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petitioning to change the thread title to: "M1 A1. Thousand miles an hour."
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Ok Comboomer posted:petitioning to change the thread title to: "M1 A1. Thousand miles an hour." this is good
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Nov 11, 2020 23:36
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Very clever.
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Nov 11, 2020 23:45
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I feel like I have been pulled into the field. I’m excited to get a new laptop and I want to see what it will do. But I think that I’m gonna cancel the order and wait for the reviews.
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Nov 12, 2020 00:15
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ptier posted:I feel like I have been pulled into the field. I’m excited to get a new laptop and I want to see what it will do. But I think that I’m gonna cancel the order and wait for the reviews. oh no, now you have angered the ghost of Stebe.
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Nov 12, 2020 00:18
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Ok Comboomer posted:petitioning to change the thread title to: "M1 A1. Thousand miles an hour." Yeah I second that second But I dunno if there are any mods who give a poo poo about this thread
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Nov 12, 2020 00:18
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Ok Comboomer posted:oh no, now you have angered the ghost of Stebe. Steve could buy an entire factories output of new balance sneakers, I cannot.
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Nov 12, 2020 00:33
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Mac Hardware - Here's to the brave ones who buy first gen
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Nov 12, 2020 00:38
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ptier posted:I feel like I have been pulled into the field. I’m excited to get a new laptop and I want to see what it will do. But I think that I’m gonna cancel the order and wait for the reviews. coward
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Nov 12, 2020 01:04
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My 16in has crap battery life but it’s never away from a desk especially now so I’m convincing myself that it was a good idea to buy one
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Nov 12, 2020 01:12
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ElehemEare posted:coward Fair. But it’s a Mac, so if it looks good I’ll just buy it again and it’ll ship normally.
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Nov 12, 2020 01:21
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movax posted:(re 20 PCIe lanes) I suspect they're not there. The M1's specs and limitations suggest it's the same tapeout as the eventual iPad Pro version of A14. If I'm right, they took their iPad Pro feature list and added just enough I/O to support low end Macs. So they've got a chip which can be bonded out as M1 or A14X, without too much dark silicon either way. Crunchy Black posted:little.BIG is basically a NUMA environment already so as much as I WTF'd at this statement when I first read it, with unified mem per proc it makes way more sense than I'd like to admit. NUMA is way different, both hardware and software. I personally doubt we'll see Apple implement NUMA. It's a hell of a lot of work to get it correct and fast on the silicon side, and they can just as easily put that effort into multiple tapeouts with more cores per chip for the products which need lots of cores. Note that even on Intel, Apple noped out of NUMA a long time ago - the only NUMA Macs were the Mac Pro 4,1 and 5,1. Beyond the 5,1 they decided that the number of cores you could pack into one chip had become enough to satisfy the Mac market. Because so few Macs were NUMA, I don't think Apple ever got real serious about NUMA optimization in the kernel. For ideal NUMA performance, you want to locate each thread on the CPU cluster where most of the memory it touches resides. Trying to coordinate things between memory allocation and the scheduler is tough. big.LITTLE is just scheduler changes. FCKGW posted:I think it's going to be worth waiting for reviews before shelling out for extra memory. It's a completely different architecture from the previous Macbooks so comparing 8gb of ram on Intel vs 8gb integrated ram on the actual Apple Silicon SOC doesn't really make sense. On the one hand, M1 Macs won't have Intel integrated video carving out an unswappable chunk of system memory to call its own. (On my 16GB late-2013 rMBP, it grabs 1.5 GB. Probably less than that on 8GB Intel models.) Less memory overhead for the integrated video is a benefit of unified memory architecture. On the other, ARM64 is a less dense instruction set encoding than AMD64, and there will be more memory overhead for Rosetta processes. I suspect it's a net win on the low end 8GB and 16GB Mac configs which are getting M1, but we'll see.
