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# ? Nov 15, 2020 04:26 |
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# ? May 28, 2024 15:29 |
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It is funny Stalin ended up being the architect of Marxist-Leninism when one of Lenin's last acts was to advocate for his immediate removal from power
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# ? Nov 15, 2020 13:23 |
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Taintrunner posted:
it's a funny joke
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# ? Nov 15, 2020 13:44 |
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indigi posted:I truly can’t believe people are talking about the holodomor in 2020 as a “genocide” like it wasn’t a famine that got spun into a Nazi propaganda creation that was popularized by William Randolph Hearst and was widely debunked in American popular culture by the 50s. what a time to be alive Ukranian Bandarists have outsized influence in Canada to the point where there is a public monument to a SS division and they want to build a Victims of Communism monument literally in front of the Holocaust Memorial.
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# ? Nov 15, 2020 13:51 |
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# ? Nov 15, 2020 15:44 |
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The "all lives matter" of anti-imperialism
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# ? Nov 15, 2020 15:46 |
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Anyway here's a hot take: https://twitter.com/KFILE/status/1327355628722020352
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# ? Nov 15, 2020 15:51 |
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obama had such lovely people working for him its no suprise trump came after https://twitter.com/Capricciola/status/1328201362245623809?s=20
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# ? Nov 16, 2020 12:09 |
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https://twitter.com/LizMair/status/1328329844543934465?s=20
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# ? Nov 16, 2020 14:59 |
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Remember, the reason I started the race war was Paul’s instructions on helter skelter. And Dennis Wilson was right there with me.
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# ? Nov 16, 2020 15:35 |
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he's half-right. it's not leftists in general that are like this, just tankies
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# ? Nov 16, 2020 18:24 |
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Its Coke posted:he's half-right. it's not leftists in general that are like this, just tankies absent any extra information, immediately going against the united states' side during a geopolitical conflict is almost always the right move. The one exception I can see is the second world war, where they were aligned with communists due to fascism picking a fight with everyone. Even the guys they try to prop up to overthrow dictators tend to be worse than the dictators they are replacing.
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# ? Nov 16, 2020 18:29 |
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Ardent Communist posted:absent any extra information, immediately going against the united states' side during a geopolitical conflict is almost always the right move. Oh I so I suppose you would have taken Hi quote:The one exception I can see is the second world war, where they were aligned with communists due to fascism picking a fight with everyone. Cut me off at the pass.
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# ? Nov 16, 2020 19:50 |
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# ? Nov 16, 2020 20:02 |
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Ardent Communist posted:absent any extra information, immediately going against the united states' side during a geopolitical conflict is almost always the right move. The one exception I can see is the second world war, where they were aligned with communists due to fascism picking a fight with everyone. The second world war, where the communists aligned with the US after their Fascist allies betrayed them.
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# ? Nov 16, 2020 20:17 |
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I mean they weren’t really allies unless you think the UK were their allies after the Chamberlain treaty
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# ? Nov 16, 2020 20:18 |
Its Coke posted:he's half-right. it's not leftists in general that are like this, just tankies What, the anarchists are extremely like this at all times
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# ? Nov 16, 2020 20:18 |
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CharlestheHammer posted:I mean they weren’t really allies unless you think the UK were their allies after the Chamberlain treaty The Soviets let the Nazis use their territory to develop their tanks and tank tactics, in defiance of the Versailles treaty. They then teamed up and invaded Poland together. Call it an alliance or a very special friendship but the Soviets were very helpful to the rise of the Nazis.
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# ? Nov 16, 2020 20:22 |
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I am not going to call it something it isn’t nah
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# ? Nov 16, 2020 20:31 |
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CharlestheHammer posted:I am not going to call it something it isn’t nah What would you call it then? Were they Pact Pals? Was it a tank test tie-up? A Poland pulverizing pair? They were, at the very least, highly coordinated co-belligerents vs Poland.
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# ? Nov 16, 2020 20:36 |
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America had to be dragged into fighting the nazis and technically only did so because year ally, Japan, attacked them. The father and grandfather of future presidents lovef them so much he refused to stop selling them war materials.
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# ? Nov 16, 2020 20:52 |
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Hodgepodge posted:America had to be dragged into fighting the nazis and technically only did so because year ally, Japan, attacked them. The father and grandfather of future presidents lovef them so much he refused to stop selling them war materials. America didn't declare war but did provide substantial aid to anti-Nazi countries prior to Pearl Harbor, which is sub-optimal but at least it's not actually pro-Nazi, as the Soviets were right up until Barbarossa.
