the support and advice necessary. Secondly, the assertion 'give the land back' means mass resettlement of anyone that isn't part of a native nation. I thought this should be obvious, but the INRA's question is about ownership, not inhabitation. The native nations would get the ability to choose what to do on their own land again, choose how to use natural resources, choose what is allowable. Gone would be the days of settlers showing up with unconsented 'official' plans and an army of police at their back, ignoring the lack of consent from native nations to use their lands. No one is wanting to displace thousands of people and 'replace' them with their own 'tribe'. It is simply a return of ownership to the rightful holders, a cancellation of illegitimate treaties made at gunpoint. An end to the practice of settlers deciding what is allowed and what isn't and the indigenous inhabitants having no recourse to disagree. Thirdly, the assertation that recognizing that said treaties are illegitimate and righting this wrong is in any way comparable to the nationalistic independence movements elsewhere in the world. You are approaching this from a profoundly pessimistic and profoundly European viewpoint. Frankly, I am disappointed. Antilles posted:We believe people should be free to choose to join ComIntern, but it cannot be a choice if choosing 'no' has no consequences. I repeat again. Economic coercion used to force disadvantaged people into signing away autonomy is violence, and were the tactics that colonialism used for centuries. 'They can only be given access to our advanced technology if they agree to our demands.' This has no place in a truly equitable and global Socialist society. People do not believe in the Communist International because to do otherwise invites consequences. They do so because the Communist International offers the safety and ability to live safely, happily, and equally, regardless of who they are, where they are from, and what they can offer. Equality freely given will do more to win the indigenous nations to your side than ultimatums and coercion ever will.
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(out-of-character, as an indigenous person living on unceded reservation land, this is a super neat and interesting conversation)
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(also ooc, just wanted to make sure I'm interpreting your proposal correctly: -Returning lands to the native nations that they belong to. [Basically purely a story thing, no problem there.] -Paying monetary reparations. [Probably something to do with Wealth? Not really sure how that system works, but probably no problem there.] -Giving full assistance in rebuilding of infrastructure, agriculture, housing, and anything else needed. [This is covered by the Socialist Aid program, no problem there.] -Recognizing each indigenous nation as a lawful and sovereign independent nation. [We're all about self-governing councils, but not at least encouraging to join ComIntern is a bit odd.] -Prioritizing TNE industrial construction and development in indigenous nations. [My big sticking point. I'm interpreting this as basically building a mine, a factory, and possibly one or two other facilities I don't recall them all off-hand, and then deleting them since they're not under ComIntern control.] Is this a fair interpretation or am I off here?)
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Mister Bates posted:(out-of-character, as an indigenous person living on unceded reservation land, this is a super neat and interesting conversation) OOC: i really hope im not like WAY overstepping my bounds here, apologies if so! Antilles posted:(also ooc, just wanted to make sure I'm interpreting your proposal correctly: -Returning lands to the native nations that they belong to. [Basically purely a story thing, no problem there.] -Paying monetary reparations. [Probably something to do with Wealth? Not really sure how that system works, but probably no problem there.] -Giving full assistance in rebuilding of infrastructure, agriculture, housing, and anything else needed. [This is covered by the Socialist Aid program, no problem there.] -Recognizing each indigenous nation as a lawful and sovereign independent nation. [We're all about self-governing councils, but not at least encouraging to join ComIntern is a bit odd.] -Prioritizing TNE industrial construction and development in indigenous nations. [My big sticking point. I'm interpreting this as basically building a mine, a factory, and possibly one or two other facilities I don't recall them all off-hand, and then deleting them since they're not under ComIntern control.] Is this a fair interpretation or am I off here?) OOC: those seem reasonable! honestly i was going to just leave it to mister bates to decide, but if ends up this way, i think not deleting every TNE thing made would also be reasonable bc i definitely think at least Some would join. itd be up to mister bates to figure out what happens narratively, if the INRA gets approved!
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I'm confused about the concerns over sovereignty of the lands repatriated to indigenous tribes. Should the bill become law, it would be only executed under areas in control of the Comintern, correct? Then we would cede the lands to the respective tribes and hope they decided to rejoin the Comintern?
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Again I'm mostly concerned that given the global nature of the bill, and a given definition of "indigenous," this could lead to some 1938 Sudetenland mishaps.
