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I don't know if I'm just jaded but even well meaning remembrance day poppy stuff makes me feel nauseous these days. Like old school friends posting 'neva 4get' shite on Facebook actively makes me think less of them. It's probably a me thing, really.
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Nov 11, 2020 19:49
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Borrovan posted:
Ikr? This bothers me too me a liiittle piece of me thinks "if I give this charity money there'll be less pressure for the government to do it like it should" That's why most of my charity goes out of the country tbh
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Nov 11, 2020 19:50
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Paul.Power posted:Personally I just don't put any salt on. I like them that way. MODS???
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JeremoudCorbynejad posted:Ikr? This bothers me too me a liiittle piece of me thinks "if I give this charity money there'll be less pressure for the government to do it like it should" If you apply your charity locally you get to enjoy the benefits too 
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Nov 11, 2020 20:10
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I have a friend who always ate the Salt n Shake crisps, he has nephrotic syndrome so they were the only crisps he could eat.
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Nov 11, 2020 20:15
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I really love plain NON SALTED crisps which is not the easiest thing to get, Tyrrells do the best imo.
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Nov 11, 2020 20:23
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Try dipping salt and vinegar crisps into vindaloo curry sauce, the two flavours meld together most excellently
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Nov 11, 2020 20:45
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https://twitter.com/tonitwopint/status/1326366784736227328?s=12 It’s just not stopping.
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Nov 11, 2020 20:46
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Jose posted:salt and shake are shite because the whole point is you add the salt and other flavourings while they the oil is still hot so it adheres to the surface. salt and shake you just get saltless crisps and a pool of salt in the bottom of the bag after That's why you can't stop shaking it.
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Nov 11, 2020 20:54
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MonkeyLibFront posted:This, there has been a significant change in how it's conducted these days and that corresponds to the amount of people who have passed on, the thing is is most of those serving remember fairly dignified and then maybe have a booze up on the Sunday to those who have passed on to green fields, the bloaters in the poppy suits and the gammons can all get in the sea. I'd just rather single out those that have turned it to a right wing dog whistle / celebration. BalloonFish posted:The ceremony at the Cenotaph and your local village war memorial and the two-minute silence isn't (I assume) what the thread means when it talks about 'War Christmas'. It's everything else - the crass commercialisation and celebratory stuff which, increasingly seems to exist mostly to fill a spot on the shelves in between the pumpkins, witches' masks and fake cobwebs and the tinsel, wrapping paper and Santa hats. When I first went to services it was because my grandad went, and it was obvious that in large part the service was for the benefit of the very old men in their uniforms and for the men like him in their 60s in their Sunday best with medals above the pocket, for people who had lost friends, school friends, mates down the pub when they all joined up, comrades, for their widows too. Loss that deserved remembering respectfully. Almost all those people are no longer with us, and there's a lot of kids now young enough that they've never grown up with someone like that, their entire knowledge isn't even second hand, and there's people who have moved here who remember in different ways, or even observe different things (e.g. 11 Nov is Independence Day in Poland). So that hits right into the terrified heart of the English nativist, that "we're becoming the minority" through the lens of the suspicion that someone somewhere, probably a Pole or Muslim, is Disrespecting the Poppy right now. And that's leading to an explosion of War Christmas BS. It'll probably be a literal one at least once being so close to Fireworks Night, some idiot will do something with a bunch of rockets and paper poppies that they intend to be patriotic but will end up with a bunch of poppies on fire and internet madness results or some poo poo. The military services will continue, the services at Westminster Abbey will continue, and there'll be a bunch of people who always tune in because it's seen as the done thing. But I think eventually it'll get quieter after it gets louder.
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Nov 11, 2020 21:07
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Yeah, unless we get another massive war to the extent that it has a major and lasting cultural impact, poppy day will eventually just peter out. But in between it'll be a massive symbol of nationalistic and militaristic fervour that fascist types will exploit.