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# ? Nov 16, 2020 21:05 |
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thekeeshman posted:The Soviets let the Nazis use their territory to develop their tanks and tank tactics, in defiance of the Versailles treaty. They then teamed up and invaded Poland together. Call it an alliance or a very special friendship but the Soviets were very helpful to the rise of the Nazis. Yeah, that's what a moron thinks about the pre-war relationship between Germany and the Soviet Union. You're ignoring (either out of ignorance or because you're arguing in bad faith) that Stalin tried to get multiple alliances against Germany, with France, Great Britain, even Poland. That last one is surprising, because Poland's government was massively anti-soviet, and both sides had bad blood because of what happened during the revolution. Then it's also ignoring how Stalin made overtures during that whole appeasement thing to stop Hitler, since Czechoslovakia could have withstood Germany far better than Poland, both due to more defensible borders and more tanks (it's helpful to remember how much stronger the german tank forces got once they could implement all those tanks into their forces). Then it's ignoring that if Stalin didn't invade Poland (some stalinists like to argue that since the government had left the country by the time the Red army invaded it wasn't an invasion, but I don't bother) then Germany, who was already winning handily in Poland, would have moved the borders that much further east. That border being moved west both helped the Soviet Union put more land between Germany and their major population centres, and the Jewish population in those areas who were able to be moved east when Barbarossa happened. Basically all of Stalin's action between the wars should be seen in the light that he was doing everything he could to prepare to strengthen and defend the Soviet Union for the war that many people could see coming. The results speak for themselves.
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# ? Nov 16, 2020 21:11 |
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Ardent Communist posted:Yeah, that's what a moron thinks about the pre-war relationship between Germany and the Soviet Union. You're ignoring (either out of ignorance or because you're arguing in bad faith) that Stalin tried to get multiple alliances against Germany, with France, Great Britain, even Poland. That last one is surprising, because Poland's government was massively anti-soviet, and both sides had bad blood because of what happened during the revolution. The invasion of Poland was literally the thing which brought the UK and France into the war against Germany, which Stalin knew would happen since they had guaranteed Poland's safety. If Stalin was so worried about Hitler, he could have joined the war on the Allies' side at that point, so it would have been UK, France, Poland, and the Soviets vs the Nazis and Italy, which might have had a chance. Instead he helped the Nazis neutralize Poland, which freed up Nazi resources to deal with the French and British, after which the Nazis were able to concentrate their forces against the Soviets since they had eliminated every land opponent in Europe (again, with Soviet help). Stalin passed up the chance to actually do something about Nazi expansion and aggression when they were comparatively weak and chose instead to ally with the Nazis and help them invade another country. I would also point out that the invasion of Poland becomes a riskier proposition without Soviet help, since they would have to deal with all of Poland as well as the entry of Britain and France, and that the Soviet alliance might have been the factor which made the Nazis decide to go ahead in the first place. The Soviets were so ashamed of their own behavior that they denied the existence of the pact until 1989, despite the German copies having been published soon after the war's end.
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# ? Nov 16, 2020 22:14 |
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The Something Awful Forums > Discussion > C-SPAM: it means clown spam > Hot Takes: If Stalin was so worried about Hitler,
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# ? Nov 16, 2020 22:24 |
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thekeeshman posted:The invasion of Poland was literally the thing which brought the UK and France into the war against Germany, which Stalin knew would happen since they had guaranteed Poland's safety. If Stalin was so worried about Hitler, he could have joined the war on the Allies' side at that point, so it would have been UK, France, Poland, and the Soviets vs the Nazis and Italy, which might have had a chance. source your quotes
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# ? Nov 16, 2020 22:24 |
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hey everyone I found a really crazy hot take!thekeeshman posted:The Soviets let the Nazis use their territory to develop their tanks and tank tactics, in defiance of the Versailles treaty. They then teamed up and invaded Poland together. Call it an alliance or a very special friendship but the Soviets were very helpful to the rise of the Nazis.
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# ? Nov 16, 2020 22:29 |
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drat that’s hosed up. turns out people who use “tankie” unironically have lots of bad brained dogshit clogging up the pipes
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# ? Nov 16, 2020 22:32 |
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thekeeshman posted:The second world war, where the communists aligned with the US after their Fascist allies betrayed them. how do you still arrive at this thought process after 2020? lib brain cobwebs have to be cleaned out or you will be lost to time and space
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# ? Nov 16, 2020 23:08 |
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take I just came up with: 95% of the time if an article says "that's a good thing," it's not
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# ? Nov 16, 2020 23:23 |
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How did Romania end up in the Axis instead of aligned with France anyway?
