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The hype for the new Miles Morales PS4 videogame got me to read the Bendis stuff for the Ultimate Universe...and it was rough. Is that better remembered than the 616 run he had after Secret Wars? I liked the first run, but the crossovers were pretty mediocre and the last ongoing, before Secret Wars, was just bad. At least the current book by Saladin Ahmed is fun; it has a very "how do you do fellow kids?" vibe, but overall I like it.
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radlum posted:The hype for the new Miles Morales PS4 videogame got me to read the Bendis stuff for the Ultimate Universe...and it was rough. Is that better remembered than the 616 run he had after Secret Wars? I liked the first run, but the crossovers were pretty mediocre and the last ongoing, before Secret Wars, was just bad. I think the character was more popular than the book. Ultimate Spider-Man 200 and the first Spider-Men were good though.
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Nov 10, 2020 01:10
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I'd only heard good things about Bendis' run with Miles. Is it not actually that good? Or has Bendis' whole Ultimate Spidey run just aged poorly? I haven't touched it in probably a decade.
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Nov 10, 2020 01:31
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My main issue with the first series is that Miles takes a while to actually become Spider-Man (though to be fair, Ult. Peter Parker also did) and Miles never gets his own enemies (besides Ult. Prowler and maybe Ult. Scorpion), but the supporting cast and Miles himselft are good enough to make for an interesting run. The second series lasted 12 issues, it has 5 issues dealing with Ult. Peter and Ult. Green Goblin, 2 issues with a flashback story for Miles' father, and the last issues are pretty lame and end with a whimper before Secret Wars happens.
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Nov 10, 2020 01:46
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Remember when Bendis became infatuated with characters recounting the events of the comic as if they were being interviewed after the fact? And then entire issues would just be made up of talking heads? Good times.
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Nov 10, 2020 02:19
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Professor Dog posted:Remember when Bendis became infatuated with characters recounting the events of the comic as if they were being interviewed after the fact? And then entire issues would just be made up of talking heads? Good times. People were so confused that issue #7 of Secret Invasion ends right before the climactic showdown between our heroes and the Skrull hordes, and issue #8 starts with Captain Marvel talking to someone about the crazy battle that had just happened. Why waste time on pages of action when a short conversation will do! A founding member of the Avengers died in that fight!
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Nov 10, 2020 02:29
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I've got a 39 page single-spaced essay entitled "Things Bendis Did" that I would like to share with you all now. Let's begin; "Robert Reynolds was a sympathetic character..."
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Nov 10, 2020 02:30
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The only real problem I had with Bendis writing Miles, both in Ult and after the switch to 616, is that he really fell in love with Miles' shock power. I mean, to an extent I get it, you're trying to introduce a new Spider-Man and you want to show he's different, so give him a new power to give him a more unique fighting style besides webs and punches. But eventually it was the solution to every fight he was in and everyone jobbed to it up to and including motherfucking Blackheart. I'm glad subsequent writers have used it as a tool in his arsenal instead of as the win button it was introduced as.
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Nov 10, 2020 07:13
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Professor Dog posted:Remember when Bendis became infatuated with characters recounting the events of the comic as if they were being interviewed after the fact? And then entire issues would just be made up of talking heads? Good times. This is how every issue of his LoSH run starts. I'm reading month by month and it's annoying, so I dread to think how it'll feel reading it in trade.
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Nov 10, 2020 12:06
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radlum posted:The hype for the new Miles Morales PS4 videogame got me to read the Bendis stuff for the Ultimate Universe...and it was rough. Is that better remembered than the 616 run he had after Secret Wars? I liked the first run, but the crossovers were pretty mediocre and the last ongoing, before Secret Wars, was just bad. Miles is a good idea and had a really strong debut but everything between that and Spider-verse was kinda bad. Nilbop posted:I'd only heard good things about Bendis' run with Miles. Is it not actually that good? Or has Bendis' whole Ultimate Spidey run just aged poorly? I haven't touched it in probably a decade. It piles on the misery to an unhealthy degree and gets derailed with weird SHIELD plots and then loving Peter Parker comes back to life and hijacks the book for a while. It's not the worst comic ever but it certainly doesn't live up to what people expected out of the character.
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Nov 10, 2020 12:25
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I really liked Ultimate Spider-Man, but as awesome as Miles is, the book was better with Peter if only because Peter had time to breath and get fleshed out. As others have said, Mile's story gets interrupted too often by his dad's SHIELD background, Peter's sudden and pointless return, and Secret Wars. Also, it becomes ridiculous how many threatening villains end up being defeated by his zap power alone.