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Nov 11, 2020 21:16
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Guavanaut posted:I've been thinking about this, and I think there's more than just the crass commercialization of capitalism eating everything and more than just the gammons virtue signalling, there's also a crisis at the heart of who Remembrance Day is actually for in the wider public sphere. This is a very good post. On thinking about it, I agree. Not so long ago Remembrance Day/Sunday was mostly for those who had directly experienced the wars - of course 100 years ago when it started that was entirely who it was for and it included the entire population, of which the big majority of the male population had directly served in the forces. That then gets 'topped up' in WW2, and in the 50s and 60s it's a big majority of the population who have directly experienced and been affected by war whether on active service or some sort or as a civilian. There was never any thought given to the idea that people wouldn't want to commemorate or remember, and society could tick along on the basis that even if you don't actively participate in the services and events you're going to remember the war(s) - and not just on 11/11 - because you lived through it in some way. And you're not going to fail to respect the dead and those who fought because everyone is, in some way, part of that group. What we're seeing now (aside from the commercialisation of everything and the desire to push new narratives now that Harry Patch is dead) is the post-war generations coming to the fore, whose Respect For Are Boys can't be taken amongst themselves as implicit because the vast proportion of them haven't fought in a war. On some level they collectively understand this so they have to demonstrate that they're not ignorant or disrepectful of the history, the victims and the veterans by being totally OTT with all the symbols and acts and virtue signals they can. Remembrance is at the stage where it has become a choice because its current generations remembering those of the past, not really generations looking back at those from the same generation that have been lost. If you're too subtle or inward in your remembrance people might think that you don't know about the Blitz and don't care what Grandad went through - because it's conceivable that that might be the case - and that has to be avoided, so everyone goes overboard with the Poppy Merch. Plus, in the past someone not wearing a poppy or failing to bow at a sufficient angle near a cenotaph or whatever was almost certainly still a veteran of some war or other, so you couldn't really berate them or question their respect. Now with all the culture war poo poo anyone might actually be a Millenial Cultural Maoist Corbynite SJW or a Militant Islamist Sharia Terrorist who wants to Bum The Poppy.
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Nov 11, 2020 21:29
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Remembrance has by and large become a cargo cult of remembrance. People are doing the thigns they saw their elders do to remember... something vitally important that they didn't understand at the time... so the symbols they used for it must have been vitally important. Not the topic.
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Nov 11, 2020 21:32
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I think the ovine royal rumble earlier suggests that for a lot of people they project their emotional connection to their parents or grandparents directly onto the remembrance day and approach it with all the nuance they do their relationship to their dead relatives. Which is to say like a brick through a window.
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Nov 11, 2020 21:34
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NotJustANumber99 posted:You know all those students whose a levels we hosed about with? And then charged them a fortune to go to their uni halls before immediately blaming them for everything and locking the doors behind them? I think the intro here sums up the situation well https://wonkhe.com/blogs/a-christmas-miracle-dfe-guidance-on-student-travel/ quote:In essence the Department for Education’s plan to get students home for Christmas is simple.
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Nov 11, 2020 21:36
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People have a general idea that war demands sacrifice from the civilian population - rationing, melting down your railings, getting the occasional half-ton of high explosives landing on your house, that sort of thing. The idea that young people were fighting and dying to preserve our way of life in Iraq and Afghanistan (I know, I know, I'm talking perception here) with no sacrifice from the civilian population - in fact a fairly long-lasting consumer boom following the dotcom crash (again, perception, not reality) - sets up a cognitive dissonance in the minds of people who aren't completely lead-brained. Solidarity of a kind *does* exist in the mind of the average Sun reader, even if it's twisted into some incredibly weird shapes in neoliberal hellworld. The way this has been resolved - with of course the collusion and encouragement of the powers that be - has been to make performative caring about ARE BRAVE BOYS basically a religion at this point. This lets people off the hook, conscience-wise - as long as they get the big poppy, and the Help For Heroes lanyard, and go all Princess Diana about Wooton Basset, they feel absolved of their sins. Any apostate is to be crushed in case they make the Bad Thoughts come back.
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Nov 11, 2020 21:41
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I wonder if people in the 1910s before WW1 were still sombrely marking the anniversary of Waterloo every year and berating anyone who approached the day without the requisite seriousness.
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Nov 11, 2020 21:43
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Every celebration or remembrance becomes distorted and a faint imitation of itself given enough time. Easter is now about chocolate eggs. Christmas is now about getting gifts, pretending to care about family, and stuffing yourself silly. Halloween changed into many forms, now its about kids getting sweets. St. Patrick's Day is now about getting pissed and wearing green. In 300 years they will be going 'They used to wear red plastic flowers and stand out in the rain to celebrate this day you know. Weird people back then. Now get your poppy custard pie and fling it at grandma to see how much she gets in her mouth!'
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Nov 11, 2020 22:01
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OwlFancier posted:I think the ovine royal rumble earlier suggests that for a lot of people they project their emotional connection to their parents or grandparents directly onto the remembrance day and approach it with all the nuance they do their relationship to their dead relatives. Which is to say like a brick through a window. Ovine relates to sheep not eggs...  (can't find the teacher one).Mind you, I can't think what the egg equivalent would be. (Don't think 'ovate' does the business though I might be wrong.) 
