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Killingyouguy! posted:HI, I'm not American, what is wrong with this phrase? I Googled 'Democrat party' and it only came up with the correct party, the worst thing I could find was a conservative party from Turkey that can be translated that way? It’s a cultural signifier. Only the worst sorts of people, and apparently ignorant foreigners, call it “the Democrat party”. Don’t ask me why, but that’s how it works.
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Hippie Hedgehog posted:Your honor, I would like to nominate this chart for awful/funny graphs and charts, please. My favourite part of this graph is the Democrats getting significantly less "people-centric" from 2000 to 2018.
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Nov 13, 2020 15:25
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vyelkin posted:My favourite part of this graph is the Democrats getting significantly less "people-centric" from 2000 to 2018. Politifact rates this “pants on fire”. Corporations are people, and the Democrats are a centered around them as they ever were.
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Nov 13, 2020 15:32
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Killingyouguy! posted:HI, I'm not American, what is wrong with this phrase? I Googled 'Democrat party' and it only came up with the correct party, the worst thing I could find was a conservative party from Turkey that can be translated that way? Wikipedia has an article on this https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democrat_Party_(epithet)
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Nov 13, 2020 15:37
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Nov 13, 2020 15:39
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Platystemon posted:It’s a cultural signifier. Is there an equivalent for Republican party? I'm also not American and I frequently hear "party" attached to both, though it would be "democratic" party instead of "democrat".
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Nov 13, 2020 16:09
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Count Roland posted:Is there an equivalent for Republican party? I'm also not American and I frequently hear "party" attached to both, though it would be "democratic" party instead of "democrat". Until recently, pretty much everyone agreed that "democratic" was a positive adjective (or if you disagreed you knew not to say the quiet part loud). To avoid labeling their opponents with something positive, conservatives started using Democrat as an adjective, not a noun. So Democrat party, "my Democrat opponent," and so on. A Democrat is a member of the Democratic Party, it's not an adjective. There really isn't a Republican equivalent because Republican wasn't considered a politically neutral/positive descriptor.
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zakharov posted:Until recently, pretty much everyone agreed that "democratic" was a positive adjective (or if you disagreed you knew not to say the quiet part loud). To avoid labeling their opponents with something positive, conservatives started using Democrat as an adjective, not a noun. So Democrat party, "my Democrat opponent," and so on. A Democrat is a member of the Democratic Party, it's not an adjective. Also, grammatically trying to find an equivalent doesn't really work. The epithet version of Democrat-as-adjective works because Democrat is the noun used to refer to a member of the Democratic Party ("I'm a Democrat", for example). But the noun used to refer to a member of the Republican Party is... Republican ("I'm a Republican", for example). So to find an equivalent you have to actually come up with a new alternative, rather than just misusing a word that your opponent already uses, just in slightly different contexts.
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Killingyouguy! posted:HI, I'm not American, what is wrong with this phrase? I Googled 'Democrat party' and it only came up with the correct party, the worst thing I could find was a conservative party from Turkey that can be translated that way? When referring to the US Democratic Party, it's only used as a dumb "lol i said their name wrong" attack. Like "Micro$oft" or "Killary". It reveals an immaturity and lack of good faith.
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Ruzihm posted:Wikipedia has an article on this https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democrat_Party_(epithet) What the gently caress. I'd never heard of this. Are you all playing some weird gaslight games or something?
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Outrail posted:What the gently caress. I'd never heard of this. Are you all playing some weird gaslight games or something? You have to hear Republicans say it out loud to understand where it comes from, because 9 time out of 10 they say it like "DemocRAT Party" because they get a tiny little dopamine rush from calling their enemies rats.
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Nov 13, 2020 17:23
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Golbez posted:When referring to the US Democratic Party, it's only used as a dumb "lol i said their name wrong" attack. Like "Micro$oft" or "Killary". It reveals an immaturity and lack of good faith. Before this thread goes too wild in chiding right wingers for this, I must point out that Trump has a great many nicknames that are used in the same way.
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Outrail posted:What the gently caress. I'd never heard of this. Are you all playing some weird gaslight games or something? the wikipedia article's been around since 2004 so you're just missing things Count Roland posted:Before this thread goes too wild in chiding right wingers for this, I must point out that Trump has a great many nicknames that are used in the same way. gotta make sure everyone knows Both Sides Are The Same
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They're not the same. Look at this very informative chart! 
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Outrail posted:What the gently caress. I'd never heard of this. Are you all playing some weird gaslight games or something? i think the wiki page is not great but it was a thing. Imagine you have a Ph.D. who insists that everyone address them as "Dr. So-and-so". There were and are many who don't do it out of the pleasure of seeing them bluster about something so superficial. And now there are also many who don't do it out of simply hearing the ones around them not addressing them as "Dr". This second part is so widespread that it reinforces itself. That's basically the same dynamic as the "democrat party" thing these days.
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Count Roland posted:Before this thread goes too wild in chiding right wingers for this, I must point out that Trump has a great many nicknames that are used in the same way. And it's just as dumb to say things like Drumpf. That said, I do approve of "the Kim Reaper" for the governor of my fine state because I'm not a fan of Iowa being a cautionary tale.
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Golbez posted:And it's just as dumb to say things like Drumpf. I like all the ones that just rearrange the letters in his name. Tmurp etc.
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Outrail posted:What the gently caress. I'd never heard of this. Are you all playing some weird gaslight games or something? Lol I've never even noticed this, their attempted insults have probably been bouncing off my sheer ignorance for years.
