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mediaphage posted:probably. just have them do an online battery check and they’ll prolly have you send it in. it’s overnighted both ways so super quick. If they won't replace the battery for free, there's also the keyboard recall program to consider: https://support.apple.com/keyboard-service-program-for-mac-notebooks
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BobHoward posted:More RAM is going to have to wait for chips designed only for Macs. The M1 is (well, appears to be) an iPad/low-end-Mac crossover chip. It'll be called something else (A14X most likely) in an iPad, and some Mac-only features won't be used, just as some iPad-only features aren't used in M1. I don’t know if this is apples and oranges but this Micron release from a year ago suggests that higher capacities should be available. https://investors.micron.com/news-releases/news-release-details/micron-unveils-industrys-highest-capacity-monolithic-memory
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squirrelzipper posted:E; question from a non hardware person tho, everything reads like Apple just lapped intel/AMD completely in watts/power, but this is essentially an iPad chipset with more room right? I’m confused how just now everyone’s going holy poo poo? There's not enough information for anyone to go "holy poo poo", so if you see people doing it, take it with a huge grain of salt. There's a reason nobody seriously uses Geekbench to compare CPUs anymore unless they literally have to because of architecture differences, and even if those numbers are realistic, they still mean nothing for sustained workloads. Apple's presentation was so vague that if it were literally anyone else they would have been laughed off the stage. They might hit it out of the park, and I kind of hope they do, but it's very clearly a public beta to anyone who's been around the block with them before.
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Bob Morales posted:If it hasn’t been a year you don’t even need AppleCare. They will replace it free.  this is my fourth macbook and the only one i ever received that message with before was one of the old white polycarb base models that had user serviceable batteries Thauros fucked around with this message at 20:48 on Nov 15, 2020 |
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That's quite a few charge cycles. Does Apple really replace that for free if you don't have loopholes like the keyboard recall available?
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Fame Douglas posted:That's quite a few charge cycles. Does Apple really replace that for free if you don't have loopholes like the keyboard recall available? Within a year, yes. Within AppleCare, yes.
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cowofwar posted:I don’t know if this is apples and oranges but this Micron release from a year ago suggests that higher capacities should be available. 16Gb with lowercase-b means 16 gigabits (uppercase B would be bytes). So they're actually talking about 2GB capacity per die, here. (It also talks about packages containing 64GB+3GB or 256GB+8GB. Here, the 64 and 256 are flash - they're putting DRAM and flash into one small package for smartphones.)
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BobHoward posted:16Gb with lowercase-b means 16 gigabits (uppercase B would be bytes). So they're actually talking about 2GB capacity per die, here. Oh I see, yeah, most of that was over my head. Thanks.
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Baronash posted:Are these typically in-depth, or should I just expect a bunch of folks rushing to be the first one to post cinebench scores? Depends on who you watch. Best general overview most balanced will be MKBHD. Jonathan Morrison will have more music production logic stuff examples my guess. Dave 2d will probably also have tough but fair tests and thoughts.
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cowofwar posted:No reason other than margins and yields that Apple couldn’t put larger memory modules on the soc right? Seems like the next tier would have up to 64gig available. That would be amazing performance for large memory jobs given the latency. they probably need a different memory controller for more than 16gb of ram. the one on the m1 is probably the exact same one as apple has been using on the a series up to now. if it could handle more than 16gb of ram they almost certainly would have made it an option on the mac mini at the very least. if i had to guess we won't see more than 16gb of ram until the m2. at least if they follow the same conventions as the a12x and a12z.
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LionArcher posted:Depends on who you watch. Best general overview most balanced will be MKBHD. Jonathan Morrison will have more music production logic stuff examples my guess. Dave 2d will probably also have tough but fair tests and thoughts. If you want actual benchmarks and impressions by someone that aren't just after short superficial use of a product they got for free, shallow lifestyle reviewers like MKBHD really aren't where you're going to get the real information. Fame Douglas fucked around with this message at 01:43 on Nov 16, 2020 |
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Dr. Fishopolis posted:There's not enough information for anyone to go "holy poo poo", so if you see people doing it, take it with a huge grain of salt. There's a reason nobody seriously uses Geekbench to compare CPUs anymore unless they literally have to because of architecture differences, and even if those numbers are realistic, they still mean nothing for sustained workloads. Apple's presentation was so vague that if it were literally anyone else they would have been laughed off the stage. This is the most sensible M1 take I've seen so far. Honestly I think will take at least 1-2 generations of M1 laptops before enough software is ported for the ecosystem not feel niche or barebones. Folks will say "I only use safari + photoshop.". But there are so many little add-ons and apps that will undoubtedly break and not be available and emulation not being working out the gate means everyone's stuck waiting for porta and fixes.