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# ? Nov 16, 2020 23:32 |
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Ardent Communist posted:
If Stalin really was doing everything he could to prepare for inevitable war with Germany you'd have thought he'd have been less surprised by military intelligence telling him the Nazis were about to invade and enacted countermeasures for that long anticipated event before they actually invaded his country
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# ? Nov 16, 2020 23:36 |
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multijoe posted:If Stalin really was doing everything he could to prepare for inevitable war with Germany you'd have thought he'd have been less surprised by military intelligence telling him the Nazis were about to invade and enacted countermeasures for that long anticipated event before they actually invaded his country what do you think moving all industry to the ural mountains about? Do you think it was all spontaneous? how is your concept of time and space btw?
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# ? Nov 16, 2020 23:37 |
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multijoe posted:If Stalin really was doing everything he could to prepare for inevitable war with Germany you'd have thought he'd have been less surprised by military intelligence telling him the Nazis were about to invade and enacted countermeasures for that long anticipated event before they actually invaded his country Or he was trying to buy as much time as he could, and he knew that once you start mobilizing for war, you can't stop, and anybody that was thinking of invading will definitely do it the second you start mobilizing. But you're right, he wasn't infallible and the sheer shock stopped him from acting for a couple days. Luckily all the other preparations he and the soviet people had done proved enough to overcome the largest invasion force in history.
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# ? Nov 16, 2020 23:39 |
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multijoe posted:If Stalin really was doing everything he could to prepare for inevitable war with Germany you'd have thought he'd have been less surprised by military intelligence telling him the Nazis were about to invade and enacted countermeasures for that long anticipated event before they actually invaded his country read a book about the Eastern front of World War II please Ardent Communist posted:But you're right, he wasn't infallible and the sheer shock stopped him from acting for a couple days. nope
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# ? Nov 16, 2020 23:39 |
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Could you guys get your own story straight before you queue up to tell me why I'm wrong at least?
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# ? Nov 16, 2020 23:41 |
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multijoe posted:Could you guys get your own story straight before you queue up to tell me why I'm wrong at least? you're extremely confident about something you've demonstrated profound ignorance about
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# ? Nov 16, 2020 23:43 |
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indigi posted:you're extremely confident about something you've demonstrated profound ignorance about
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# ? Nov 16, 2020 23:43 |
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Frosted Flake posted:How did Romania end up in the Axis instead of aligned with France anyway? The Romanian king instituted a royal dictatorship in 1938 and aligned himself with domestic fascists, which led to a lot of internal politicking about a military confrontation with the USSR and when the breakdown of the defensive treaty Romania had with Poland when the Poles got invaded let Romania remain a neutral power, they got first-hand knowledge of exactly what a treaty with France would have been worth in 1940. The Soviet Union wasn't too pleased to be neighbors with a fascist-sympathizing absolute monarchy and Romania had already had a big kerfuffle over refusing Soviets military access through the country in a theoretical Soviet-German war over Czechoslovakia, so their options there were extremely limited on the eastern front. So they couldn't remain neutral, because they were an oil exporter and any kind of modern war would necessarily require access to the Romanian oilfields or the denial of them to the enemy, they couldn't be a part of the allies because France had just gotten steamrolled and Britain couldn't do poo poo on the continent, they had a bad history with the Soviets who were very interested in making parts of the Romanian border part of the Moldovan SSR, so the only option left was ally with the rest of their neighbors in the Axis.
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# ? Nov 16, 2020 23:54 |
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# ? May 28, 2024 15:29 |
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Malleum posted:The Romanian king instituted a royal dictatorship in 1938 and aligned himself with domestic fascists, which led to a lot of internal politicking about a military confrontation with the USSR and when the breakdown of the defensive treaty Romania had with Poland when the Poles got invaded let Romania remain a neutral power, they got first-hand knowledge of exactly what a treaty with France would have been worth in 1940. The Soviet Union wasn't too pleased to be neighbors with a fascist-sympathizing absolute monarchy and Romania had already had a big kerfuffle over refusing Soviets military access through the country in a theoretical Soviet-German war over Czechoslovakia, so their options there were extremely limited on the eastern front. So they couldn't remain neutral, because they were an oil exporter and any kind of modern war would necessarily require access to the Romanian oilfields or the denial of them to the enemy, they couldn't be a part of the allies because France had just gotten steamrolled and Britain couldn't do poo poo on the continent, they had a bad history with the Soviets who were very interested in making parts of the Romanian border part of the Moldovan SSR, so the only option left was ally with the rest of their neighbors in the Axis. antifa kept calling Romania fascist so they were like, if you are going to be mean to me i might as well commit genocide and then they did
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# ? Nov 17, 2020 00:02 |