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I'm sorry but Armenian Genocide was never so widely 'recognised' nor it's a good theme for 'generic' songs. It was not in style for SOAD back in the day. They also grew up (20? 25 years since they became famous?) and this does change one's world views and values. Times have changed and now this whole situation is on the verge of happening again. It's in their full birthright to try and help how they can while they can to prevent this. The happening in N-K has too long of a history where one side clearly lost way more. Also, I should be biased to favor Azerbaycan as my second cousin is married to a man of azerbaycan ancestry (they both in usa tho) but personally I had far more pleasurable interactions with armenians in my life. This is not about races of people, it's about countries that teach hatred instead of history and try to reforge their histories with their 'blood enemies's blood. This poo poo sucks. Erulisse fucked around with this message at 22:26 on Nov 10, 2020 |
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Erulisse posted:I'm sorry but Armenian Genocide was never so widely 'recognised' nor it's a good theme for 'generic' songs. It was not in style for SOAD back in the day. They also grew up (20? 25 years since they became famous?) and this does change one's world views and values. Times have changed and now this whole situation is on the verge of happening again. It's in their full birthright to try and help how they can while they can to prevent this. The happening in N-K has too long of a history where one side clearly lost way more. I don't see the cycle ending either considering the reaction in Armenia. It is also what keeps much of the region "in place." It is very clear in Azerbaijan, especially in Baku, that most of the vast wealth of the country has been spent on only a small portion of the population. There are still plenty of refugees living in favelas in the shadow of skyscrapers lit up with LEDs. As in the rest of the former Soviet Union, expats (especially British expats) have it pretty cushy but if you ever spent any time there you can really see how socially unequal and unstable it is.
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Paladinus posted:But I will also say that I was also slightly surprised by Protect The Land. Compare it with BYOB or any other song that dealt with wars thematically, and it's like a completely different band. Reminded me of one of those army propaganda rock ballads (only SOAD's song actually sounds good) This. Protect The Land has more in common with Sabaton's Winged Hussars and it's disappointing as hell.
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Doctor Malaver posted:I was a big fan 20 years ago and knew the first two albums by heart. Had the original CDs. There's no mention of Armenia in the lyrics or in the booklet in either album. I don't know the later albums that well but they were more about Hollywood, porn and drugs than Armenia, Nagorno Karabakh and pomegranates. As a dumb teen when I got into metal music, PLUCK on the SOAD debut was the first first I ever became aware of the Armenian genocide so it can't have been that subtle. They also talked about being Armenian in an awful lot of press they did early on. But yes, the new stuff has gone way into bonkers nationalism and it was super disappointing to see. It'd be like Rage Against The Machine recording a new tune, a jingle for a McDonald's campaign
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https://twitter.com/ANCA_DC/status/1326192794122276864 https://twitter.com/ANCA_DC/status/1326538638352502785 something is incredibly concerning about people 4-5 generations removed from a place baying for a war to continue... Pashinyan had absolutely no choice and according to Artsakh MOD thousands of troops were about to be surrounded in Stepanakert. Would people really have preferred they all die for their glorious homeland???? The peace deal doesn't sound that awful either? Isn't it basically Madrid minus Shushi? wisconsingreg fucked around with this message at 19:03 on Nov 11, 2020 |
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The important question is how much ethnic cleansing is going to happen now.
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OddObserver posted:The important question is how much ethnic cleansing is going to happen now. Already done by the sound of it. 90k were displaced in the fighting. The Russians are allegedly clearing the rest/ https://twitter.com/UGhost01/status/1326446769597767680
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I believe pretty much all of the population has already left for Armenia, so not much (it's already happened)
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Vasukhani posted:Already done by the sound of it. 90k were displaced in the fighting. The Russians are allegedly clearing the rest/ Expect a slow transition of territory to azers from russia. North to south. So the corridor will be open through the entire process but the territory will shrink as people are evicted. The Russians will claim that they are moving civilians from the war zone. Here's the lasting effect: the displaced citizens from NK will be ultra nationalististc due to their homes being destroyed etc. This will create an even more unvalanced Armenia. This is how it plays into azerband russia's hands: if the govt of Armenia falls then they can roll in and claim they are keeping the peace while systematically eradicating the existing power structure.