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Nov 11, 2020 22:06
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Ovular, I guess? Sheep are just self propelled eggs anyway.
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An absolutely wonderful idea from the governments friends at deutsche bank: Staff who work from home after pandemic 'should pay more tax' let's get to the crux of the issue posted:By working from home, people aren't paying for public transport or eating out at restaurants near their places of work, while expensive offices remain virtually empty.
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Nov 11, 2020 22:11
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ThomasPaine posted:I wonder if people in the 1910s before WW1 were still sombrely marking the anniversary of Waterloo every year and berating anyone who approached the day without the requisite seriousness. Well of course WWI marked a massive change in the way we viewed war (and soldiers). In Britain, soldiers were viewed by the general public the way that Mail readers think Guardian readers view soldiers - at best with extreme suspicion, at worst with active contempt. Military victories were celebrated (and defeats were remembered in the weirdest ways, big stands at football grounds became known as Spion Kops after a big hill in South Africa where the Boers gave us a particularly vicious slapping), but there was no general concept of national mourning of the dead. Conscription, and the unimaginable horrors of industrial warfare (and the frantic need for the ruling classes to distract from the massive, unfeeling incompetence in the way the war was fought) are why we now have a national day of remembrance. Of course even then the idea that remembrance would prevent a recurrence of those horrors was undermined in the way the war was actually remembered. The poppy - originally a fairly subversive way of showing solidarity with those killed at the Somme - was co-opted Earl Haig, who had more Tommy blood on his hands than any German general. The Tomb of the Unknown Warrior - originally proposed as a demonstration of just how many soldiers died without any grave - became a martial celebration, with the unknown corpse having every military decoration in the world pinned to him. The monumental navel we all stare at in November, the Cenotaph, isn't inscribed "Never Again" or even "Sorry guys, we really hosed this up", but instead "THE GLORIOUS DEAD". Before Wilfred Owen was even cold, the establishment were already pushing the dulce et decorum line completely unironically, and in a way not a lot has really changed since then.
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Private Speech posted:An absolutely wonderful idea from the governments friends at deutsche bank: Am I terrible for thinking this isn't an awful idea? Those of us who are lucky enough to be able to work from home generally are better off and I definitely have more disposable income now I'm not getting the tram and buying lunch out every day. Makes sense that I could be expected to pay more tax to subsidise those who can't wfh.
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^^^It is an awful idea - the companies save on rent and utilities or have just outright made bank because they become a vital lifeline to a huge section of society, the WFH bear some extra financial costs as well as risk emotional harms from the extra isolation of WFH. It is in no way reasonable to 'balance' this with a tax on workers.Private Speech posted:An absolutely wonderful idea from the governments friends at deutsche bank: quote:"A lot of people aren't impressed at the idea of another tax, however, some have seen it as an interesting policy that governments can use to redistribute some of the gains from the pandemic which have been unexpectedly accrued by some people while others have lost out." You mean taxing billionaires, CEOs of major distribution companies and the companies which no longer need giant offices? No obviously not, I mean people who now need to pay for their own heating and electric during the day they're the real winner here! namesake fucked around with this message at 22:19 on Nov 11, 2020 |
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Nov 11, 2020 22:16
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Meanwhile, in North London: https://twitter.com/ozgurhass/status/1326614681193156608
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Nov 11, 2020 22:20
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goddamnedtwisto posted:Meanwhile, in North London: Did the cop car manage to do a perfect parking job to stop the flames spreading to the vehicle or did the guy just mess up? Either way I wonder what that's all about.
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Nov 11, 2020 22:24
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namesake posted:^^^It is an awful idea - the companies save on rent and utilities or have just outright made bank because they become a vital lifeline to a huge section of society, the WFH bear some extra financial costs as well as risk emotional harms from the extra isolation of WFH. It is in no way reasonable to 'balance' this with a tax on workers. I mean yes tax billionaires and landlords out of existence obviously, I just don't see how also taxing those of us in the petite bourgois to fund public transport, etc. for the working class is a bad idea?