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Dr. Fishopolis posted:There's a reason nobody seriously uses Geekbench to compare CPUs anymore unless they literally have to because of architecture differences Is Geekbench not a good general look at processor speed? Just looking at the workloads, they seem pretty reasonable for what people do. https://www.geekbench.com/doc/geekbench5-cpu-workloads.pdf A mix of scientific FFT/MM, normal user html/pdf/image processing, and compiler/aes/synthetics for good measure.
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El Mero Mero posted:This is the most sensible M1 take I've seen so far. Honestly I think will take at least 1-2 generations of M1 laptops before enough software is ported for the ecosystem not feel niche or barebones. Folks will say "I only use safari + photoshop.". But there are so many little add-ons and apps that will undoubtedly break and not be available and emulation not being working out the gate means everyone's stuck waiting for porta and fixes. this is true but I’d still say that 95% of mac buyers are probably not even going to notice a difference Which is in no way a dig, just like the ecosystem will meet their needs
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MeruFM posted:Is Geekbench not a good general look at processor speed? Just looking at the workloads, they seem pretty reasonable for what people do. I thought the issue was that geek bench scores integrate power consumption so great if you have a restricted thermal envelope but not as useful for assessing top performance in power or thermally unrestrained applications.
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MeruFM posted:https://www.macrumors.com/2020/11/15/m1-chip-emulating-x86-benchmark/ quote:Despite the impact on performance, the single-core Rosetta 2 score results still outperforms any other Intel Mac, including the 2020 27-inch iMac with Intel Core i9-10910 @ 3.6GHz. Yeah, I don’t know how this could possibly hold up given the presentation they gave. Look at the IPhone introduction, or the MacBook Air keynote. Those are pretty representative of how Apple acts when they are confident enough to say “this is the best thing out there, nothing comes close, and we’re two years ahead.”
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Yeah, companies with a clearly winning hand are loud about it, whereas ones with a lesser product tend to be unspecific like apple was. Not that they don't have the resources to make a winning hand, they're absolutely dominating the mobile space, but their lack of confidence in their presentation doesn't inspire confidence.
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like with anything, it depends, and it's all about the package. a fanless air is pretty cool, and the performance - even burst - for a fanless notebook is probably going to be the only real game in town. the mini has a more difficult proposition but i'm sure it can hold its own especially given the noise and power level (back in the day even the old minis would pull like 9W total when idling, which was nuts for a desktop). imo the only real question is what the 13-inch pro is going to be like, especially under sustained loads, compared to intel models. this will give at least some data with which to consider what potential future products might hold the rest of the lineup is going to be sufficiently different there's really no way to predict what they'll do
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Is saying “The M1 is 3x faster than our current Intel laptop” not a pretty loud and confident endorsement? I think you’re conflating the showmanship of Steve Jobs with company confidence.
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Yeah, it seems like they’re in a hard spot because they can’t really say “our cheapest computers are faster than our most expensive and profitable computers”?
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MeruFM posted:Is Geekbench not a good general look at processor speed? Just looking at the workloads, they seem pretty reasonable for what people do. Yes, but it's very easy to optimize for, and it simply doesn't run for long enough to tell you anything about sustained performance. Basically every android phone manufacturer has cheated a geekbench score at some point. FCKGW posted:Is saying “The M1 is 3x faster than our current Intel laptop” not a pretty loud and confident endorsement? *compared to an "i3" of unspecified vintage, with unspecified power and thermal envelopes* People in the tech industry don't use graphs with unlabeled axes when they're confident. Wait for benchmarks, however that shakes out.
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FCKGW posted:Is saying “The M1 is 3x faster than our current Intel laptop” not a pretty loud and confident endorsement? The M1 is up to 3.5x faster than their current Macbook air. All of their comparisons to prior mac minis are to the discontinued i3 model. None of the comparisons of their new Macbook Pro are to any prior Macbook Pro. And they're freely intermingling these three, with only the footnotes to show which ones they're comparing for any given metric. If a company ever says "up to" your bullshit alarm should be tingling, and if you gotta read the fine print to see what they're comparing, they're trying to spin because they can't make the claims they want to outright.