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Another man dead to the police violence in Belarus. An ex-spetsnaz soldier, Roman Bondarenko was far from what the state propaganda says about typical protesters. Roman was one of the residents of the so-called Changes Square, a group of flat complexes, where for the last three months people were organising, protesting, and transforming their common living space to match their political beliefs. Earlier today, a group of unidentified people in balaclavas and ski masks, most likely the police, appeared near one of the houses on Changes Square, and started to tear down red and white ribbons that the residents use to decorate fences. This happens a lot nowadays. Local state-controlled housing maintenance office simply don't have enough resources to get rid of all the political graffiti and white-red-white flags all over Minsk, so the police are known to help them. Roman saw this from the window, and went to try to talk the people in balaclavas out of it. In response, one of them attacked him and pushed him to the ground. Roman then got carried away to the nearby unmarked minivan, only to be later found in ER with a severe head trauma. Despite doctors' best efforts, he died. In their official statement, the Ministry of Internal Affairs say that there's now an investigation into Roman's death, but they deny that the police was involved in the fight. All previous deaths connected to the protests were also investigated, and so far there is not a single criminal case brought against a policeman, while there's close to a thousand of criminal cases against hundreds of protesters. In the evening, several thousand people gathered on Changes Square to show their solidarity with Roman and his family. The police tried to infiltrate and possibly disperse the gathering, but were met with protesters blocking the road for unmarked minivans not unlike the one that took Roman away.
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I'm slowly working my way through this talk by a Belarusian activist that outlines the timetable for the protests against Lukashenko. https://kolektiva.media/videos/watch/f6db27d7-5204-4bbc-987e-089a0b7b9a30
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Paladinus posted:Another man dead to the police violence in Belarus. They just straight up killed a dude over nothing and nobody will get punished, I seriously don't want to be in this place right now, I am now considering moving somewhere.
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Are there any ongoing strikes? Now with the winter coming and a second wave of covid I imagine Luka is hoping for a Khabarovsk scenario for the weekend protests to go below critical mass so that the police can swoop in and beat up more manageable crowds.
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Somaen posted:Are there any ongoing strikes? Now with the winter coming and a second wave of covid I imagine Luka is hoping for a Khabarovsk scenario for the weekend protests to go below critical mass so that the police can swoop in and beat up more manageable crowds. Almost all workers who participated in strikes were fired. Some places had to bring in scabs from other regions. But I suspect with Lukashenko doing everything in his power to inspire people to protest more, there is still a chance. If not a general strike, at least some more overt display of solidarity from people who are scared to lose their jobs.
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What concerns strikes, Azot's 2 departments didn't work for 2 days. But this is all fuzzy and muddled, they had to bring in people from other chemical plants but blame is on covid and seasonal flu. Strike commitees claim its due to workers being unhappy and making GBS threads up the process undercover and lack of skilled workers but who knows with undercover things. I can't imagine them being happy at least. Fuckup at nuclear station doesn't help too. I am very certain its not strike or sabotage but drops a bean in the same bucket.
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And what concerns Tikhanovskaya's "new plan" I am just not seeing it working, they might have lost touch with reality of situation on the ground
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Sekenr posted:And what concerns Tikhanovskaya's "new plan" I am just not seeing it working, they might have lost touch with reality of situation on the ground What's going to happen is another hundred thousand people might show up this Sunday, and the protest might get re-invigorated outside of Minsk to an extent. But it's highly unlikely that after three months of largely peaceful protests people would start flipping police cars or whatever. After Taraikovski's death the protests got more peaceful, not less. Not to mention that many of the more radical protesters have already been arrested. Maybe there are going to be some confrontations with the 'unidentified people' in local communities, but I wouldn't say that bringing a plain-clothed policeman to a police station as a criminal, as Tikhanovskaya suggests, is a terribly good idea.
