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chaosapiant posted:That’s literally the plot of the first novel. i only play the games and eat the sandwiches they can throw all the novels into the sun (or turn them into a game) 
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Toxic Fart Syndrome posted:i only play the games and eat the sandwiches they can throw all the novels into the sun (or turn them into a game) I actually liked the first few novels. If they’d have redone the fourth book like they said they would, I’d have read it. Apparently that never happened?
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Nov 16, 2020 04:18
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I will never delete the non-exhaustive List of Plot Holes from my google drive
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Nov 16, 2020 04:46
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I'd just like a more hopeful, "happy" ME. Which might require it to be a prequel, or fudging some details of the endings
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Nov 16, 2020 05:39
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Rinkles posted:I'd just like a more hopeful, "happy" ME. Which might require it to be a prequel, or fudging some details of the endings I’m down with this. I really wanted Andromeda to be that game, with hopeful exploration. Instead you just hang out with people who got their earlier. That said, I’m making the effort to read the three Andromeda novels and while I’m only a small way into Nexus Uprising, I quite enjoy it. I’m enjoying reading about these characters that you meet on the Nexus and seeing how everything fits together.
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Nov 16, 2020 05:57
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I'd love to see a sequel to Andromeda, but I think an OT sequel is way more likely at this point. I do think that there's a real opportunity to make a great "hopeful exploration" game as that OT sequel though. Set it several years after the relays broke, have some scientist character figure out a way to fix them, get a crew together to escort that scientist/their technology as they jump through the Milky Way fixing relays and reconnecting the disparate pockets of galactic civilization. Kind of like Mass Effect meets Death Stranding. I'd play the hell out of that game.
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Nov 16, 2020 06:11
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Toxic Fart Syndrome posted:wow why do I keep finding out the series had awesome ideas like the dark matter connection and now this that were just dropped altogether in favor of schlock? if you think about it for a second it doesn't really work. the geth don't talk and don't have individual existence - who interacts with Shepard to set up the main ME2 plot? as mentioned, ME2 is introspective - how do the geth challenge Shepard's sense of self? who crews the ship? who provides intel and dossiers? etc. etc. there's a reason it never got past pre-production and Legion's N7 stripe dark matter has its own problems, aside from being a boring episode of TNG. it is genuinely counterproductive for the Reapers to seed the galaxy with mass effect technology in the hope that someone will develop an alternative, and the stakes (made-up science in a made-up universe) are incredibly dry. disobedient robots covers the same ground in a less tedious way
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Nov 16, 2020 11:49
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The dark matter plot is no more satisfying than the Reapers being about organic vs. synthetic life or w/e. It's just another underwhelming explanation for why there are crazy alien machine gods and wouldn't really change anything about the plot of ME3 even if that was the canonical reason for their creation.
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Nov 16, 2020 12:36
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they should have never made that spacebaby
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Nov 16, 2020 14:29
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Cerberus was pretty confusing though. Their competency/evil levels varied wildly from game to game, and sometimes even within the same game.
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womb with a view posted:Cerberus was pretty confusing though. Their competency/evil levels varied wildly from game to game, and sometimes even within the same game. ME1: High evil, low competence ME2: Low evil, high competence ME3: High evil, low competence, but high volume of incompetent dudes Cerberus might be the single worst part of mass effect.
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Nov 16, 2020 16:40
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Remember when they killed Emily Wong offscreen so they could put an IGN reporter who couldn't act onto the Normandy.
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Nov 16, 2020 16:43
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Yes it is an episode of TNG, but it's a good one: the one where they found out warp technology is breaking space time. I guess I'm a nerd, because the idea that organic life is actively bringing about the end of the universe, but something that a civilization would only care about if it were truly immortal is neat! Rather than the Reaper's forced suicide which seems almost religious, there is an argument to be made the culling is  good if it prolongs the life on the universe.
