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therattle posted:Corbyn was stupid for saying what he said when he said it (what did he expect?), the party was stupid for suspending him. They had to let him back and I’m glad they have, but it’s an absolute fiasco all round. What
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therattle posted:Corbyn was stupid for saying what he said when he said it (what did he expect?), the party was stupid for suspending him. They had to let him back and I’m glad they have, but it’s an absolute fiasco all round. Corbyn was 100% right and it had to be said.
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therattle posted:Corbyn was stupid for saying what he said when he said it (what did he expect?), the party was stupid for suspending him. They had to let him back and I’m glad they have, but it’s an absolute fiasco all round. What was he meant to do, exactly, Claim that antisemitism was a huge problem under his leadership and that it's endemic in the labour party? I really loving hate this take but the reason labour sucks now is they concede ground on everything to the centre or right of the political spectrum, and never fight for any causes. Why fight for a world without poverty when you could just look at the fuckin algorithm and go "oh, actually the electorate likes some people in poverty, so we'll go halves and say we hope to eradicate poverty in *rolls dice* the elderly"
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DesperateDan posted:loving hell he just can't resist the chance to punch himself in the balls, over, and over, and over again Well at least he managed to agree with something both sides of the party can support. He truly found unity in Labour in a way we have to give him credit for.
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Nov 17, 2020 21:58
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https://twitter.com/francesweetman/status/1328778356985372673?s=20 It's been a big day for weetman.
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Nov 17, 2020 22:03
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Ash Crimson posted:What He's right. Corbyn is now saying ignore me and all this let's fight the Tories. Well yeah.
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Nov 17, 2020 22:03
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Starmer's response to all this is indicative of how running a political party is different to running a big organisation. Corbyn's suspension was fundamentally political and Starmer needed to respond politically. Instead, he's given a bureaucratic response to a political crisis and it says so much about him. Assuming he didn't initiate it, as soon as he heard of the suspension, he should have known that he needed to either immediately rescind it and publicly slap the general secretary down, or endorse it and vigorously follow it through. Letting it all drag out as you bleat on about the need to follow the proper processes and who's precisely authorised to do what just makes you look weak and infuriates both of the factions that you're trying to juggle.
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Nov 17, 2020 22:03
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therattle posted:Corbyn was stupid for saying what he said when he said it (what did he expect?), the party was stupid for suspending him. They had to let him back and I’m glad they have, but it’s an absolute fiasco all round. Corbyn was right and BoD are a tory front. Suck it.
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Nov 17, 2020 22:04
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Keir Starmer: 'corbyn is a bad bad man for saying something entirely uncontroversial and supported by the EHRC report so I interfered with the disciplinary process to suspend him, and his reinstatement - which my own people on the NEC supported - fails the jewish community (just ignore all the jewish groups saying he's good) and I am very very sorry for the hurt this has caused, which is why the decision was made unanimously including by my own people, but I can't interfere with the disciplinary process here' This is like watching Sideshow Bob run about stepping on rakes lmao. I have never seen someone so averse to committing to anything that they manage to appear so utterly incoherent that it alienates every single faction of their own party so completely, it's like some Platonic form of centrism, jesus loving christ. Twenty points ahead indeed.
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Nov 17, 2020 22:04
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I’m not saying Corbyn was wrong. I am saying he was wrong to say it then in immediate response to the report, when it was very clear which way the wind was blowing. This is not a rhetorical question: what did he think would happen? It just inflamed matters further.
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Nov 17, 2020 22:09
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therattle posted:I’m not saying Corbyn was wrong. I am saying he was wrong to say it then in immediate response to the report, when it was very clear which way the wind was blowing. This is not a rhetorical question: what did he think would happen? It just inflamed matters further. Wrong again.
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Nov 17, 2020 22:10
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I'm not super savvy about british politics, could someone tell me briefly what happened tonight? A vote to exclude Jeremy Corbin, which failed? (Is what I'm guessing from a selection of Praxiscast tweets).
