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What this thread needs is an In/Out referendum for the Labour party. E: https://twitter.com/WhatEvil/status/1327313126145056773?s=20 WhatEvil fucked around with this message at 19:12 on Nov 13, 2020 |
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WhatEvil posted:What this thread needs is an In/Out referendum for the Labour party. Checkbox poll, including a "shake it all about" option
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Nov 13, 2020 19:00
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jabby posted:I'm not having the in/out of Labour discussion again. I'm just commenting on the ridiculousness of expressing support for Corbyn by doing the exact opposite of what Corbyn wants. Corbyn is wrong in this matter, people don't have to do everything he says it's not actually a cult e. and most likely people doing this are likely to get purged anyway if this poo poo goes through with no protest
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Nov 13, 2020 19:01
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jabby posted:I'm not having the in/out of Labour discussion again. I'm just commenting on the ridiculousness of expressing support for Corbyn by doing the exact opposite of what Corbyn wants. well trying to do what corbyn wanted last time was a huge loving failure with regards to party control
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Nov 13, 2020 19:01
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Comrade Fakename posted:Maybe then we can just assume you've said it in future instead of you insulting swathes of the thread every time the Labour Party is mentioned? Don't you have Glenn Greenwald quotes to make up? Someone asked my opinion in the thread & I gave it. I didn't do it rudely or angrily or harshly, & like gently caress I insulted anyone. Saying I think Labour is dead as a vehicle for socialism isn't insulting anybody unless you're the type of idiot who treats politics like club sports & demands blind loyalty at all times. jabby posted:I'm not having the in/out of Labour discussion again. I'm just commenting on the ridiculousness of expressing support for Corbyn by doing the exact opposite of what Corbyn wants. Yeah, but I don't think it's about what Corbyn wants, it is about what the broader "project" needs. Which is a stark wakeup call that voicing basic socialist (& even social democratic) concepts & ideas makes you a pariah.
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Nov 13, 2020 19:02
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https://twitter.com/siennamarla/status/1327308840665296896
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Nov 13, 2020 19:02
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How many votes did they have to throw out before Var of Piss got in I wonder
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Nov 13, 2020 19:04
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DesperateDan posted:Checkbox poll, including a "shake it all about" option
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Nov 13, 2020 19:06
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Even with switching the voting system and taking six hours to purge votes 5/6 of the left slate got in. So did Puke Nukem though.
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Nov 13, 2020 19:06
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By this point, is there any chance for any sort of Brexit deal to go through in the next 50 days?
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Nov 13, 2020 19:07
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That's three seats for the right slate and five for the left. Four for either was considered to be a good result, considering the new electoral rules. The new youth and disability reps are also from the left slate, and Jess Barnard, the new chair of Young Labour, supported the statue protests. So, about as good as could reasonably be expected, within the constraints of the system, and shows that a majority of the membership are still leftie. Darth Walrus fucked around with this message at 19:12 on Nov 13, 2020 |
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Nov 13, 2020 19:10
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I can tell you that in a Momentum meeting this afternoon the thinking was that we would get three or so seats, four if we were lucky, two if we weren't. This is very good news!
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Nov 13, 2020 19:10
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cant cook creole bream posted:By this point, is there any chance for any sort of Brexit deal to go through in the next 50 days? Not much but I reckon we'll ether see us take a much shittier deal than the one we could have gotten at any other time and it being treated as a massive victory or It's No Deal, Boris leaves and takes up his winnings from crashing the economy and we get some Tory freak saying we have to do even more austerity as PM.
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Nov 13, 2020 19:10
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cant cook creole bream posted:By this point, is there any chance for any sort of Brexit deal to go through in the next 50 days? No. Brexit has already fallen from the public consciousness, it's done & buried & we don't have to think about it anymore.
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Nov 13, 2020 19:11
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Bobby Deluxe posted:Typical exclusion of the silent majority who have been lobbying for a 'turn around' option for years. It'd fit, given how every now and then it falls apart.
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Nov 13, 2020 19:12
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Anyone know what Cummings finally did or is Bojo on the way out too?
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Nov 13, 2020 19:14
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It is actually really impressive that with everything that's gone on over the past year the Labour right still couldn't fix the NEC elections. A lot of Labour right types probably getting the dawning realisation that it's still a left wing party even if they did lie to get the top spot.
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Nov 13, 2020 19:15
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serious gaylord posted:Anyone know what Cummings finally did or is Bojo on the way out too? i think its just vote leave people clearing out now trump has lost and boris is gonna do a deal with the EU hopefully
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Nov 13, 2020 19:16
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forkboy84 posted:Don't you have Glenn Greenwald quotes to make up? Mate, you said "I think it's extremely on point and the only way the left has any future as more than pathetic saps who campaign for the Labour right who loving hate them and keep supporting policies that are anathema to what the left should want". Since a bunch of people in this thread are staying in the Labour Party, you are calling them pathetic saps. And Jabby made a vague "am I the only one who thinks..." statement, it was hardly an iron-clad invitation for you to immediately bundle in and say the same thing you've said a million times but with added insults. Oh and lol I made up GG quotes that he said on video that you can watch and I posted the videos.