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zanni posted:Secondly, the assertion 'give the land back' means mass resettlement of anyone that isn't part of a native nation. I thought this should be obvious, but the INRA's question is about ownership, not inhabitation. The native nations would get the ability to choose what to do on their own land again, choose how to use natural resources, choose what is allowable. Gone would be the days of settlers showing up with unconsented 'official' plans and an army of police at their back, ignoring the lack of consent from native nations to use their lands. I gave a specific example for a reason, so let me go even more specific: Consider Jackson, Mississippi. A center of struggle for Black radicals for the dream of a African-American polity. It is also traditionally the land of the Choctaw Nation, which was resettled in what is now the Five Nations Confederation. Do we as the Comintern demand that the land and resources that was acquired in struggle by these radicals be returned in stewardship to the Choctaw Nation? I understand that in your view that does not necessarily mean displacement, but it does mean a denial of self-determination and self-governance, as it will replace their structures with another's. This is what we see as the inherent contradiction of particularist fights such as this. At a certain point, history will provide contradictory claims, and we feel that this ignores the promise of a future without such national barriers. Just as we resisted the idea of a fully sovereign Lunagrad, so too do we in principle oppose the formation of more sovereign states within the Comintern, or providing statutory justification. You may think my viewpoint is Eurocentric, but you stated this applies to every continent, so forgive me if I consider it from the context of my own and how the law as given would affect us politically.
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ooc: Decolonization would mostly apply to places that have been colonized by white european polities from the 15th to the 19th century is my guess, with specific exceptions like Saami people in Finland or colonizalist japanese projects in the late 19th and early 20th century. If this proposal passes our fictional commintern has the resources to deal with the process with nuance, since, for instance, decolonizing a majority mestizo, quechua and aymaran countries in southamerica is a different process than dealing with regions where the original population was displaced and the majority are the descendants of the colonizers. Decolonization is a complex process even in countries like mine (Perú) where we are theoretically decolonized since 200 years ago but we still carry a lot of their wounds and we are only recently seeing some active decolonization processes like empowering local languages besides spanish, recognizing native sovereinigty and customs and trying to descentralize, which is an ardous process with pushback because racism/classism/centralism but in Aurora LP we can do it better and faster
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zanni posted:Secondly, the assertion 'give the land back' means mass resettlement of anyone that isn't part of a native nation. I thought this should be obvious, but the INRA's question is about ownership, not inhabitation. The native nations would get the ability to choose what to do on their own land again, choose how to use natural resources, choose what is allowable. Gone would be the days of settlers showing up with unconsented 'official' plans and an army of police at their back, ignoring the lack of consent from native nations to use their lands. Thing is, if you assume that the late-comer settlers are allowed to stay where they are, and that they have a right to democratic self-determination like anyone else, a lot of the original inhabitants will end up minorities in their "own" land anyway. If they have a profoundly different vision for how to run it, and what treaties and etc. to keep and scrap, they might well not actually be given a chance to implement said vision because the settler majority will just overrule them in the various democratic organs of the new state. So it feels like if you don't resettle the settlers, the original residents might not actually harvest any benefit unless you allow them some form of society where the later settlers are second-class citizens with less democratic powers. The only place where it feels like the natives would gain any real benefits of self-determination would be if they were given control of areas where they're already the ethnic majority, but it seems like that would mostly result in a bunch of economically fragile enclaves that might well have a hard time surviving, in the way of very small states everywhere, without resorting to being tax havens or otherwise attempting to become the lowest local bidder for something to ultimately the detriment of themselves and everyone in the region.
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I do not see how any plan regarding ownership or inhabitation of native lands doesn't end up with vastly increased instability, either from forcibly resettled "colonizers" now sent to a country they've never known, or from minorities in their own land failing to reap the benefits of their own de-colonization. Forced relocation for any purpose plays into the hands of GLADIO and capitalist propaganda. As noble a goal as these may be, I would suggest that redressing the wrongs of the last four centuries is perhaps beyond the scope AND the means of the ComIntern. Not unless you want to plunge the world into a balkanized mess of tiny nations or ethno-states. You're playing with fire beyond our means to control. Better that we look forward to the future.
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ooc: My support for decolonization is envisioning a bit less, I suppose. I'd like to imagine a world where some BS from my hometown is impossible (a Chumash burial ground got mostly bulldozed for a Wal-Mart, apart from 1.5 acres preserved after much negotiation. 1.5 acres completely surrounded by the parking lot, which is certainly not what I'd want for the graves of my ancestors). Well, that crossed with the recent efforts of real-life California to assist in the return of sacred sites to tribes. Full autonomy is perhaps extreme, but the kind of fight we're having now is half the fun of a you play!
