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Ethiopia is arming up big time for a Tigray conflict. We are looking at a civil war here, folks.
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Nov 5, 2020 18:08
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KOTEX GOD OF BLOOD posted:Ethiopia is arming up big time for a Tigray conflict. We are looking at a civil war here, folks.
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Nov 5, 2020 18:28
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KOTEX GOD OF BLOOD posted:Ethiopia is arming up big time for a Tigray conflict. We are looking at a civil war here, folks. I beg, links please. I believe what you're saying, but for the kind of reader that I am it's actually hard to figure out where to look for news updates that aren't months old.
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Nov 5, 2020 19:15
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Spacewolf posted:I beg, links please. I believe what you're saying, but for the kind of reader that I am it's actually hard to figure out where to look for news updates that aren't months old.
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Nov 5, 2020 19:26
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Spacewolf posted:I beg, links please. I believe what you're saying, but for the kind of reader that I am it's actually hard to figure out where to look for news updates that aren't months old. The internet and phones are shut down and there seems to be very little information coming out of Tigray. https://www.crisisgroup.org/africa/horn-africa/ethiopia/ethiopias-clash-tigray-getting-ceasefire-and-national-dialogue
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Nov 6, 2020 01:28
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Spacewolf posted:I beg, links please. I believe what you're saying, but for the kind of reader that I am it's actually hard to figure out where to look for news updates that aren't months old. apologies in advance for being insensitive, but are you nigerian? I beg, (abeg) is a signficiant vocal tic there that i picked up and can't kick
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Nov 6, 2020 07:50
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Tigray appears to have seized northern command headquarters, and there’s unconfirmed reports that the troops and equipment have either been captured or switched sides. https://mobile.twitter.com/HarunMar...447732766019592 Abiy also had to move the federal forces from Western Oromia. He needed Oromo Liyu Police to keep OLF in check though Liyu's loyalty is in question. This is probably the cause of the massacre of Amhara civilians that happened a few days ago.
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Nov 6, 2020 09:19
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Airstrikes in Mekelle and other towns in Tigray. Here’s an in depth article. https://foreignpolicy.com/2020/11/05/is-ethiopia-headed-for-civil-war/
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Nov 6, 2020 09:23
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So the Amhara villages were slaughtered because Tigrayans/their elite could no longer stomach Abiy Ahmed's Oromo-Muslim premiership or reforms, I'm guessing?
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Nov 6, 2020 09:28
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Grouchio posted:So the Amhara villages were slaughtered because Tigrayans/their elite could no longer stomach Abiy Ahmed's Oromo-Muslim premiership or reforms, I'm guessing? What? No, he withdrew troops to attack Tigray so the OLF attacked an Amhara village in revenge for a belief that Oromo university students were attacked in Amharia. Abiy isn’t Muslim, he’s a Pente. Islam and Christianity are syncretic. There are no religious tensions in Ethiopia (outside of everyone hating Pentes)
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Nov 6, 2020 09:38
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i say swears online posted:apologies in advance for being insensitive, but are you nigerian? I beg, (abeg) is a signficiant vocal tic there that i picked up and can't kick nope
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Nov 6, 2020 16:22
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Abiy seeking international support for the "law enforcement operation" https://twitter.com/AbiyAhmedAli/status/1325432994635591682?s=19 Also reports that has Abiy has cleared house today and replaced the chief of staff, head of the NISS and federal police commissioner with personal loyalists - definitely digging in kustomkarkommando fucked around with this message at 16:05 on Nov 8, 2020 |
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Nov 8, 2020 15:57
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kustomkarkommando posted:Abiy seeking international support for the "law enforcement operation" The Nobel Committee really has to spend more time when they give out the Peace Prize, just to see if the Peace actually loving lasts. Or if any Peace actually comes from it. And not give loving Henry Kissinger one of them, even if he offered to return it, which frankly, they should have accepted.
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Nov 8, 2020 17:22
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RagnarokZ posted:The Nobel Committee really has to spend more time when they give out the Peace Prize, just to see if the Peace actually loving lasts. Well technically the peace prize was for negotiating the treaty with Eritrea and the immediate transitional amnesties alongside pretty successfull contributions from Abiy in Sudan. The reapproachment with Eritrea is holding to such a degree that now the worry is that a second front will open between the TPLF in Tigray and the Eritreans closely aligned with Addis (there's already some unconfirmed reports of shelling from on the border)
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Nov 8, 2020 18:40
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RagnarokZ posted:The Nobel Committee really has to spend more time when they give out the Peace Prize, just to see if the Peace actually loving lasts.
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Nov 8, 2020 19:09
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Toplowtech posted:It's named after Alfred Nobel and he created it after people believed him falsely dead and articles about "The merchant of death" being dead started to appear. Theres some confusion I think, it's actually a "best customer" award
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Nov 8, 2020 20:16
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To be fair Abiy also made a ton of domestic political reforms.
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Nov 8, 2020 22:13
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kustomkarkommando posted:Well technically the peace prize was for negotiating the treaty with Eritrea and the immediate transitional amnesties alongside pretty successfull contributions from Abiy in Sudan. Isn’t there a lot of bad blood still between the Eritrean government and the TPLF? Even though the Eritrean President is also Tigrayan. There’s a lot of old tension left over from the civil war time that never got resolved, despite the shared ethnicity.