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Thauros posted:
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Violator posted:Yeah, it seems like they’re in a hard spot because they can’t really say “our cheapest computers are faster than our most expensive and profitable computers”? they're not, lol.
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MeruFM posted:Is Geekbench not a good general look at processor speed? Just looking at the workloads, they seem pretty reasonable for what people do. It's hilarious how much faster their chip is that they can brute force their way to compatibility.
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Dr. Fishopolis posted:they're not, lol. Ah, I see. One of those “we’re technically correct with the specific language as we specified in our footnotes LOL” deals.
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We’re going to have answers to these questions in like two days, but for my use case I am pretty optimistic. The reality is that a 2018 iPad Pro can edit some formats of video better than my 2019 16” MBP (with the highest-spec graphics at the time + 32gb of RAM). For my use case I am excited to see how these perform (especially since the program I use, Resolve, is available day one) — and especially excited for their upcoming pro models.
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lol that this will trash microsoft's multiple attempts at a Windows ARM laptop
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Microsoft did a pretty good job of trashing that idea on their own tbh.
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shrike82 posted:lol that this will trash microsoft's multiple attempts at a Windows ARM laptop What attempts? They just released some bullshit without any confidence. Oh here's a lovely surface book with a weird version of windows that isn't compatible with anything. You might like it and this product will totally exist a year from now.
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iOS devs - is 16 GB enough to run Xcode and the iOS simulator with a screen full of safari tabs?
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Coffee Jones posted:iOS devs - is 16 GB enough to run Xcode and the iOS simulator with a screen full of safari tabs? I'd think so
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grahm posted:We’re going to have answers to these questions in like two days, but for my use case I am pretty optimistic. The reality is that a 2018 iPad Pro can edit some formats of video better than my 2019 16” MBP (with the highest-spec graphics at the time + 32gb of RAM). For my use case I am excited to see how these perform (especially since the program I use, Resolve, is available day one) — and especially excited for their upcoming pro models. Wow, I didn't know Resolve was gonna be ready day 1. That'll be a really interesting comparison if the project files are portable. I have a low priority project I should use to transition over, Premiere gets on my last god drat nerve.
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Dr. Fishopolis posted:Wow, I didn't know Resolve was gonna be ready day 1. That'll be a really interesting comparison if the project files are portable. I have a low priority project I should use to transition over, Premiere gets on my last god drat nerve. Yeah same here, I’ve only ever kind of played around in resolve but I grabbed the 17b a couple days back and am starting a project that’s also not pressing in it. It’s so much more performant than Premiere, it’s crazy how much more responsive it feels. Lacks some things I’m used to but it’s a really nice piece of software, at least so far.
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Coffee Jones posted:iOS devs - is 16 GB enough to run Xcode and the iOS simulator with a screen full of safari tabs? I mean with everything unified paging should be fast as hell and the cache is huge so honestly unless your actual process actively needs >10 gigs at any time it should be faster?
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Some Goon posted:The M1 is up to 3.5x faster than their current Macbook air. Specifically the 4 core i7 1060NG7 at 1.2 GHz: Final Cut Pro / Xcode / Logic Pro / Adobe Lightroom (2, 4, 5, 6) - * Very specific tasks using these four programs at certain settings, using the above intel CPU with 16gb RAM, and a 2tb SSD* "5x Graphics^7": - *7. Testing conducted by Apple in October 2020 using preproduction MacBook Air systems with Apple M1 chip and 8-core GPU, as well as production 1.2GHz quad-core Intel Core i7-based MacBook Air systems with Intel Iris Plus Graphics, all configured with 16GB RAM and 2TB SSD. Tested with prerelease Final Cut Pro 10.5 using a 10-second project with Apple ProRes 422 video at 3840x2160 resolution and 30 frames per second. Performance tests are conducted using specific computer systems and reflect the approximate performance of MacBook Air.* The Macbook Pro has the same boiler plate, but using the 8th gen 1.7GHz i7. Now as for why Tim Apple didn't just say, "Our new M1 will spank the pants off 15W and 25W Intel mobile CPUs," I dunno.  Mister Facetious fucked around with this message at 07:50 on Nov 16, 2020 |
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So does the M1 chip mean mac gaming on steam is dead(er)? I already lost access to the one game I could play well on steam on my 2013 MBPr (Dungeons of Dredmor) when they switched to x64 code or whatever. Does M1 basically erase any and all compatibility for other games going forward?
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