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the Meanijin Commune agrees that Indigenous sovereignty should be recognized but suggests the details be left to individual Comintern member polities on the grounds that top-down policy made with the best of intentions will still cause contradictions and increase the likelihood of inequitable or unenforceable outcomes. Perhaps the legislature could set aside funds for an impartial body to help resolve disputes between tribal groups and member polities in these matters?
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Redressing the past sins of colonialism and imperialism is a noble endeavor, however I fear the ComIntern lacks the ability to constructively fix those transgressions without creating further tragedy or ineffectual microstates unable to truly deliver what marginalized populations truly deserve. At present the best we can do is support marginalized communities by ensuring their language and culture are given the chance to recover and with any luck grow. In due time, I am certain the ComIntern will be able to offer more; orbital habitats where marginalized groups can rebuild their ways and population. One day, perhaps even portions of entire worlds beyond the star of our birth.
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zanni posted:I repeat again. Economic coercion used to force disadvantaged people into signing away autonomy is violence, and were the tactics that colonialism used for centuries. 'They can only be given access to our advanced technology if they agree to our demands.' This has no place in a truly equitable and global Socialist society. Oh sure, we'll disband the diplomatic corps because apparently basic diplomacy is imperialist violence, and in any case not the right approach to convince people to join us. Then, once we've postponed every other project for a couple of years to bootstrap every indigenous nation in the world to full TNE-utilizing capability, why don't we turn our attention to the Arabic League? Apparently offering them a fuel refinery is pure imperialism, we should just give them one. Hell, give every nation in the League one, along with all our Sorium stock for good measure. As soon as that's done, it's a shame Japan's languishing from an old conventional industry base, we should upgrade it for them, mines, factories, whatever they want. And if any of these newly-modernized nations decide they want to go to space, well, we've four space stations, surely we can give away one or two to help bootstrap it for them? In the name of equality? No. What we offer unconditionally, to every being on Earth and beyond, is shelter, food, water, healthcare, education, entertainment, and a chance to contribute. Any other needs they have that require TNE resources, factory time or the like, we can and should expect them to contribute however they're able in exchange for the fulfilment of that need.
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Nov 12, 2020 04:16
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There have been some good points raised, along with some.. exaggerated responses.. but I think, on reflection... parts of my proposal and the logic behind them was flawed. HiHo ChiRho, thatbastardken, and Rubix Squid especially raise valid points. As a result, I would like to retract my previous proposal, and instead introduce a new bill. It would share a lot with the defunct INRA, but with a few key differences. The Indigenous Restitution and Protection Act would include: -Paying monetary reparations to indigenous peoples affected by colonialism, such as the First Nations of North America, Aboriginal peoples of Australia, and other native groups that have had their culture and wellbeing endangered by cultural assimilation, disenfranchisement, and economic exploitation. -Offering full assistance via the Socialist Aid program to said affected communities. -Creating an official ComIntern organization to guide decolonization efforts among ComIntern nations, including advisement, mediation, and representing a unified decolonialist front. -Creating an additional ComIntern organization to facilitate the regrowth and preservation of Indigenous culture, language, and beliefs, including services such as reclamation of looted cultural artifacts, indigenous language courses, preservation and protection of important cultural and spiritual sites, and to encourage a dialogue with Indigenous peoples and the larger Socialist sphere. -Offering training programs in TNE-specific industrial and scientific applications for employment in MOSA and related agencies. I hope that this will better suit the Committee.
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Nov 12, 2020 05:04
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The delegation from the Kalamazoo Workers Assembly are happy to join the Comintern. Regarding the current debate, we agree in part with both positions. Globally, the last half millennium has seen the forces of unrestrained capitalism impose incredible harms on countless populations in search of profit. Indigenous peoples and the global south have born the brunt of this burden. We have an obligation to ensure that patterns of unequal development and exploitation are not replicated as we move to our glorious future. Yet, the solution is not “better” nationalism—it is less nationalism. It is a society where socialist abundance and the end of the settler’s legacy of toxic ethnonationalism break the idea that we must pit workers against one another. The KWA’s overarching concern is that the process of building this shared future is going to require dedicated and persistent forums that include all North American workers. We respect the role of the Comintern but we must stitch our continent back together as a step towards universal, stateless, communism.
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zanni posted:There have been some good points raised, along with some.. exaggerated responses.. but I think, on reflection... parts of my proposal and the logic behind them was flawed. HiHo ChiRho, thatbastardken, and Rubix Squid especially raise valid points. In case it's needed, the NOMAD Collective seconds this proposal
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