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Nov 9, 2020 09:21
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Squalid posted:Isn’t there a lot of bad blood still between the Eritrean government and the TPLF? Even though the Eritrean President is also Tigrayan. There’s a lot of old tension left over from the civil war time that never got resolved, despite the shared ethnicity. Yeah they still very much do not like each other, bad blood from the civil war and some profound ideological differences aside (the TPLF supporting multinational federalism based on ethnicity in opposition to Eritrea's more centralised post-colonial nationalism as well as some real crusty left-wing arguments from back when the TPLF where open Hoxha supporters and accused the Eritrean government party of being revisionists) the TPLF being the dominant faction in government during the war and Tigray being front and centre in the fighting has left some more immediate animosity. I don't think Eritrea are gonna cross the border any time soon to help Addis but if the forces under the TPLF find themselves under pressure from a federal advance pushing across the border into Eritrea becomes a possibility for them I think if the stories about large scale defection in the Ethiopian Northern Command are true.
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Nov 9, 2020 14:11
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The Ethiopian government brought some journalists up to the Northern Command base in Dansha they've apparently retaken and sent them back down south again quite promptly, seems like the surrounding area is still contested. Reuters with the back room chit chat on fatalities Reuters posted:A military official in Amhara, on the side of the federal troops, told Reuters that clashes with Tigrayan forces in Kirakir had killed nearly 500 on the Tigrayan side. https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-ethiopia-conflict/hundreds-killed-in-escalating-ethiopian-conflict-sources-say-idUKKBN27P0L2
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Nov 9, 2020 19:44
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https://www.usnews.com/news/world/articles/2020-11-09/ethiopians-including-soldiers-flee-escalating-conflict-to-sudan Several Ethiopians, including army soldiers, fled the escalating conflict in the restive Tigray region to neighbouring Sudan on Monday, Sudanese state media and residents said. The flare-up in the northern region bordering Eritrea and Sudan has killed hundreds of people, Ethiopian sources on the government side said, even as the prime minister sought on Monday to reassure the world his nation was not sliding into civil war. The worsening conflict threatens to destabilise Africa's second most populous nation, where ethnic conflict has already killed hundreds since Prime Minister Abiy Ahmed took over in 2018. https://en.halbeeg.com/2020/11/10/ethiopian-soldiers-flee-to-sudan-after-clash-with-tigrayian-forces/
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Nov 10, 2020 11:02
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PawParole posted:Ethiopia This really surprised me, I would have expected that to be Egypt, with Kongo, Kenia or South Africa in third place. Guess I know less about Africa then I thought.
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Nov 10, 2020 13:46
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ethiopia's really fertile and at a pleasant altitude, its small towns are probably a lot closer together and more populated than other areas
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Nov 10, 2020 13:49
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President of Tigray/Chairman of the TPLF accusing Eritrea of launching an offensive and crossing the border - Eritrea denying this of course
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Nov 10, 2020 14:28
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MonikaTSarn posted:This really surprised me, I would have expected that to be Egypt, with Kongo, Kenia or South Africa in third place. Guess I know less about Africa then I thought. kenia? kongo? I'd place somalia at around 30 mill, but otherwise this list seems accurate. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_African_countries_by_population kustomkarkommando posted:President of Tigray/Chairman of the TPLF accusing Eritrea of launching an offensive and crossing the border - Eritrea denying this of course my sources are denying it too PawParole fucked around with this message at 16:04 on Nov 10, 2020 |
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Nov 10, 2020 15:55
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https://twitter.com/AUC_MoussaFaki/status/1326100751534452737Reuters posted:Ethiopia said on Tuesday that peace talks are only possible with Tigray’s local government if military hardware is destroyed, federal officials are released from custody and leaders of the region are arrested. We are open to negotiation once we have won...
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Nov 10, 2020 18:50
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https://twitter.com/rcoreyb/status/1326487139278843904?s=19 Big unknown in all of this does still remain how much of the military, if any, has defected to the TPLF - this is the first admission I've seen that some rather senior officers colluded with them at the least. It's still hard to pick out truth from false information what with the communications black out and the twitter war of opinion but the arrest of several journalists being confirmed does give some credence to the reports of Tigrayans being interned circulating
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Nov 11, 2020 15:05
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kustomkarkommando posted:https://twitter.com/rcoreyb/status/1326487139278843904?s=19 It’s pretty much a known fact that the northern command defected to Tigray. It’s one of the causes of the war, that they placed Tigrayan loyalists in command of it, and refused to let Abiy appoint officers.
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Nov 11, 2020 18:50
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By the way, there is an active war in Western Oromia where a large section of the Ethiopian army had to vacate. Oromo are attacking Amhara 'settlers'.
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Nov 11, 2020 18:53
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PawParole posted:It’s pretty much a known fact that the northern command defected to Tigray. It’s one of the causes of the war, that they placed Tigrayan loyalists in command of it, and refused to let Abiy appoint officers.