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Ruzihm posted:i think the wiki page is not great but it was a thing. I interpret it now less as a signifier of active intent to disparage Democrats and more of a shibboleth that indicates where you get your news. If you are encountering the phrase "democrat party" so much that it becomes your own standard usage, then you are probably following right-wing TV and blogs and probably following them exclusively.
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Ruzihm posted:i think the wiki page is not great but it was a thing. Except the Democratic party has been around for almost 200 years. To say some people only say it because they hadn't heard the correct way of saying it is a bit iffy. Calling it Democrat party is a deliberate thing.
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MrUnderbridge posted:Except the Democratic party has been around for almost 200 years. To say some people only say it because they hadn't heard the correct way of saying it is a bit iffy. Calling it Democrat party is a deliberate thing. I agree. I mean come on, I distinctly remember my parents complaining about the democrats back when I was a teenager in 1843, and anyone who didn't just didn't pay attention.
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Nov 13, 2020 21:28
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The democrats loving suck so really theres nothing wrong with saying democrat party
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I thought I was fairly plugged in into American politics and knew all the trendy dog whistles and whatnot, but I've also never heard of that. The wiki article says it's started in the 40s, so maybe it's not much of a thing nowadays? I don't remember Trump ever calling it the democrat party, and he's called everyone everything at this point.
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Nov 13, 2020 21:53
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I've seen it fairly often on Quora.
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What's weird is I saw an argument over "Democrat Party" pop up simultaneously in three threads in three different forums here. Was there some kind of meme or something that got in peoples' minds?
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Golbez posted:What's weird is I saw an argument over "Democrat Party" pop up simultaneously in three threads in three different forums here. Was there some kind of meme or something that got in peoples' minds? The last few years have seen a huge surge in the number of people beginning to pay attention to politics. A lot of these people aren't aware that in the 90s, Rush Limbaugh and a bunch of other conservatives started saying "DemocRAT party," emphasizing the rat part, after which "Democrat party" kind of became a general pejorative term towards them for a couple decades. Now a lot of younger and newer people are saying Democrat party because it feels like an intuitive way to refer to them, and it feels and sounds correct, and then they get jumped on by political nerd greybeards who accuse them of being stealth conservatives, idiots, or both. People who say it to trigger the libs definitely exist, but even then it's just kind of a really old schoolyard level insult for a certain subset of extremely online or insular political nerd. Mostly it's the first thing I mentioned.
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I'm not even American, and I've been noticing the deliberate replaing of Democratic with Democrat to the point it makes me bactrack and re-read any text where it's used in a new light.
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Son of Thunderbeast posted:The last few years have seen a huge surge in the number of people beginning to pay attention to politics. Is this true? A coworker of mine told me this, but she's young and I suspect she just meant "me and some of my friends" when she was talking about a much more general group.
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Count Roland posted:Is this true? A coworker of mine told me this, but she's young and I suspect she just meant "me and some of my friends" when she was talking about a much more general group. It’s never been easier to get information (accurate or not) about politics, and to yell at people online about that information. I don’t think it’s a stretch to say that in this new online age that political engagement has increased compared to when there were three TV channels and your total exposure to politics was watching the 6 o’clock news and maybe reading the editorial section of the newspaper if you’re interested. Now you can’t even scroll through Instagram stories without seeing a couple political posts.
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It's definitely an intentional thing but I can see how it could be an innocent accidental thing, which in this case it was, and that's why I mentioned it instead of just being gently caress you about itmandatory lesbian posted:The democrats loving suck so really theres nothing wrong with saying democrat party Except that it immediately makes you sound like a far worse kind of person So if you don't mind apparently self identifying as a chud, go right ahead It's currently verbal shorthand for "I own an article of clothing and/or a flag that says Trump on it"
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If someone came into this thread sincerely using terms like "Sleepy Joe" and "Crooked Hillary" then they'd be roundly laughed at and that's basically the same thing as "Democrat Party" e: oh god drat it this isn't the USPOL thread? How many threads are having this discussion right now
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Pakled posted:How many threads are having this discussion right now This seems to happen a lot. Is there some way to analyze the forums post history and figure out if we have some kind of memetic virus running about?
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Shut me up if this derail needs to end but is saying 'a democrat/the democrats'* the same problem? I feel like even my American friends furthest on the left say that one in the reg * don't even know what the alternative would be here, 'representative(s) from the democratic party'?
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Killingyouguy! posted:Shut me up if this derail needs to end but is saying 'a democrat/the democrats'* the same problem? I feel like even my American friends furthest on the left say that one in the reg No, that's fine because that's using it as a noun. If you're a member of the Democratic Party, you're a Democrat. You can say "I'm a Democrat" or "Those people over there are Democrats" and it makes grammatical sense. What Republicans decided to do as the stupidest of schoolyard-level attempts to get under their opponents' skins, was to use that noun as an adjective to refer to the party as whole instead of using the adjectival form "Democratic", so instead of saying "My opponents from the Democratic Party" you say "My opponents from the DemocRAT Party" to subtly insinuate that your opponents are rats.
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vyelkin posted:so instead of saying "My opponents from the Democratic Party" you say "My opponents from the DemocRAT Party" to subtly insinuate that your opponents are rats. I just want to say that I hate this, I hate it greatly, I hate all the variants, it is the dumbest, most juvenile way of thinking. Even the worst of schoolyard bullies I've known gave that up after hitting twelve or so, but Carol is over here on Facebook yelling about the DemonCRAPS and the Planned-demic like it makes her look smart and it's like arguing with a propaganda golem.
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