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Nov 17, 2020 22:12
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the guardian really is trash https://twitter.com/breadandposes/status/1328782118328086531?s=20
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Nov 17, 2020 22:13
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Gonzo McFee posted:Wrong again. Nah, if Corbyn wanted to provoke this fight then obviously what he said was true and he had every right to say it. But there's no evidence he wanted a fight. Everything he's said since has been walking it back, telling people not to quit the party and now calling for unity. It seems obvious he didn't want to provoke a row, in which case he should've released a bland statement and simply cut the line about the media whipping up froth about antisemitism. It's not like it actually added anything to the debate or changed any minds. On the basis of him not wanting to make waves it was a dumb thing to say, and suspending him was a dumb thing to do. Everyone has come out of this looking bad.
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Nov 17, 2020 22:16
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Aeble posted:I'm not super savvy about british politics, could someone tell me briefly what happened tonight? A vote to exclude Jeremy Corbin, which failed? (Is what I'm guessing from a selection of Praxiscast tweets). Keir Starmer managed to preside over the reinstatement of Jeremy Corbyn after his suspension (alienating the right faction) while continuing to (implicitly) maintain he's a dangerous antisemite (alienating the left faction), so he's just spinning around pissing everyone off while looking totally incoherent and pathetic, is the tldr
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Nov 17, 2020 22:17
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How do you take a report that was saying "B-, must try harder" and turn it into a clusterfuck that occupies multiple news cycles weeks apart?
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Jose posted:the guardian really is trash Come on Crombon, put that legal fund to use.
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Nov 17, 2020 22:19
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Strom Cuzewon posted:How do you take a report that was saying "B-, must try harder" and turn it into a clusterfuck that occupies multiple news cycles weeks apart?
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Nov 17, 2020 22:20
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Strom Cuzewon posted:How do you take a report that was saying "B-, must try harder" and turn it into a clusterfuck that occupies multiple news cycles weeks apart? The news got multiple days of headlines accusing Corbyn of being a Soviet spy based on one guy who was a known liar and the press are absolute scum so I have a little sympathy about something getting totally mangled to get a news report out of it.
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Nov 17, 2020 22:21
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therattle posted:I’m not saying Corbyn was wrong. I am saying he was wrong to say it then in immediate response to the report, when it was very clear which way the wind was blowing. This is not a rhetorical question: what did he think would happen? It just inflamed matters further. this a "gargling somebody elses piss" level of take
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Nov 17, 2020 22:22
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ThomasPaine posted:Twenty points ahead indeed. All logic says an empty suit doing nothing should beat the Tories right now, and by God, we have to give credit to Starmer for trying to be exactly that.
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Nov 17, 2020 22:23
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therattle posted:I’m not saying Corbyn was wrong. I am saying he was wrong to say it then in immediate response to the report, when it was very clear which way the wind was blowing. This is not a rhetorical question: what did he think would happen? It just inflamed matters further.
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Nov 17, 2020 22:30
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lol https://twitter.com/TheKafkaDude/status/1328790832011505670?s=20
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ThomasPaine posted:lmfao this is the most pathetic display I've ever witnessed Can't believe you haven't opened my dick pic PM
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Nov 17, 2020 22:33
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Best thing about all of this is that its a fight Starmer absolutely didn't need to have but he went for it anyway. Like, if I had to think it all through, Corbyn staying in Labour and pleading for unity so they can beat the Tories in the next election works out in their favour as well. Its not even as if he has a big enough ego to push hard for a cabinet position or the leadership again, hes probably quite happy doing what he did before 2015 and hes looking forward to a few more years where he can retire and chill out with his family and work on the allotment. But they couldn't resist it could they lol
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ThomasPaine posted:Keir Starmer managed to preside over the reinstatement of Jeremy Corbyn after his suspension (alienating the right faction) while continuing to (implicitly) maintain he's a dangerous antisemite (alienating the left faction), so he's just spinning around pissing everyone off while looking totally incoherent and pathetic, is the tldr Thanks! That does seem super inept. How did he become leader with political instincts like that?