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Nov 16, 2020 17:04
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The dark energ thing could have also been used to make the reapers more vulnerable. It presumably takes a lot of energy to travel from outside the galaxy without using the backdoor mass relay in the Citadel. Spacetime reality starts breaking down, exhausted reapers are still monumentally dangerous but more susceptible to combined arms fire, and the focus is on how Shepard uniting species to fight the reapers is what wins, rather than star child giving an 11th hour nuclear option.
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Nov 16, 2020 17:16
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Reapers are an ancient machine race that cultivates and then harvests organic life in order to propagate their own cycles. There. That's it. That's all you need. It was even established by the first two games. That's literally all you need.
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Nov 16, 2020 17:21
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exquisite tea posted:Remember when they killed Emily Wong offscreen so they could put an IGN reporter who couldn't act onto the Normandy. I shot her down every time, it was such a gross move by IGN. Pretty sure she was still working there at the time, and it's not like they altered their review score to reflect a conflict of interest (lol I know)
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Nov 16, 2020 17:22
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BrianWilly posted:Reapers are an ancient machine race that cultivates and then harvests organic life in order to propagate their own cycles. They even brought up that the "why" was not important, but then they forgot that I guess???
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Nov 16, 2020 17:22
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exquisite tea posted:Remember when they killed Emily Wong offscreen so they could put an IGN reporter who couldn't act onto the Normandy. https://twitter.com/AllianceNewsNet on March 6 2012, if anyone is bored enough (don't do it!).
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Nov 16, 2020 17:27
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I don't even get why "why" is even a question 'cuz it's like...uh well if they don't propagate their cycle then they...don't exist. Or they'll have to be something entirely different and not Reapers. How are we confused by this? Which part of "they eat people" lost everyone? This is why I still maintain that Andromeda's Kett are actually completely fine as antagonists. They want to dissect races for their genetics because that's just how they develop. Mystery resolved.
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Nov 16, 2020 17:33
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orcane posted:I just had to read her death on Twitter again and it's pretty hilarious.  
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Nov 16, 2020 17:42
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But like, the reapers clearly have impenetrable shields. It makes my head hurt.
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Nov 16, 2020 17:44
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Dark matter is a lot more interesting than organic vs synthetic, but the implementation in your head is probably a lot better than however Bioware would have done it
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Nov 16, 2020 17:49
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exquisite tea posted:Remember when they killed Emily Wong offscreen so they could put an IGN reporter who couldn't act onto the Normandy. this always weirds me out because how many people weren't going to buy Mass Effect 3 but decided to do so because Jessica Chobot was in it? Also they could have had an interesting choice (bring Emily or Khalisah or no one on the ship as an embedded reporter) if they went the other direction
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Nov 16, 2020 17:55
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fzFxl3mj9Fw We did get this out of it.
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Pattonesque posted:... Imagine having the choice between a friendly reporter who will paint you in a positive light 100% of the time but doesn't do much to sway people who aren't already on team Shepard vs a a reporter who is constantly grilling you for over every mistake real or imagined and if you manage to bust out more and more difficult Paragon speeches actually acts as a beacon of hope and resolve during the war. Or I guess a reporter from the payola news network works as well.
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Nov 16, 2020 18:29
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8one6 posted:Imagine having the choice between a friendly reporter who will paint you in a positive light 100% of the time but doesn't do much to sway people who aren't already on team Shepard vs a a reporter who is constantly grilling you for over every mistake real or imagined and if you manage to bust out more and more difficult Paragon speeches actually acts as a beacon of hope and resolve during the war. it's super weird, because like, IGN was gonna give it a good review anyways, so what was the thought process there?
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Nov 16, 2020 18:47
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BrianWilly posted:This is why I still maintain that Andromeda's Kett are actually completely fine as antagonists. They want to dissect races for their genetics because that's just how they develop. Mystery resolved. the Kett look really ugly and dumb, also they're called the Kett
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Nov 16, 2020 18:51
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i remember when me2 was new and players were mad that so many minor characters were apparently recurring or had somehow received a call-back, suggesting that it's stuff like that which makes the galaxy feel small and now we're pining over emily wong and how she should've been the normandy's war correspondent
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Nov 16, 2020 18:53
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hard counter posted:i remember when me2 was new and players were mad that so many minor characters were apparently recurring or had somehow received a call-back, suggesting that it's stuff like that which makes the galaxy feel small Yeah these are definitely the same exact people instead of a thing you made up.