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Nov 10, 2020 18:04
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I only just finished Ultimate Spider-Man and I still don't believe Peter came back. I read it, and you're all saying he did, but it is so baffling that it didn't seem real. Like in a way I kind of love the audacity of it that Bendis is like, superheroes and villains are pretty much immortal the way we treat them so let's make it textual ok? But the story just gave this constant vibe of Peter being an impostor that I was always waiting for the other shoe to drop.
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Nov 10, 2020 19:58
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Lobok posted:I only just finished Ultimate Spider-Man and I still don't believe Peter came back. I read it, and you're all saying he did, but it is so baffling that it didn't seem real. Like in a way I kind of love the audacity of it that Bendis is like, superheroes and villains are pretty much immortal the way we treat them so let's make it textual ok? But the story just gave this constant vibe of Peter being an impostor that I was always waiting for the other shoe to drop. I think Bendis knew that his tenure at Marvel and the entire Ultimate universe was coming to an end and he wanted to give his baby, the pillar of that universe, a happy ending. And I mean that's fair but it sure sucked to read. Honestly the book lost me because of how they handled the Prowler. I really thought Miles would take the best of his cat burglar uncle who understood the law doesn't protect everyone equally and his cop dad who believes in justice and fair play and it'd be like this interesting nuanced thing. Instead his uncle turned out to be 100% evil scum and Miles accidentally murdered him. It wasn't fun to read. And honestly considering how much they make a point of addressing the racial injustice in his backstory it came off a little tone deaf to make him so overtly evil. Lurdiak fucked around with this message at 20:08 on Nov 10, 2020 |
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Nov 10, 2020 20:04
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My issues with Miles is that he’s now permanently loving tied to any Spider-Verse shenanigans and they’re ALWAYS doing spider-verse shenanigans and holy loving poo poo just let him have his own god drat it. Even NOW in his current story he’s still dealing with Ultimate shenanigans. gently caress.
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Nov 10, 2020 20:12
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Lurdiak posted:I think Bendis knew that his tenure at Marvel and the entire Ultimate universe was coming to an end and he wanted to give his baby, the pillar of that universe, a happy ending. And I mean that's fair but it sure sucked to read. Yeah because it definitely didn't feel like a happy ending. Didn't even feel like Peter. It was just hey, I'm back but let's not make a big deal out of it. Oh drat the cat's out of the bag, well I dunno, you're Spider-Man now so I'll just wander off into the sunset and go be like 616 Ben Reilly in the Lost Years I guess. Everything you know about life and death is wrong, toodles!
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Nov 10, 2020 21:01
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Huh. That Peter Parker fellow sure is in a pickle this week.
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Nov 11, 2020 01:40
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Lurdiak posted:I think Bendis knew that his tenure at Marvel and the entire Ultimate universe was coming to an end and he wanted to give his baby, the pillar of that universe, a happy ending. And I mean that's fair but it sure sucked to read. Yeah, it felt like Bendis wanted his Peter to get a happy ending...even if it meant derailing his other creation's ongoing series...looking back, it feels very much like parental favoritism and it kind of sucks, specially now, that Miles is still relevant and the Ultimate Universe is best left forgotten. Also, rereading the early issues of Bendis's run, I was surprised at how awful Prowler was. Thankfully Ahmed's run makes him a very flawed man, that still cares a lot about Miles and Jeff.
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Nov 11, 2020 01:48
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Just had to explain King in Black to one of my regulars who saw the poster on the door. He doesn't read any Cates stuff but he does read a lot of Marvel. My pitch follows. "You know Venom? Well imagine in Space there is a big Venom who created all the Venoms. This big Venom is bad, and he is going to I guess invade earth with an army of Venoms. Everyone will be fighting various Venoms for a few issues. At some point normal Venom and Thor will likely team up and fight big Venom." I think that is pretty much it, right?
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Nov 11, 2020 16:52
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Taskmaster #1 is amazing. Our boy Vulpes did it again, folks.
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Nov 11, 2020 17:03
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Lord_Hambrose posted:Just had to explain King in Black to one of my regulars who saw the poster on the door. He doesn't read any Cates stuff but he does read a lot of Marvel. My pitch follows. You forgot the most important part, where space venom is boring and he should just buy like, Black Cat or something instead.
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Nov 11, 2020 17:19
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I think most readers wish that Knull was just, in fact, A Big Venom.
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Nov 11, 2020 17:29
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His SWORD is Big Venom. He is the living embodiment of the null that existed before Galactus started the Big Bang. The biggest missed opportunity for the biggest X-over
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Nov 11, 2020 17:30
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Vince MechMahon posted:You forgot the most important part, where space venom is boring and he should just buy like, Black Cat or something instead. Thank God for King in Black: A Black Cat Story #1 then. Launching a book as a tie in is a death sentence, but it isn't like Black Cat was a super healthy book before. A book I really love, certainly, but it has never done great at my store. Taskmaster was is on track to do really well at least. If people only bought good books the industry would just collapse.