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Nov 11, 2020 19:00
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PawParole posted:By the way, there is an active war in Western Oromia where a large section of the Ethiopian army had to vacate. Oromo are kicking out Amhara 'settlers'. Have you seen how the Oromo protest movement is generally falling rhetoric wise on this? I've seen a mix of "fascist Abiy and his Amhara minions brutally suppressing regional autonomy" and "gently caress the TPLF, chickens coming home to roost etc" from different people but generally that's taking a back seat to Tigrayan activists claiming genocide and anti-federalists blaming the TPLF for secretly bankrolling all ethnic movements to undermine the government. Just wondering if this is gonna help the Prosperity Party in the elections in Oromia if/when they actually happen
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Nov 11, 2020 19:08
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In non-ethiopia newsDaily Maverick posted:With an arrest warrant out for him and facing corruption charges, ANC secretary-general Ace Magashule will stay in office even after his Friday court appearance. Really making Ramaphosa look a complete loving fool here
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Nov 11, 2020 19:37
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kustomkarkommando posted:In non-ethiopia news
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Nov 11, 2020 19:42
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https://twitter.com/AFPAfrica/status/1326935789591212033 Abiy trumpeting victories in Western Tigray which cuts the TPLF off from Eastern Sudan, which is a pretty big deal as this is their only feasible supply route for a protracted conflict. UN already raising the alarm about the closure of humanitarian corridors into Tigray as well as the swelling number of refugees amassing in Sudan. TPLF seems to have moved to mass mobilization in response: BBC Africa posted:Residents of Ethiopia's northern Tigray region have been ordered to mobilise by authorities who say they must "defend" themselves from "flagrant aggression" from the federal government... Perhaps most worryingly Amnesty International have independently verified some of the grisly photos circulating of mass killings in the regions captured by federal forces... quote:
https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/n...n-tigray-state/ little snippet in an AP piece where they managed to speak with someone fleeing the fighting: AP posted:Filimon, who gave only his first name, said those attacking the Tigray regional town of Humera last week came from the direction of nearby Eritrea, though it was impossible to know whether the attackers were Eritrean forces. Federal authorities also confirming the stories that had been circulating for a while of mass round-ups in the Addis Ababa: Fana BC posted:Addis Ababa Police Commission stated that it has arrested 242 individuals who have been allegedly recruited by the TPLF Junta to cause terror in the capital.
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Nov 12, 2020 19:50
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i say swears online posted:ethiopia's really fertile and at a pleasant altitude, its small towns are probably a lot closer together and more populated than other areas There aren't that many small towns really except on the few major paved roads. Otherwise, every hundred km or so you'll get a trading village of maybe 1000-2000 people. In between, there will be a never-ending series of little tiny communities of 10-20 huts, continuously, every kilometer, and as far as the eye can see, with terraced farming going up the highest mountains. The whole countryside if you go off the few main paved roads looks like this, in which you can see a small community in the foreground, and a few other tiny communities in the background—none of which even reach the size that you would call them 'villages' (no church even). Getting to school or to market is not easy, as you can probably imagine.  which is a photo I took near the border of Tigray and Amhara earlier this year, halfway between Sekota and Korem. The image is high res if you click and open it in a new window for full size, you can really pick out the tiny communities far into the distance thanks to the reflective metal roofs on newer constructions. This was at the tail-end of dry season so everything looks like much more marginal farming land than it actually is. Saladman fucked around with this message at 17:45 on Nov 14, 2020 |
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Nov 14, 2020 17:41
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yeah those tiny places add up. there are places in central-western nigeria where i could spin around and not see a sign of people, but it was rare. the rift valley and nile continuation to the north definitely have a higher rural population than other areas of the continent
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Nov 14, 2020 17:48
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i say swears online posted:yeah those tiny places add up. there are places in central-western nigeria where i could spin around and not see a sign of people, but it was rare. the rift valley and nile continuation to the north definitely have a higher rural population than other areas of the continent
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Nov 14, 2020 18:11
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that's a bonus! I had all the oregon trail diseases in nigeria edit i was confronted with people i know experiencing infant mortality because of class differences more than once, which was pretty devastating i say swears online fucked around with this message at 18:28 on Nov 14, 2020 |
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Nov 14, 2020 18:25
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https://twitter.com/willintune/status/1327675677429161986?s=19 Well that'll definitely internationalise things If they ain't already Reports of three rockets, comes after both federal forces and the Tigrayan government confirmed missile attacks on the airport at Gondor and threats to strike at Asmara from the TPLF kustomkarkommando fucked around with this message at 19:33 on Nov 14, 2020 |
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Nov 14, 2020 19:19
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i say swears online posted:yeah those tiny places add up. there are places in central-western nigeria where i could spin around and not see a sign of people, but it was rare. the rift valley and nile continuation to the north definitely have a higher rural population than other areas of the continent Yeah, I wasn't disagreeing with you even if it sounded like that. Highland Ethiopia has a great climate, good land, low insect disease load, and has been historically pretty stable. The lowlands of Ethiopia in contrast are basically unpopulated:  vs.  First one is population density, second one is elevation.
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Nov 14, 2020 21:58
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