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Optimus Subprime posted:yeah this is nothing new it’s just that the gap between the political culture and material deprivation is greater than it was 30 to 40 years ago Yeah, what college meant in the 70s isn't really the same as what it means now- as it is, it's currently considered a prerequisite(though most certainly not a guarantee) of a stable, US middle-class life- enrollment numbers are huge these days.
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Panzeh posted:Yeah, what college meant in the 70s isn't really the same as what it means now- as it is, it's currently considered a prerequisite(though most certainly not a guarantee) of a stable, US middle-class life- enrollment numbers are huge these days.  But yes certainly college in the 70s isnt the same as college now, although it wasn't too far off either. The role of college as a pre-req was a little more cemented by 1980 and is pretty close to comparable today. Xaris has issued a correction as of 11:32 on Nov 11, 2020 |
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Xaris posted:Enrollment has actually been falling and its a problem for universities, and well COVID ofc is even bigger but enrollment peaked around 2006~2011 which is when most millennials were coming of age Interesting! I suppose COVID and the delayed effect of the recession is doing a number on it.
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Those are pre-covid numbers but also the picture is a little more bleak in a lot of fallign enrollment has been taken up by pushing for more international student acceptance, which hve been majorly on the rise. in part because state schools can charge $$$$$$$$$ for them, but also helps plug up falling enrollment Probably one of the largest reason is demographic changes in there was a tapering of births after ~1991 so of course it would peak out around ~2010  as an aside, i'm surprised it peaked so hard in 2008. guess obama got everyone horned up and preggo thats just getting off on a well, actually tangent. colleges are definitely liberal indoctrination centers, albeit, not in the way fox news uses, but more in that it produces the consumers of the likes of robin diangelo Xaris has issued a correction as of 11:42 on Nov 11, 2020 |
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Finicums Wake posted:it's pretty cool, though maybe a bit overhyped, both in terms of how good it actually is and how formally experimental it is. overall, the book has a lot of fat on it (e.g. much of the johnny truant parts or w/e his name is), and should have been edited down a bit. but, because it was one of the first books that made me fall in love with literature back in highschool, i still have a bit of a soft spot for it, and reread it every few years ah yeah i remember the johnny truant parts now...i ended up skipping a lot of them cos the prose was so drat purple
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Panzeh posted:Interesting! I suppose COVID and the delayed effect of the recession is doing a number on it. I don't have any actual numbers but my mom is a college professor and from what she's told me from her own college and friends at other colleges, things are hosed. Enrollment hasn't gone down, it has plummeted.
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Gripweed posted:I don't have any actual numbers but my mom is a college professor and from what she's told me from her own college and friends at other colleges, things are hosed. Enrollment hasn't gone down, it has plummeted. ours was really down, and then we canceled virtual classes and it actually rose compared to pre-plague years
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https://twitter.com/TommSciortino/status/1326524578139570179 I saw this guy being incredibly not-mad at Matty B and just had to share
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gh0stpinballa posted:ah yeah i remember the johnny truant parts now...i ended up skipping a lot of them cos the prose was so drat purple Gripweed posted:I don't have any actual numbers but my mom is a college professor and from what she's told me from her own college and friends at other colleges, things are hosed. Enrollment hasn't gone down, it has plummeted. My spouse is public school employee. Pretty much all the recently graduated students she knows that were planning on going to college are taking a gap year. None of them wanted to go into debt just to potentially be stuck with online classes when their check to the university clears.
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i wish i had spent my max student loan dispursement cycling around europe
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huh weird wonder if this is related  almost as if tuition is intentionally being massively raised to maintain college education as a class signifier
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college is useless. do like me, drop out and devote your time to mastering the art of swordsmanship.
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i'd be curious to know what is counted as tuition in that stat. because the college i went to and work at prices itself on having not raised tuition in 15 years, which is true. instead they have jacked up the prices of everything else to compensate, from dorms to meal plans to books and parking, tech/bus fees etc. and then they require you to live on campus and have meal plans for the first 2 years so lol
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uber_stoat posted:college is useless. do like me, drop out and devote your time to mastering the art of swordsmanship. I have two katanas that I duel wield. When the coup happens and the fighting starts, I will defend my people
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Serf posted:i'd be curious to know what is counted as tuition in that stat. because the college i went to and work at prices itself on having not raised tuition in 15 years, which is true. instead they have jacked up the prices of everything else to compensate, from dorms to meal plans to books and parking, tech/bus fees etc. and then they require you to live on campus and have meal plans for the first 2 years so lol Yeah I didn't have to pay for any classes due to scholarships, but I'm still in debt thanks to everything else
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tuition at my state tech school was reasonable for in-state residents but hoo boy, that everything else though. those meal plans, books, room + board, "activity fees", etc. are what really hurts and we were mandated to stay the first two years in the dorms unless you joined a frat, so they at least bled you for that long. longer if you couldn't find a cheap house or apartment to split
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The thing about the US educational system is that even though the US has one of the highest rates of college completion on earth, it still has one of the highest college premiums on earth. Because, as said above, college is a class marker in the US. Prestigious colleges even more so. College enrollment by income quartile in the US:  Selectivity of college enrolled:  I am a broken record about the prestige thing, but it's because it is a very, very glaring problem in the existing punditry about free college. Pundits love talking about how in the US you have more low income students enrolled in college than European and Latin American countries with free or low cost tuition. But that is because they keep grouping up community college students in the US with the rest to talk about that. So they will talk about how in Norway most poor kids don't attend college, but that is mostly because in most data trade schools in europe get classified as trade schools, while community colleges in the US get classified as colleges.