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Nov 11, 2020 17:33
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Harold Fjord posted:His SWORD is Big Venom. He is the living embodiment of the null that existed before Galactus started the Big Bang. his sword is made from zak’s scary poncho Squizzle fucked around with this message at 17:46 on Nov 11, 2020 |
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Nov 11, 2020 17:42
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Lord_Hambrose posted:Huh. That Peter Parker fellow sure is in a pickle this week. You're not wrong.  I know he's not actually gonna stay dead, but seeing him get his neck snapped was pretty goddamn brutal.
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Nov 11, 2020 18:40
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They did the lame twist in Marneus Calgar, but it's only the second issue so I guess it's going to have more story significance than just being a twist.
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Nov 11, 2020 21:16
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Gripweed posted:They did the lame twist in Marneus Calgar, but it's only the second issue so I guess it's going to have more story significance than just being a twist. I think Gillen was a massive fan of Games Workshop stuff and miniatures war games in general for years, so I'd trust him to do something interesting with it.
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Nov 11, 2020 21:20
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BrianWilly posted:I think most readers wish that Knull was just, in fact, A Big Venom.  It's time for Planet of the Symbiotes 2. Pull the trigger, Marvel!
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Nov 11, 2020 21:29
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Harold Fjord posted:His SWORD is Big Venom. He is the living embodiment of the null that existed before Galactus started the Big Bang. How can nothing be embodied be embodied by something? Every single thing I hear about Knull makes him sound dumber and dumber, and I know it’s only going to get worse because Donny Cates is writing it so every issue people will be going “Knull is the most dangerous and terrifying threat we’ve ever faced, even more than [cites specific examples from popular storylines].” And then he’ll allow himself to get killed.
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Nov 11, 2020 21:31
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Nilbop posted:How can nothing be embodied be embodied by something? Please show more discretion, it is obvious you have seen the leaked script for [EVENT]
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Nov 11, 2020 21:37
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I haven’t even mentioned the part where the less-successful non-white hero tragically died to establish the stakes. You had a good run ... (throws dart) ...Riri Williams!
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Nov 11, 2020 21:41
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JordanKai posted:
Planet of the Symbiotes 2: The Planet IS The Symbiote.
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Nov 11, 2020 21:48
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Nilbop posted:I haven’t even mentioned the part where the less-successful non-white hero tragically died to establish the stakes. I would be very shocked if Riri, Kamala, or Miles died in an event comic unless it was a fake out or they were brought back in the very next issue. I could see them icing Sam Alexander though. Has he been in anything recently?
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Nov 11, 2020 21:49
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Skwirl posted:I would be very shocked if Riri, Kamala, or Miles died in an event comic unless it was a fake out or they were brought back in the very next issue. He showed up for the Outlawed stuff.
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Nov 11, 2020 21:59
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Skwirl posted:I could see them icing Sam Alexander though. Has he been in anything recently? Oh definitely could see him dying at any moment. The important bit of event writing is trying to find a character people recognize to kill off who is popular enough to make people feel something but not so popular that they can support their own title. Remember, when Hulk died in Civil War 2 (?) it was at a point where nobody gave a poo poo about him at all and his book had just ended anyway. He was brought back as a zombie by the Hand in the very next storyline!
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Nov 11, 2020 22:04
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JordanKai posted:Taskmaster #1 is amazing. Our boy Vulpes did it again, folks. Thanks, JordanKai!
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Nov 11, 2020 22:36
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Nilbop posted:How can nothing be embodied by something? In cosmic Marvel nothing is as embodied as everything is.
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Nov 11, 2020 22:54
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Yvonmukluk posted:You're not wrong. I can remember when Spider-Man fought a villain called Fusion who did the same thing. Broke his neck at the end of the issue. Peter still beat him.
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Nov 11, 2020 23:00
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I'll second that Taskmaster is good. Slightly confused by the ad for X-Factor #1 (on sale April) in it, were these printed in March and Marvel's been sitting on them?
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Nov 11, 2020 23:02
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So I just wanted to ask; do people actual like this "Kindred" story? I decided to hop on the last handful of issues of Amazing Spider-Man to get a feel for it and ... this is bad. This is like embarassingly bad. This is the kind of wrote, cliche-filled, retrodden forgotteable story that pushes me away from comics. Except with this story it's been presented as this significant moment, given it's lead-up and placement? I'm aware this is probably more a critique of Nick Spencer than Kindred but the two go hand in hand. I mean I don't want to go into further details considering the latest issue just came out but ... yikes.
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Nov 11, 2020 23:13
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