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Nov 12, 2020 02:11
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ptier posted:Steve could buy an entire factories output of new balance sneakers, I cannot. all that says to me is that you've angered a very powerful ghost
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Nov 12, 2020 02:55
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My new 16" MBP showed up today, and I've been enjoying using it so far, but I noticed that the serial number shows up as "eligible to purchase AppleCare" when I check it. I included AppleCare+ in my order, so I'd expect to show as already active. Does it sometimes take a bit to show up on a serial number?
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Nov 12, 2020 04:41
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Kreeblah posted:My new 16" MBP showed up today, and I've been enjoying using it so far, but I noticed that the serial number shows up as "eligible to purchase AppleCare" when I check it. I included AppleCare+ in my order, so I'd expect to show as already active. Does it sometimes take a bit to show up on a serial number? You have to activate it, there should be a code in the package.
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Nov 12, 2020 04:44
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Ok Comboomer posted:You have to activate it, there should be a code in the package. Hmmm. They didn't send me any documents or e-mails with registration info or anything. I just have this in my order and in my order e-mails. 
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Nov 12, 2020 04:50
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Y'all have maybe seen but Geekbench for the new base MacBook Air is 1687 (single-core) 7433 (multi) which is significantly faster than my 2019 16" MBP. The single-core performance is better than any other available Mac. On a $999 computer! Life is truly crazy.
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Nov 12, 2020 04:50
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Intel being revealed to have peaked in the mid 2000s or whatever is a pretty funny thing.
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Nov 12, 2020 04:52
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Kreeblah posted:Hmmm. They didn't send me any documents or e-mails with registration info or anything. I just have this in my order and in my order e-mails. Lol, guess that changed in the years since I last remember doing it Maybe you gotta sign into your Apple ID? You probably did that already. I haven’t got a clue
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Nov 12, 2020 05:08
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Ok Comboomer posted:Lol, guess that changed in the years since I last remember doing it I just called them. Sounds like something got hosed up in my order, since they need to get a ticket escalated to some AppleCare-specific team to get it sorted out.
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Nov 12, 2020 05:17
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Kreeblah posted:I just called them. Sounds like something got hosed up in my order, since they need to get a ticket escalated to some AppleCare-specific team to get it sorted out. https://youtu.be/rjA5A86V6SY
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Nov 12, 2020 05:22
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grahm posted:Y'all have maybe seen but Geekbench for the new base MacBook Air is 1687 (single-core) 7433 (multi) which is significantly faster than my 2019 16" MBP. The single-core performance is better than any other available Mac. On a $999 computer! Life is truly crazy. if this ends up being legit and reflecting real-world performance then lmao 
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Nov 12, 2020 05:26
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Spime Wrangler posted:if this ends up being legit and reflecting real-world performance then lmao
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Nov 12, 2020 05:28
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Spime Wrangler posted:if this ends up being legit and reflecting real-world performance then lmao If that does pan out for non-benchmark stuff, I guess I'll be returning this 16" to wait for the ARM version and getting a cheap netbook or something for my Windows needs.
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Nov 12, 2020 05:32
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Kreeblah posted:If that does pan out for non-benchmark stuff, I guess I'll be returning this 16" to wait for the ARM version and getting a cheap netbook or something for my Windows needs. Mac Hardware - Oh god ARM is here, now I feel bad!
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Nov 12, 2020 05:54
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Crunchy Black posted:The fact that they don't have "eGPU 'support'" is absolutely BONKERS. It has to have a PCIe root complex for Thunderbolt, so....why!? This seems like something that should be hackable-on via kext but is being phased out because, ofc, kexts are on the way out and it makes Hackintoshes easier. it's not 'supported' because none of the AMD driver kexts were compiled for arm64e as of the Big Sur GM. so theres nothing that precludes it from working in the future, at least
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Nov 12, 2020 06:15
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FCKGW posted:I think it's going to be worth waiting for reviews before shelling out for extra memory. It's a completely different architecture from the previous Macbooks so comparing 8gb of ram on Intel vs 8gb integrated ram on the actual Apple Silicon SOC doesn't really make sense. the ipad and iphone can run with low amounts of system memory because they aggressively background anything that isn't the foreground app. even safari ejects idle tabs from memory and has to reload them pretty frequently. the ram usage isn't indicative of more efficient architecture, just an operating system that strictly restricts any kind of concurrency
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Nov 12, 2020 06:40
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I have 500 tabs open in safari on my iPhone 6S. And this isn’t remotely the first time I’ve hit that limit. 500 tabs. WTF is wrong with me.