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Tarence and Tom were on the patreon episode of Citations Needed this week to talk about Hillbilly Elegy. 
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i say swears online posted:i wish i had spent my max student loan dispursement cycling around europe I wish I ever got to see any money from my student loans, as I never got them for anything other than tuition
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uber_stoat posted:college is useless. do like me, drop out and devote your time to mastering the art of swordsmanship. ah, fine teacher, but let me show you this kata I call it, "The Bullet That Cuts The Katana"
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lol "weird hyper-educated post-modern Protestantism" is a pretty good descriptor
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i listen to a podcast called the cspam podcast thread, i use tts software to give every poster itt an unique voice and listen to it live as people post.
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T-man posted:i listen to a podcast called the cspam podcast thread, i use tts software to give every poster itt an unique voice and listen to it live as people post. what's my voice sound like? this is vital to my self esteem so please be dishonest
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sqeaky voiced idiot, same as the others
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well gently caress you and ufck ur stupid babby brained loving podcast thread podcast it's a loving dumb dumb idiot way of experiencing the podcast thread
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T-man posted:i listen to a podcast called the cspam podcast thread, i use tts software to give every poster itt an unique voice and listen to it live as people post. [_<1,13>]we're[_<1,18>]whalers[_<1,17>]on[_<1,18>]the[_<1,20>]moon[_<400,13>]we[_<1,20>]carry[_<1,18>]a[_<1,20>]har[_<1,22>]poon
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Doc Hawkins posted:[_<1,13>]we're[_<1,18>]whalers[_<1,17>]on[_<1,18>]the[_<1,20>]moon[_<400,13>]we[_<1,20>]carry[_<1,18>]a[_<1,20>]har[_<1,22>]poon
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https://twitter.com/AliceAvizandum/status/1323947223885991936?s=19 https://twitter.com/AliceAvizandum/status/1323948228212072448 Virgil Texas of the Chapo Trap House Podcast's beliefs have been disproven so I shall now become a cop.
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Nanomashoes posted:https://twitter.com/AliceAvizandum/status/1323947223885991936?s=19 lmao so this is who leslie lee 3 was talking about
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https://twitter.com/AliceAvizandum/status/1066089326105243648?s=20 https://twitter.com/AliceAvizandum/status/1075652353871753216?s=20 Assad curse strikes again. Instead of dying or losing an election, I guess for a podcaster it means adopting the Syrian government's talking points.
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T-man posted:i listen to a podcast called the cspam podcast thread, i use tts software to give every poster itt an unique voice and listen to it live as people post. aeiou aeiou aeiou aeiou aeiou aeiou aeiou john madden
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Mr Hootington posted:Who is this weirdo? white trans convert to Islam that converted twitter shitposting into a podcasting grift and has now decided to go full ecofascist
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Taintrunner posted:white trans convert to Islam that converted twitter shitposting into a podcasting grift and has now decided to go full ecofascist Adult convert?
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Taintrunner posted:white trans convert to Islam that converted twitter shitposting into a podcasting grift and has now decided to go full ecofascist lmfao
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Why are people who convert as an adult always so loving weird?
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AnimeIsTrash posted:Why are people who convert as an adult always so loving weird? BABY FINLAND lol
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She's funny on the podcasts, but apparently really dumb on twitter. A common affliction for podcasters.
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Mr Hootington posted:Adult convert? yes. look, I’m sure some or probably even most white adult converts to Islam are totally fine or whatever, but good lord does it sure produce some lunatics that find their way into the spotlight also she seemed to treat being a Muslim woman as a bit of a fetish, like non-white Muslim women getting pissed at her for making a mockery of their faith and traditions for the sole purpose of chasing orgasm just pure brainworms
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Taintrunner posted:yes. Lmao Adult converts to any religion should not be trusted.
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