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Tragic that he has to self isolate when all he wants to be doing is answering questions about Cummings.
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goddamnedtwisto posted:Probably not, because it's not really the point of the show - nobody's threatening to actually dump celebs on a desert island with just a wind-up gramophone (although give reality TV a few years...), it's just an interesting interview format that, when not being done by empty ciphers that spring fully-formed from a focus group, lets people talk about what's important to them through the medium of the music that defines important points in their life. you're acting like like his pick is an attack on you. the man plays football regularly and is allowed to have different taste (even if it is objectively a poo poo tune). this isn't Cameron forgetting what team he said he supported.
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Nov 15, 2020 22:14
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Looke posted:The Pieminster is having to self isolate again lol the real reason for Cumming's running out of Downing St again?
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Cerv posted:you're acting like like his pick is an attack on you. You could tell me he was on the terraces with Cass Pennant and 3 Lions would *still* be a poo poo inauthentic "Oh look how in touch with the proles I am" choice. This isn't a politics thing, it's a "I've been a lifelong football supporter since it was invented in 1992" thing.
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Interesting thing about this Cummings situation is the role of Carrie Symonds. Both the popbitch angle and the more conventional reporting show her as at a key architect of Cummings' downfall. If true that's a huge feat. Engineering for Boris a choice between two people, only one of whom might let him gently caress them as a reward. But why would she bother in the first place? What would be her personal interest in ousting Boris' grand vizier, especially in light of the rumours about a violinist and how she and Boris are not seen together much? No interest, except that Cummings is a rival to her influence. I think it's fair to say Boris likes to think with his dick, and Carrie knows how to lead him by it.
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Nov 15, 2020 22:37
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Endjinneer posted:Interesting thing about this Cummings situation is the role of Carrie Symonds. Both the popbitch angle and the more conventional reporting show her as at a key architect of Cummings' downfall. She's not some ingenue sucked into this world, she was literally born into it. Her parents were journalists, she was working at CCHQ straight out of uni (and - ugh - first met Johnson when she was 21 and he was 45). She's as much of a political figure as any of the SPADs and other remora clinging to the upper echelons of power.
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Nov 15, 2020 22:44
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Endjinneer posted:Interesting thing about this Cummings situation is the role of Carrie Symonds. Both the popbitch angle and the more conventional reporting show her as at a key architect of Cummings' downfall. If I was being unkind I would say - you can't be first lady if your fella is no longer first man. Maybe she really does love him, for all his known faults, and wants the best for him and her party.
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Borrovan posted:Brought Quavers for my lunch today. They're... alright. No strong feelings either way. So, it's definitely illegal for me to encourage a person to commit a crime, and depending on how far I go along with that and how far they go in committing it I could be done for anything from inchoate offences like encouraging or assisting an offence believing it will be committed right up to joint enterprise, right? And there are some things that are not offences, such as suicide, that I can still be charged with an offence for encouraging or assisting. So does that also apply to self harm? That certainly seems like the sort of case where encouraging someone to do it maliciously would be in the same spirit as the above (but also where you'd want protections for professionals attempting harm reduction). I guess you could throw the MCA at them if they were doing it online but that's not really in the same spirit, and also free speech warriors hate the MCA in a way that they don't hate all the others. And does any similar statute or precedent apply to communicating harmful things in a veiled way, for example if I said "hey if you mix bleach and hydrochloric acid you get cool sparkles, but you have to look real close" to a wide audience without direction, where there's obvious acting with either recklessness or deliberate intent to harm but for no specific person? I'm just thinking out loud here because all the anti-vaxxers are going full frees peach over alleged suppression of their bad ideas and there's obviously cases where speech that can cause physical harm to a person is criminalized, whether that's "yeah kick his loving head in, keep going" or advertising tobacco.
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Endjinneer posted:Interesting thing about this Cummings situation is the role of Carrie Symonds. Both the popbitch angle and the more conventional reporting show her as at a key architect of Cummings' downfall. I think Cummings walking was incidental, Carrie blocked Cain getting a promotion because by all accounts he's a real poo poo and it led to Dom going too.
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Inexplicable Humblebrag posted:genuinely thought you meant the Pieminster pie company, and not johnson Jonathan pie?
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notaspy posted:If I was being unkind I would say - you can't be first lady if your fella is no longer first man. What better way to be the classic power behind the throne than to have Boris by his lliteral short and curlies?
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Nov 15, 2020 23:33
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goddamnedtwisto posted:You could tell me he was on the terraces with Cass Pennant and 3 Lions would *still* be a poo poo inauthentic "Oh look how in touch with the proles I am" choice. This isn't a politics thing, it's a "I've been a lifelong football supporter since it was invented in 1992" thing. I mean, yeah it's a naff choice for various reasons and is a painfully obvious and downright cringey bit of political signalling. But people here getting all knotted up about the lack of authenticity in starmer's answers (and not just you twisto, but the word kinda nails what other people are implying) are missing the point that desert Island discs isn't a music show, it's an interview. And not just any interview, but one on a popular light entertainment programme that will reach an audience well beyond those who listen to Today, one that will likely generate some easy human interest coverage elsewhere, one where the interviewee frames the scope of the questions and is given the opportunity to talk freely about their life story and their "journey." Treating it as anything other a PR exercise to introduce yourself to voters would be completely idiotic for any politician and huge missed opportunity and tactical error. I mean, yeah, there's more sophisticated and interesting ways of using that opportunity than picking 3 lions, but it's not a bad choice in context, and its cynicism and cringeness is almost certainly not readily apparent to 99.99% of people
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Nov 15, 2020 23:39
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Cerv posted:the real reason for Cumming's running out of Downing St again? Looking forward to seeing Cummings at Barnard castle again.
