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The Tales series has become the only reason that I have my PS3 still plugged in. If I finish or stop playing Xillia i’ll probably put it up finally. Boy I wish they ported a lot more PS3 games to the PS4, including those. Because of its unique architecture, it’s become a black hole for a few really good games. Edit: The latest survey I asked which games you would like to see ported to modern consoles the most. I think I said Xillia, Destiny 2 and Graces F.
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Nov 13, 2020 12:49
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tales of hearts r and tales of innocence r are still locked to vita so i think bamco is just generally not concerned with porting stuff
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Nov 13, 2020 16:08
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The Colonel posted:tales of hearts r and tales of innocence r are still locked to vita so i think bamco is just generally not concerned with porting stuff
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Nov 13, 2020 16:13
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uhhh i've only played innocence on ds and never had a vita to get to play hearts r. innocence is cool and has lots of great ideas in its writing but the original ds version has some major issues that i assume the remake fixes
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Nov 13, 2020 16:26
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hearts r is really weird but okay, and it has a lot of mechanics that never carried over or got simplified. there's a gambit system like ff12 but you can nest the conditionals, a character bond system to share skills, and there's some hilarious twists there's an air juggle mechanic based off of touchscreen use, but they made your ai companions a bit too effective at it so there's no real difficulty to the game as well
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Nov 13, 2020 16:32
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I have a Vita but tbh it was a huge turnoff that they took a game with CC and made it use TP in its remake tbh, was Hearts R actually good?
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Nov 13, 2020 16:35
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Hearts R is good. the juggle mechanics make it kinda easy but also fun, and i thought the story was solid enough. i don't remember TP being half as much of a pain point in it as the other tales games i've played, the TP costs are all really low other than a few big spells iirc
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Nov 13, 2020 17:02
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As someone who liked ToX1 well enough, ToX2 was... ugh. The only things I liked about it was a spiffier, genuinely good Alvin and playable Gaius.
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Nov 13, 2020 17:29
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i like the alt dimension where leia and agria are girlfriends
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Nov 13, 2020 17:32
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I wish they did more with Fractured Milla
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Nov 13, 2020 17:36
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Shame they all get destroyed with barely a 'shrug eh what ya gonna do'.
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Nov 13, 2020 17:36
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The side quest in xillia 2 where you collect like 100 different cats around the world is incredibly powerful
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Nov 13, 2020 17:42
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Xillia 2 is... I don't know if bad is the right word, but it's definitely not good and in many ways misguided. The Xillia 1 content is mostly forgettable and occasionally just awful, totally wasting what was good about the original Xillia characters either way. The original plot is mediocre and mostly hinges on the Dad Game aspect. The connective tissue between them is really weird and uncanny. None of it is worth the hours of enforced grinding and wandering up and down the Xillia 1 overworld to get to any of it. I definitely wouldn't call it a good followup to Xillia considering how badly it uses everything it brings back from Xillia. The combat has some decent quality of life updates but every other aspect of the gameplay is compromised, and even the combat is kind of hurt by no longer being able to choose your party members while playing and the new Ludger-centric weapon weakness system. Caphi fucked around with this message at 18:29 on Nov 13, 2020 |
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Nov 13, 2020 18:24
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i think xillia 2 is awkward and messy but it has interesting ideas and good character beats
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Nov 13, 2020 18:26
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I liked Xillia 2 more then the first, but it's in a weird position where a lot of it relies on the first game. The story of the first one wasn't like, terrible or anything, but the cast and plot were just so forgettable to me that I didn't really care much about what happened. The sequel is more character based, which I prefer if the plot is gonna be bad. I think they took a mediocre cast and helped them out a lot. It's also a lot more fun to play in terms of battles, but they also reuse just about everything from the first game, sometimes multiple times. The stuff unique to Xillia 2 is pretty cool, but the entire package is just so awkward to judge.
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Nov 13, 2020 18:32
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The Colonel posted:i think xillia 2 is awkward and messy but it has interesting ideas and good character beats I'm sure they're in there but they're couched in 60 hours of busywork and bad Muzet comedy and telling Milla she should be happy she gets to stand next to Jude while he does important things.
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Nov 13, 2020 18:33
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i mean the muzet comedy is bad but it's like thirty minutes out of the whole game. it's entirely secluded to her sidequest chain. it sucks cause it means the most actual writing she gets is in gaius' sidequests but i guess it's not a universal constant in the writing... at least...?
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Nov 13, 2020 18:35
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Ludger being a silent protagonist is bad and dumb and very non-Talesy.
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Nov 13, 2020 18:42
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Honestly the only good part of the game I actually remember was Gaius. In particular, I think pairing off the characters the way they did was a really bad idea because part of why Xillia's party was good was how they had all kinds of relationships amongst all of them, so making sure that only Leia and Alvin would ever interact in their episodes, or Elise and Rowen, was about the most boring way you could have done it. I sincerely think having played Xillia 2 more recently has faded my actual good memories of the characters and writing in Xillia. Caphi fucked around with this message at 18:47 on Nov 13, 2020 |
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Nov 13, 2020 18:43
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Hellioning posted:Ludger being a silent protagonist is bad and dumb and very non-Talesy. I feel like this was the perfect game for them to explore that idea. Now we don't have to worry about them making an entirely new game with the same idea. I hope. Also, the Berseria side quest was what made me realize I didn't care in the slightest what the Xillia cast was up to.