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Nov 13, 2020 19:16
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anyone else wish they were a streamer so they could buy a ps5 and demon souls and write it off for tax reasons or whatever
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Nov 13, 2020 19:17
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Comrade Fakename posted:
well you obviously didn't watch the videos since you're having to lie about it
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Nov 13, 2020 19:17
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Gonzo McFee posted:It is actually really impressive that with everything that's gone on over the past year the Labour right still couldn't fix the NEC elections. A lot of Labour right types probably getting the dawning realisation that it's still a left wing party even if they did lie to get the top spot. What's actually dawning to them is they really do need to get on with purging. So who controls the NEC right now? How's the split?
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Nov 13, 2020 19:18
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So how does this leave the total composition of the MEC then (bearing in mind that Rayner can no longer be trusted)?
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Nov 13, 2020 19:19
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forkboy84 posted:What's actually dawning to them is they really do need to get on with purging. 5/9 seats for the Left of the party.
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Nov 13, 2020 19:21
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The left-wing slate absolutely swept Young Labour, seems like - they got 15 out of 18 posts, missing out only on the representatives for Wales, London, and Scotland.
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Nov 13, 2020 19:22
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jabby posted:https://twitter.com/isaac_kh/status/1327295923630780417 https://youtu.be/NUHk2RSMCS8
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Nov 13, 2020 19:22
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Borrovan posted:So how does this leave the total composition of the MEC then (bearing in mind that Rayner can no longer be trusted)? No idea. It's got forty-one members, and I don't know which way they all swing.
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Nov 13, 2020 19:24
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Jose posted:anyone else wish they were a streamer so they could buy a ps5 and demon souls and write it off for tax reasons or whatever I earn practically nothing so just do cash reporting, but still, looking at the advice from HMRC and online it seems like getting hundreds of pounds back on your expensive desk, chair and laptop is just good business sense, but giving a family a tenth of that to eat for a week is outrageous socialism.
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Nov 13, 2020 19:30
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Jose posted:well you obviously didn't watch the videos since you're having to lie about it I still haven't worked out what incredible lies I've told about GG. He talks about Bannon's plan in pretty glowing terms - sure, it's in the context of "this is a thing that could have been successful for the Trump admin", but it's clear in the video that it's hardly a nightmare scenario for Glenn. You just have to hear the tone of his voice, clearly a colossal racist wall (and more racism besides) might be worth infrastructure and taxing the rich and poo poo. And then in the other video he just outright says that Trump isn't particularly racist which is such a totally insane thing to say at this point that I would consider it basically indefensible, if it weren't for the fact that people are ludicrously defending it. Heaven forfend I besmirch the good name of discredited and recently humiliated "journalist" Glenn Greenwald. Anyway, thanks for everyone who stayed in Labour and voted in the NEC election. Cummings gone and left victory in the NEC - this is actually a good day!
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Nov 13, 2020 19:32
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I am still a little unsure what it achieves. But I am glad you are happy. I, conversely, have a tango slushy, so I am also happy.
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Nov 13, 2020 19:33
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gently caress off with this dull "People's front of Judea" pish. Nobody likes it and it was barely funny when Monty Python did it.
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Nov 13, 2020 19:34
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I see Ann black is the only one to make it on without a slate - not surprising given she has her own mailing list (she does minutes of NEC meetings and sends them to her mailing list. Unsurprisingly, having a group of people getting emails about the NEC from you makes it easier for you to get elected to the NEC!)
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Nov 13, 2020 19:38
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What is this, some kind of suicide squad?
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Nov 13, 2020 19:42
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https://twitter.com/garyrosenWSJ/status/1327297893926055937?s=19 I'm going to become the joker
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Nov 13, 2020 19:45
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WhatEvil posted:What this thread needs is an In/Out referendum for the Labour party. you appear to have stolen my cat  
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Nov 13, 2020 19:48
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Isaac and the Bristol West comrades are great people and I say this as someone who knows them personally AND resisted their urging me to join the Labour Party. They're principled fighters who know when and how to make a stand although I remain unconvinced about the use of Labour for the cause of socialism. If anyone thinks they should be staying and fighting then this is absolutely the point to fight on and to move forward with rather than quietly letting the left take the beatings.
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Nov 13, 2020 19:53
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Come on y'all UKMT Autumn 2020 - Dominic Goings
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Nov 13, 2020 20:04
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ShaneMacGowansTeeth posted:iirc someone in the thread said that H4H focus on the physical injuries, but does nothing for the mental trauma but I can't remember who said it or if that claim was true or not I've said that in the past - they were previously entirely focused on rehab from physical injuries, which is unsurprising because that's what they were originally set up for. They apparently now contribute to mental health charities but I'd definitely like to see them using the platform they have to do more work on it.
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Nov 13, 2020 20:08
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Julio Cruz posted:you appear to have stolen my cat That is an exceptional cat. Does he have extra toes? Mine has 7 toes on his front paws (which makes it look like he has big thumbs).
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namesake posted:Isaac and the Bristol West comrades are great people and I say this as someone who knows them personally AND resisted their urging me to join the Labour Party. They're principled fighters who know when and how to make a stand although I remain unconvinced about the use of Labour for the cause of socialism. If anyone thinks they should be staying and fighting then this is absolutely the point to fight on and to move forward with rather than quietly letting the left take the beatings. I just think if you're going to make a principled stand, do it over something significant like the Spycops bil, or the sacking of people who voted against Foreign Torture bill, or the failure to tackle racism against black MPs. Starmer has done plenty of stuff to warrant passing motions about (or quitting the party over). Corbyn is literally just one dude who was a pleasant but rather ineffectual leader, and his suspension is more likely to be a cock-up on both sides than the start of The Great Purge. Personally I expect he'll be reinstated following a "clarification" or apology.
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