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It literaaly makes no sense. Thus I feel that the new plan is detached from reality I will not bring an obvious cop in plain clothes to a cop station, I will be arrested for 13.34 maybe if I am lucky Beaten to death if unlucky
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Well, journalists and society found out who killel Roman Bondarenko. Obviously the law will not punish him but I am curious how his life will be from now on. Unless he goes exclusively to OMON gym, omon shop and OMON hospitals he might face a bunch of changes.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s8JArJzgN04 NSFW. Russian journalists in Nagarno-Karabakh and that includes firefights. I hope that at least this Amir and the other fellow they captured as wounded didn't end up getting a bullet or any kind of mistreatment after journalists with cameras departed. Although I imagine that riled up crowds in Yerevan would lynch any azeri they could get their hands on (seeing as they started with their own parliament's speaker), those soldiers are hopefully smarter than that. And I do hope that azeris are magnanimous in victory, some videos I've seen before the cease fire suggest otherwise. The combat bits looks like a whole lot of chaos (of course combat itself IS chaos), soldiers trying to figure things out and no-one's in charge.
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Man the range of emotions in that video is something. The kinda dazed-looking guys, the guys who say the "yeah sure we'll beat them" but clearly don't believe it, that one guy who goes "yeah we'll do, like, tactical preparations and it'll be good" *gestures vaguely*.
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aphid_licker posted:Man the range of emotions in that video is something.
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Budzilla posted:It was implied in the subtitles that they were conscripts. They were high on the propaganda that has been fed to them for the past 30 years. Give better context with all the protesting in Yerevan about the defeat. As is extremely common for nearly all soldiers to be in armies that recruit via some system of mandatory military service. Them being conscripts isn't really something they have to hide. I found it stranger how many of them kept telling the camera/journalists stuff along the lines of "you'll be next, just you wait, this is coming to you as well", I don't really know what that was about. If it was said in Armenian, it makes some sense in being fears that Azerbaijan will strike at Armenia itself, but IIRC most of that stuff was said in Russian and seenmed to be addressed to the journalists, whoever was watching the video, like are they saying Azerbaijan is going to invade and conquer Russia? Or is it even more general "the Muslim hordes are coming to kill Christians"?
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Randarkman posted:Or is it even more general "the Muslim hordes are coming to kill Christians"? Randarkman posted:As is extremely common for nearly all soldiers to be in armies that recruit via some system of mandatory military service. Them being conscripts isn't really something they have to hide.
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jonnypeh posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s8JArJzgN04 It's interesting. But I'm a dumb american and can't follow it all. Russian journos riding along with Azerbaijanis? And when they say "the enemy" they mean Armenians? When I think Russian journo I think RT and kinda glaze over. But this seems more just like some journo who happens to be from Russia yeah?
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French Canadian posted:It's interesting. But I'm a dumb american and can't follow it all. Russian journos riding along with Azerbaijanis? And when they say "the enemy" they mean Armenians? When I think Russian journo I think RT and kinda glaze over. But this seems more just like some journo who happens to be from Russia yeah?
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jonnypeh posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s8JArJzgN04 Those fearful faces... I'm glad the ceasefire came so quickly. Why is the reporter in full military camo, though?
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Now that Belarus street protest was crushed well and good I am kind of curious about - now what? It doesn't appear like Lukashenko have given it much thought. If I were Lukashenko I'd actually start worrying about the minister of MVD Ivan Kubrakov. His ministry was given quite extensive set of powers and most other other government functions rallied around them to aid as they can. Court system for instance pretty much forks for him now, servicing MVD and performing meaningless rituals they call "trials". Now that street action, I feel, is over there is a question of what to do with all this power which I don't see Kubrakov to be happy to relinquish or be satisfied with a medal and be sent off outside of Minsk like it happened with his predecessor.