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Nov 15, 2020 23:43
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If Starmer had picked World In Motion I could respect him
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Nov 15, 2020 23:50
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HopperUK posted:The main reason I prevaricate when asked about music, especially if the person asking is someone that obviously knows a lot about music, is that it's often about to become some dumbass gatekeeping thing. same. it's still somewhat socially acceptable to get weirdly aggressive about music (and football teams, for that matter) in casual conversation in a way that we all would definitely look down upon if it was video games, literature, fine art, etc.
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Nov 15, 2020 23:54
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Let's be honest, Three Lions isn't the best Ian Broudie penned football related song because that will always be The Life Of Riley
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Niric posted:I mean, yeah it's a naff choice for various reasons and is a painfully obvious and downright cringey bit of political signalling. Agreed. It’s a political list from a politician.
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Niric posted:I mean, yeah it's a naff choice for various reasons and is a painfully obvious and downright cringey bit of political signalling. Yes but it's apparent to me so I'll complain about it. Also Desert Island Discs should be a show about music & not an interview show, & instead of songs it should be albums & they should have to play the whole album. And the only guest should be me. There, I've just improved Radio4's output by 10000%. Can't wait to go from Wolf Eyes (their most listenable record Black Wing Over The Sand because I'm a casual) right into The Archers. Lt. Danger posted:same. it's still somewhat socially acceptable to get weirdly aggressive about music (and football teams, for that matter) in casual conversation in a way that we all would definitely look down upon if it was video games, literature, fine art, etc. People seem to confuse passion for aggression in this thread.
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My wife insists I must have some kind of ADHD as if I'm reading text or concentrating on words in a song all other communication just turns into white noise. If she's talking to me and I start to read a word in something accidentally (even like the brand name on the bottom of the TV) my brain just makes her sound like the Charlie brown teacher and its actively painful to tune it back in. It's why I can't listen to music with lyrics as it's usually not interesting enough to 'only' listen to but completely ruins all other things I'm trying to do if it's language based. This would be something I would go see a doc about along with loads of other minor 'I'm nearly 40 and poo poo is kinda slowly breaking but not majorly' health issues...but wellp. Covid! Not worth risking killing the love of my life for. .
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Is that an ADD thing? I thought it was just how everyone worked.
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forkboy84 posted:People seem to confuse passion for aggression in this thread. I think I know my own experience better than you, comrade
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Bobstar posted:I don't comprehend the idea of not liking/getting/needing music, since it's so central to me. But I don't harangue those people, since that's how I feel about food. And foodies who can't stand non-foodies are annoying. Half the music I listen to is in, like, Occitan, Middle High German or Anglo-Saxon so hard same.
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Mebh posted:...if I'm reading text or concentrating on words in a song all other communication just turns into white noise... Me too. I can listen to music and do a puzzle game simultaneously, but I would have to stop to listen to anyone speaking. I can assemble Lego while listening to a podcast, so whatever part of my brain that uses is different enough to function properly. If I see text anywhere I can't stop myself from reading the whole thing.
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Rumda posted:Also gently caress Glen Greenwald He was defending the book being allowed to be published. The actual story there is that ALCU people are apparently 'dying on a hill' to censor poo poo which like, that is explicitly not the point of the ALCU, we in lib hellworld there are no principles. If we've achieved a brief informal consensual peace between the Stay In Labour/Leave Labour debate can we maybe do the same thing with Greenwald? I'm happy to keep arguing with these idiots but it's so niche and must be boring to people.
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Nov 16, 2020 00:39
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Vitamin P posted:He was defending the book being allowed to be published. Being called out for bigotry isn't censorship you loving melt You and all these other weirdos need some serious help and empathy
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Vitamin P posted:He was defending the book being allowed to be published. remember when you were probed for a week and told not to come back to this thread? Good times
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ShaneMacGowansTeeth posted:remember when you were probed for a week and told not to come back to this thread? Good times The dudes from loving space his head is massive, beyond bigots who seriously wants to debate whether trans kids should have access to healthcare that decreases their chance of suicide and self harm?
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Nov 16, 2020 00:48
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Ash Crimson posted:The dudes from loving space his head is massive, beyond bigots who seriously wants to debate whether trans kids should have access to healthcare that decreases their chance of suicide and self harm? I'm talking about vitamin p and his endlessly lovely posting
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ShaneMacGowansTeeth posted:I'm talking about vitamin p and his endlessly lovely posting I know that He's not a human there's no evidence of that right now, maybe it does exist but it hasn't come to light and at this point I don't think it ever will
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Ash Crimson posted:He's not a human there's no evidence of that right now You legit have no comebacks besides 'people i don't like aren't human' eh? I guess I'm glad you're spouting it on just me rather than every english person but limiting your scope doesn't make your point good luv.