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Aeble posted:Thanks! his main opponent projected school teacher who has trouble keeping control of the class energy at all times
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Aeble posted:Thanks! He was the most bland, white, centrist, male candidate and a whole lot of people thought the party needed a bland, white, centrist, male leader to compete with the Tories.
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Continuity RCP posted:It's been absolutely crazy, we've had more volunteers than we can handle and the press interest has been great. A lot of us aren't hardcore veteran campaigners so we weren't sure what to expect and I think we've been pleasantly surprised. Lots of positive contacts with other groups too, we're friendly with Welsh groups and had some informal advice from Scottish indy people. Cool! I'm really psyched for youse. I know a handful of people in Northumbria who might be keen, if you want you can get in touch with me on twitter @KlezmerRouge and I can put you in touch. Also if you want to network with the republican socialist faction of the scottish independence movement I'm a member and can help facilitate. Or just DM me on here.
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Answers Me posted:https://twitter.com/keir_starmer/status/1328793679268634624?s=21 Here's how it should have gone: We are very sorry that the Corbyn years were so painful for the Jewish community, almost entirely due to this country's gutter press, half of whom supported Hitler, and almost all of whom had just spent the past 5 years calling Ed Miliband The Jew of Fitzrovia, had to find something, anything, to smear Corbyn with, and when the best that they could come up with was "he slept with a black" and "he'll nationalize your water" and those turned out to be pretty popular, a gift fell into their laps that he liked a thumbnail of a mural depicting antisemitic caricatures of Episcopalian J. P. Morgan and Baptist John D. Rockefeller playing monopoly on the backs of BAME people once. From this followed an forth ocean of bullshit as the entirety of the press realized that they could just say "I saw Corbyn and Abbot making Hitlers and the Hitler looked at me" as the analysis of every tiny event and people would believe it, and virtue signalling liberal celebrities and public figures like 'blackface comedian' and 'did sports in the 80s, maybe?' came out everywhere to condemn him because they were actually worried about their taxes but you can't just say that, and also because making yourself look better than the anti-racist man by performatively dragging him down is easier than making yourself better, to the point where the communicating class was going on about a second Holocaust every five minutes. We are truly sorry for that, and you deserve better. namesake posted:The news got multiple days of headlines accusing Corbyn of being a Soviet spy based on one guy who was a known liar and the press are absolute scum so I have a little sympathy about something getting totally mangled to get a news report out of it.
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Aeble posted:Thanks! Disorientation of and lack of legacy planning on the left really. Corbyn got wrecked by 2019 and resigned without being able to get any decent, widely known successors in the party able to be the left candidate after his resignation. This meant the right could prop up Starmer as an escape from all the horrible media attacks and a bunch of the membership either hate the left or were convinced that they could still be left without having the press be hostile and so voted him in.
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"having political positions that we have to defend is difficult, it's easier to just steal tory policies, water them down a bit and paint them red" - centrists in labour
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Nov 17, 2020 22:40
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Answers Me posted:https://twitter.com/keir_starmer/status/1328793679268634624?s=21 has he commented on that other report that just got published yet?
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sebzilla posted:What if you live in a part of the country with little to no regional identity? You help the existing projects succeed and work to establish your own regional delineation. As we’re seeing, these things can be created and projected into concrete existence without relying on like, historical or primal definitions. Who gives a poo poo. Make a new one. Go for it. Breaking up the UK has been the only path for the left here definitely since I moved here in 2010, and probably since before then.
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Nov 17, 2020 22:45
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lol jfc https://twitter.com/Ellou_a/status/1328809607028994050?s=20
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Nov 17, 2020 22:48
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I'm gonna go with "bluff"
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Nov 17, 2020 22:50
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Labour does have an antisemitism problem, but it's people like this: https://twitter.com/marcusbarnett_/status/1328766460550844421 
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loving 71 year old man sitting at his twitter account doing "lol pronouns in bio" posts, what a great respected figurehead of journalism
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