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I think the WFH extra tax needs a lot more thought. Why not just properly tax the googles, amazons etc? I notice it says the employers will pay the tax not the employees. EG I have a friend who is a graphic designer and is paying rent and business rates for offices he hasn't been able to use for 6 months. He doesn't want to be working from home - his shared flat is quite small - but circumstances mean he has to. As ^^ said, people WFH (if their homes are usually unoccupied during the day) will be paying extra heating, lighting - especially now it's dark by 5pm and the weather's getting colder (and this is something that those hating on folk on benefits often forget especially when many are vulnerable or got small kids and need the extra heating etc but I digress) even something as daft as extra coffee/tea/milk which are provided free in many offices. Disclosure: I've been based at home for years now and anything I earn is declared on my self-assessment form so am unlikely to be affected. Jae's Manifesto for Leadership of the Sensible Left Party Point 1: They should expand the idea of employers paying the tax to any of their employees who are claiming any sort of 'benefits' - add up all benefits paid out to their employees and add it to the companies' tax bills because if you're working full-time you really shouldn't be earning so little that you need financial support. (Part-time would need some extra thought). Re WFH (Nb this isn't the only little plan being floated by govt advisors - there's another one to cut CGT to £2k pa and that, coupled with a floater from a few weeks back that CGT should be payable on sales of your main home will hit a LOT of people). They're going after the wrong people with these ideas. Jaeluni Asjil fucked around with this message at 22:29 on Nov 11, 2020 |
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Nov 11, 2020 22:26
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namesake posted:Did the cop car manage to do a perfect parking job to stop the flames spreading to the vehicle or did the guy just mess up? There's another vid going about showing the petrol didn't reach the car and the cop car stopped about six feet short.
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a pipe smoking dog posted:I mean yes tax billionaires and landlords out of existence obviously, I just don't see how also taxing those of us in the petite bourgois to fund public transport, etc. for the working class is a bad idea? Because why start this tax anywhere but at the very top where by observation and economic analysis they need the money less? It's just a way of ruining any talk of improving services or increasing taxes to tackle wealth inequality because you're starting the conversation by getting workers to fight against each other about the scraps between them. Rejecting the starting premise of this tax is important and isn't a rejection of the idea of helping people who need it. Jaeluni Asjil posted:I think the WFH extra tax needs a lot more thought. Why not just properly tax the googles, amazons etc? I notice it says the employers will pay the tax not the employees. Ah okay missed that particular bit. It's still nonsense though, why link an income tax to supposed societal contribution? Or rather, why stop there and link it to everything so that financial speculators get a 200% income tax? namesake fucked around with this message at 22:32 on Nov 11, 2020 |
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Jaeluni Asjil posted:Ovine relates to sheep not eggs... ThomasPaine posted:I wonder if people in the 1910s before WW1 were still sombrely marking the anniversary of Waterloo every year and berating anyone who approached the day without the requisite seriousness. If you went around demanding people be silent and respectful rather than letting off fireworks and doing marching bands people would think you were some kind of French sympathizer or religious weirdo.
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goddamnedtwisto posted:Meanwhile, in North London: Probably not the strangest thing to happen in Edmonton Green this week. Grim place. The first fatal stabbing in the UK one year happened at around 1:45am, just round the back of that police station.
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goddamnedtwisto posted:There's another vid going about showing the petrol didn't reach the car and the cop car stopped about six feet short. I always hated the petrol trail missions in gta5
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Jaeluni Asjil posted:Mind you, I can't think what the egg equivalent would be. (Don't think 'ovate' does the business though I might be wrong.) Ovule, but I think thats plants. Private Speech posted:An absolutely wonderful idea from the governments friends at deutsche bank: "A 5% work-from-home (WFH) tax on an average $55,000 salary works out at about $10 a day in the US. For the UK, the tax equates to about £7, based on a salary of £35,000." 1. These are the same dumb fuckers who gave Trump $2 billion in loans so they forfeit any right on financial advice forever. 2. You have to pay for your own heating, electricity, food, at home that wouldn't be used if you were in work. 3. £35 a week for the luxury of not catching and dying due to Sandra the receptionist believing masks are fake science, gently caress off.
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Failed Imagineer posted:I just assume there were Catholic priests at their pulpits condemning ready-salted crisps as a gateway to onanism, hence the sachet to spare the virtuous
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Nov 11, 2020 22:49
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ThomasPaine posted:I don't know if I'm just jaded but even well meaning remembrance day poppy stuff makes me feel nauseous these days. Like old school friends posting 'neva 4get' shite on Facebook actively makes me think less of them. It's probably a me thing, really. Reply to their posts with "F".
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Z the IVth posted:Reply to their posts with "F". In the FB world I inhabit that means 'following'. Is that what it means to you here or is there a more subtle, perhaps darker, reason?
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There was one of the Call of Duty games that was released, oh, maybe a decade ago at this point. Very big blockbuster videogame. It had a scene at the start where your character is at a funeral for a soldier, and it had the best button prompt in all of videogaming history. "Press F to Pay Respects" So now, "F" has become a meme for expressing extremely insincere condolences.
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