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Nov 16, 2020 01:13
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Why are you idiots arguing about Glen Greenwald when Boris has the Rona again?
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Gonzo McFee posted:Why are you idiots arguing about Glen Greenwald when Boris has the Rona again? Has he actually got it again? I did look at twitter but I didn't see anything about johnson.
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Nov 16, 2020 01:33
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Finding it hard to get excited about any of the political maneuvering going on in the Tory party now. For whatever back office reason, Cummies is gone. He left number 10 in a profoundly staged bit of pantomime with his belongings in a cardboard box. Johnson has to self isolate now. For some reason this renders him incapable of answering questions about the resignation of his senior advisor. Nobody in the media will question why this is the case. Even if there's a coup (and come brexit the knives might come out), some other soulless ghoul will lead the tories. They might lose their bottle in the combined covid-brexit hellscape, feather their nests, then let the government collapse so some other moron can lead, be it a Tory or Labour. And with the rubber stamp of a GE, there'll be an air of "well you can't complain you voted them in". But even if Labour get in, they're poo poo. Genuinely pointless and I can't decide if Labour winning and solidifying centrism as "the way to win a GE" is any better than the Tories winning again and reinstating workhouses. It just feels like the media, big money and the government are working so perfectly in lockstep that nothing is breaking through. Even if a good socialist candidate took power in Labour again (which they will never let happen), and even if they got to lead the party up to another GE, and even if they were charismatic and on message and unflappable, they'll still be faced by Kay Burley asking why they want to nationalise sausages, or a Tory councillor pretending to be a small business owner on Question Time, asking them why they hate England.
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yes, we should definitely take her at face value that she's being silenced for not being able to have her deep meaningful gender criticism as widely distributed as she would like. glenn greenwald can't see anything wrong with what she says so what possible issue could there be in giving her every platform she desiresShaneMacGowansTeeth posted:remember when you were probed for a week and told not to come back to this thread? Good times getting a bit tired of waiting for him to crack and post the rant he's been clearly holding back about how the wokescold cuck left are abandoning the working class by not liking it when people say slurs or whatever the gently caress, hoping he can get on with that soon and get banned for the string of r-words in his followup a page later so we don't have to read his posts anymore
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Mebh posted:This would be something I would go see a doc about along with loads of other minor 'I'm nearly 40 and poo poo is kinda slowly breaking but not majorly' health issues...but wellp. Covid! Not worth risking killing the love of my life for. i mean i wouldnt go to the doctor about that but if you have a health issue that isnt going away then its worth making an appt. gp surgeries are safer than supermarkets if you think about it. no gp is going to allow someone in who wants to see if they have covid symptoms. these days you just speak to them on the phone anyway
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OwlFancier posted:Has he actually got it again? I did look at twitter but I didn't see anything about johnson. No, he's self isolating after an unnamed close contact caught it. Reinfection is pretty rare so I suspect people would be making a lot more about it if there was even a sniff of him being infected. It does leave a couple of unanswered questions though - first, the important one: should advice be to isolate if you have a previous verified infection? Which loops into another one - is it possible he got Regeneron antibodies or convalescent plasma during his hospital stay? Either would mean he'd actually be unlikely to be immune now (because his own immune system would never have learned to fight the virus). If he *hadn't* got it, would they have bothered to tell him to isolate (or rather to publicise his isolation)? Like you can make the argument that him publicly isolating sends a good story about the importance of self-isolation/quarantine (and could probably be spun to "See how well contact tracing is working now!) Leaving aside the virology aspect of it - going into "isolation" to skip out on some nasty news coming down the pipe would be very, very Johnson. I don't buy the story that the infected contact was someone he wasn't supposed to be visiting - they *definitely* wouldn't be publicising it if so - but it's certainly convenient that at the very least he's going to be in isolation for two weeks right now.
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Angepain posted:yes, we should definitely take her at face value that she's being silenced for not being able to have her deep meaningful gender criticism as widely distributed as she would like. glenn greenwald can't see anything wrong with what she says so what possible issue could there be in giving her every platform she desires It's even stupider that that. quote:Because I have not read Shrier’s book, I have no opinion whatsoever on the argument it makes, though I did watch her Rogan appearance and listened to her Megyn Kelly interview and found several questions she raised to be reasonable and worthy of further examination. I confess to an instinctive discomfort with the book’s title — “Irreversible Damage: The Transgender Craze Seducing Our Daughters” — as redolent of the destructive trope long used against gay men as predators seeking to recruit and “seduce” children into becoming gay. And I know that the legal and cultural assault on trans people is very real, and fervently believe trans people have the absolute right to full legal protection of and respect for their identities (Shrier herself has repeatedly said she also believes this: “I fully support medical transition for mature adults,” she wrote in her Quillette article). He literally hasn't read it, he is just going for maximum smoothbrain and assuming that because it is written in a book it must be substantive and worthy of people's attention.
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