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Nov 13, 2020 18:54
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Hellioning posted:Ludger being a silent protagonist is bad and dumb and very non-Talesy. Mainly I’m playing it because I need to save money to move early next year and and don’t want to buy new games right now. See also: Genshin
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Nov 14, 2020 01:02
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Xillia 2 was significantly more difficult than Xillia 1 which really surprised me. It was fun seeing all the "what-if" scenarios even if they ended each time with the PCs destroying an alternate universe.
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Nov 14, 2020 06:01
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I like the alternate ending in Xillia 2 where you can choose to refuse to kill your brother, which results in Ludger systematically killing every other party member one by one to prevent them from doing it in his stead. It's the only part of the game that fully leans into Ludger being a bullshit mary sue who hilariously eclipses like, every character from the first game. Also any time Gaius is on screen he's pretty funny.
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Nov 14, 2020 10:22
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i like the hat Leia gets in Xillia 2. it's a good hat.
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Nov 14, 2020 10:59
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I tend to ignore a lot of the main protags in Tales so having Ludger be so ridiculously Mary Sue and better than every other character in combat is blegh. I mean you can make a party without him, but it feels like an intentional handicap.
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Nov 14, 2020 13:53
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gaius is about as good as ludger tbh
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Nov 14, 2020 14:01
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Ludger has three weapons so far, does he get even more? And yeah, he’s clearly just an audience stand-in to observe all these other characters. If I hadn’t played the first game that might’ve been worthwhile, but I have and it’s not.
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Nov 14, 2020 15:24
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Nah, three is all Ludger gets. Four if you count the spear he has in chromatus mode.
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Nov 14, 2020 17:15
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I would consider his transformation as basically a fourth weapon, he just can't use it all the time.
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Nov 14, 2020 17:16
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Samurai Sanders posted:Ludger has three weapons so far, does he get even more? I have some high level beefs with Xillia 2 but the thing that made it most uncomfortable to actually play was the old characters' relationships with Ludger. He slots into their lives so seamlessly and they ask him for his opinion constantly, especially for a party who half of in the first game were so slow to open up and trust each other. And the skits you get for leveling up their hearts where they basically talk directly into the camera about how much they value your companionship just felt incredibly uncanny. Caphi fucked around with this message at 17:44 on Nov 14, 2020 |
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Nov 14, 2020 17:41
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Pureauthor posted:I wish they did more with Fractured Milla It is what is-Elle, destroyer of worlds I also found one of the endings hilarious because I think it's Ludgers ending where Ludger is in charge of spirius and he meets prime dimension Elle's mom and starts crying. Implying that he is happy he can now gently caress this woman to give birth to the daughter he just lost and start all over again I mean okay, that's probably not why that happens but i remember just laughing my rear end off at the implications of it when i saw it in the moment The Shame Boy fucked around with this message at 22:43 on Nov 14, 2020 |
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Nov 14, 2020 22:30
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The Shame Boy posted:I mean okay, that's probably not why that happens but i remember just laughing my rear end off at the implications of it when i saw it in the moment No, that's correct.
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Nov 15, 2020 01:08
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Caphi posted:I have some high level beefs with Xillia 2 but the thing that made it most uncomfortable to actually play was the old characters' relationships with Ludger. He slots into their lives so seamlessly and they ask him for his opinion constantly, especially for a party who half of in the first game were so slow to open up and trust each other. And the skits you get for leveling up their hearts where they basically talk directly into the camera about how much they value your companionship just felt incredibly uncanny. He is still a boring non-character though which is the anti-Tales.
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Nov 15, 2020 01:12
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Dunno sounds like most Tales protags 
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Nov 15, 2020 02:02
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Ludger gets some really snarky and funny player-decided lines in skits
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Nov 15, 2020 02:16
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Sakurazuka posted:Dunno sounds like most Tales protags I feel like Lloyd is really the only other Tales protag that gets close to Ludger in that regard. Most other Tales protags, even if they aren't good characters, have a bit more than that.
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Nov 15, 2020 11:01
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i like ludger more than lloyd and sorey frankly and kyle
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Nov 15, 2020 13:00
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Endorph posted:i like ludger more than lloyd and sorey frankly 
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Nov 15, 2020 13:11
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Kyle is the worst main character in, like... maybe any RPG I've ever played. Lloyd and Sorey are just boring good boys in bad plots with bad writing. Kyle is actively a lovely failson who bullies Reala into enabling him because she's a conciliator.
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Nov 15, 2020 15:57
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I'd say the way Sorey treats Alisha is also pretty awful but to be fair he mostly does that because his mom figure manipulated him into it.
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