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Nov 12, 2020 06:42
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A tab on an iPhone is just a bookmark.
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Nov 12, 2020 06:45
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jokes posted:Intel being revealed to have peaked in the mid 2000s or whatever is a pretty funny thing. How much of this is actual architectural advantages, and how much of it is using a 5nm process compared to a very shaky 10nm one (for the intel Macbooks)?
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Nov 12, 2020 06:46
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American McGay posted:A tab on an iPhone is just a bookmark. Yeah that’s pretty much why I have 500. Lots of bookmarks tho too.
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Nov 12, 2020 06:47
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American McGay posted:A tab on an iPhone is just a bookmark. As it should be. Maybe all you weirdos with 100s of tabs will finally see the light.
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Nov 12, 2020 06:50
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Mister Facetious posted:How much of this is actual architectural advantages, and how much of it is using a 5nm process compared to a very shaky 10nm one (for the intel Macbooks)? tsmc's 5nm has an edge over intel's 10nm but less than is implied by the feature size. it's barely ahead in density. apple designed a core for monstrous integer operation perf and succeeded
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Nov 12, 2020 06:59
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Costco put the Intel Air and entry MBP on heavy discount if anyone still wants to pick up an Intel Mac. Between $150 and $250 off Apple pricing, comes with 2 year warranty too.
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Nov 12, 2020 07:01
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Pulcinella posted:Mac Hardware - Oh god ARM is here, now I feel bad! I mean, it was always my backup plan if I either couldn't get an MBP specced out like I wanted, or if the ARM Macs ended up being significantly better than the Intel ones. I just . . . didn't expect that second part to be true. Besides, I don't need to get a new computer right now. My late 2013 15" MBP works just fine, so I can wait a couple years for the early adopters to do Apple's beta testing. I just wanted to make sure I wouldn't regret missing the boat for the end of the Intel Macs.
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Nov 12, 2020 07:26
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Jonathan Morrison just had a great video about the M1 and attacked Linus tech tips over it too. Worth a watch
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Nov 12, 2020 07:38
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LionArcher posted:Jonathan Morrison just had a great video about the M1 and attacked Linus tech tips over it too. With a watch yeah, Linus was like offended and angry that Apple would put “an iPad chip in a Mac and charge money for it” it’s really weird and I was really liking LTT of late and now I hope he ends up eating those words in a week, for our sake as probable Apple Silicon buyers more than anything really. Maybe this winds up pissing people off about all the things their iPads still can’t do and it lights a bigger fire under apples rear end to really push iPad os
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Nov 12, 2020 07:54
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I don’t know how you fix the iPad multitasking paradigm without breaking usability for casual tablet users. The current approach even with keyboard/trackpad is clumsier than a laptop once you have multiple apps running in the foreground and background.
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Nov 12, 2020 08:28
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some huge need expertise here about chip design - who knows about software migration? how involved is it for a typical third party software developer to get running on an arm mac? like, properly. is the ppc-intel transition the most comparable situation and if so what was that even like?! it was so long ago
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Nov 12, 2020 08:37
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Deep Glove Bruno posted:some huge need expertise here about chip design - who knows about software migration? how involved is it for a typical third party software developer to get running on an arm mac? like, properly. by all accounts this one’s been much easier so far. Keynote had ppl saying “one day!” and “ten minutes!” but ofc that’s keynote. plus there’s that whole “some x86 apps even run faster on emulation in Rosetta 2 than on intel” thing Craig was all smug about in the keynote maybe some apps never get ported until Apple forces the developer’s hand or maybe Rosetta 2 sticks around in Mac OS forever (unlikely) and some apps never get ported (some apps will never get ported, this is true)
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Nov 12, 2020 08:50
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