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Nov 16, 2020 19:06
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I’m fine with the Reapers organic vs synthetic mandate. I look at it that the Reapers aren’t seeing themselves as exterminators, but protectors and Shepards (pun intended) of all organic life, and in their flawed logic believing that scooping up the advanced races every 50,000 years and turning them into a DNA slurry is a fine method of saving/archiving all advanced races while preventing other AI from rising up and preventing galactic life from flourishing. Of course it’s not an actual solution, but I never had a problem believing that the Reapers truly believe it is. Hell, Harbinger is probably super pissed at Shepard because he feels Shepard is hindering their attempts to protect and archive humanity. I’m fine with it. I don’t think there could ever be a satisfying revelation regarding an unknowable force. You either keep it unknowable, which is how’d I’d prefer it, or you explain it so fans can have their reveal. Were it up to me, there wouldn’t be a discernible “reason” the Reapers do anything. Just show Shep and crew noticing patterns of behavior and postulating, and that’s it. They can still kill Reapers.
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exquisite tea posted:Yeah these are definitely the same exact people instead of a thing you made up. man, there are so many ways to respond to that post but reading into it that, i, in bad faith, am accusing specific people of hypocrisy rather than observing a change in the overall discussion as it moves from its earliest impressions to reminiscing 10 years later, has got to be indicative of some kind of over-sensitivity
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Nov 16, 2020 19:25
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chaosapiant posted:I’m fine with the Reapers organic vs synthetic mandate. I look at it that the Reapers aren’t seeing themselves as exterminators, but protectors and Shepards (pun intended) of all organic life, and in their flawed logic believing that scooping up the advanced races every 50,000 years and turning them into a DNA slurry is a fine method of saving/archiving all advanced races while preventing other AI from rising up and preventing galactic life from flourishing. Of course it’s not an actual solution, but I never had a problem believing that the Reapers truly believe it is. Hell, Harbinger is probably super pissed at Shepard because he feels Shepard is hindering their attempts to protect and archive humanity. I’m fine with it. I don’t think there could ever be a satisfying revelation regarding an unknowable force. You either keep it unknowable, which is how’d I’d prefer it, or you explain it so fans can have their reveal. Yeah the true right move is that they're unknowable horrors from the darkness between stars. They don't talk to galactic civilizations any more than a farmer talks to corn. Short of short interactions their motivations should be a mystery besides "kill all galactic life" "Rudimentary creatures of blood and flesh, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding " 
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hard counter posted:i remember when me2 was new and players were mad that so many minor characters were apparently recurring or had somehow received a call-back, suggesting that it's stuff like that which makes the galaxy feel small I just think it was a weird decision to do what they did with Allers, 'cause you've got two reporter characters who could have made for an interesting choice AND it's not like the new character was played by someone who was gonna bring people to the franchise
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Nov 16, 2020 20:39
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Someone with an MBA who knows a lot about “Gamer Culture” said to bring her in as a reporter and didn’t even realize there were already two other reporter character in the series, I guarantee it.
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Nov 16, 2020 22:58
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Nov 16, 2020 23:12
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just remembered this part of andromeda where some AI on the ice planet is cumming in an angarans mouth or something https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f_iIDvEhEww
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Arcsquad12 posted:"Gamer culture." I hope that was fresh out of the box, otherwise ewwww at all the dried sweat she licked off
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Moola posted:I hope that was fresh out of the box, otherwise ewwww at all the dried sweat she licked off Looks like someone at least initialized it and had it setup. Maybe it was hers? Also I don’t care what she licks, she’s not Emily Wong.
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