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Sekenr posted:Now that Belarus street protest was crushed well and good I am kind of curious about - now what? It doesn't appear like Lukashenko have given it much thought. If I were Lukashenko I'd actually start worrying about the minister of MVD Ivan Kubrakov. His ministry was given quite extensive set of powers and most other other government functions rallied around them to aid as they can. Court system for instance pretty much forks for him now, servicing MVD and performing meaningless rituals they call "trials". Now that street action, I feel, is over there is a question of what to do with all this power which I don't see Kubrakov to be happy to relinquish or be satisfied with a medal and be sent off outside of Minsk like it happened with his predecessor. It's not over until it's over. The protest dies, when they don't shut down Metro and public transport in half of the city, don't bring in water cannons and dozens of meat wagons, don't gently caress with internet access, etc., just to make sure independent media don't get a good photo of a massive crowd. If they still do it, it means they know they are in danger. Over 1,000 arrested this Sunday, while Lukashenko is trying to convince everyone, the protest is over. Today's pensioners march is also as impressive as always.
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Doctor Malaver posted:Why is the reporter in full military camo, though? I suspect whatever soldiers you're embedded with aren't going to be happy to have you around if you wear anything that makes you easily visible, and that's assuming that not dressing like a soldier would stop the other side from killing you anyway.
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Yesterday, on another iteration of Women’s Strike, polish police went absolutely omon on protesters. Cordoning them off and beating them senseless, employing plainclothes* with metal batons, pepper spraying the vice-speaker of the house in the face after tearing her ID in half, breaking bones after dragging people into the vans, all while Jarosław Kaczyński was transmitting a speech about homofascists under SS signs * i struggle to say „plainclothes officers” because it really could be just random dudes since PiS approved of violence against protesters
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Włodzimierz Czarzasty, left coalition leader, beat up a cop. Or so the right wingers claim - in reality Czarzasty didn't even notice and the cop hurt himself running away after pushing Czarzasty and realising he just attacked the Deputy Marshal.
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Lol there's maybe two MPs I could see beating up a cop in riot gear and world's dweebiest grandpa isn't one of them
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goblin week posted:
Turns out, I poo poo you not, they were special forces.
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goblin week posted:Yesterday, on another iteration of Women’s Strike, polish police went absolutely omon on protesters. Cordoning them off and beating them senseless, employing plainclothes* with metal batons, pepper spraying the vice-speaker of the house in the face after tearing her ID in half, breaking bones after dragging people into the vans, all while Jarosław Kaczyński was transmitting a speech about homofascists under SS signs Stay safe, frog friend.
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Mokotow posted:Turns out, I poo poo you not, they were special forces. Which is surprising, since cops usually don't need help beating up women.
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sad question posted:Which is surprising, since cops usually don't need help beating up women. Thy can't get too tired practicing on the public, so they can do a good job at home.
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steinrokkan posted:Thy can't get too tired practicing on the public, so they can do a good job at home. They're all tuckered out from marching on the 11th anyway
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dex_sda posted:Włodzimierz Czarzasty, left coalition leader, beat up a cop. Or so the right wingers claim - in reality Czarzasty didn't even notice and the cop hurt himself running away after pushing Czarzasty and realising he just attacked the Deputy Marshal. For full context, people must understand that this is apparently how an antifa commando looks like:  goblin week posted:Yesterday, on another iteration of Women’s Strike, polish police went absolutely omon on protesters. Cordoning them off and beating them senseless, employing plainclothes* with metal batons, pepper spraying the vice-speaker of the house in the face after tearing her ID in half, breaking bones after dragging people into the vans, all while Jarosław Kaczyński was transmitting a speech about homofascists under SS signs They apparently sacked the last chief of police who refused to suppress the protests by force the first time, so I guess they've gotten some stooge in already.
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Rogue AI Goddess posted:Holy poo poo. I’m practicing the long-standing Polish tradition of keeping my head down while injustice happens to other people
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