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Tulip posted:The domestication of humans thing is SUPER loving HORRIFYING JESUS. Morokanth claim that herdmen aren't humans, they just look like them. They also tend to have a larger number of herdmen after they take captives.
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Tulip posted:The domestication of humans thing is SUPER loving HORRIFYING JESUS. Herdmen can actually eat grass and not have it damage their teeth/ internals. The Morokanth also have 1) Special magic that lets the grow thumbs 2) Special magic that means that Herdmen can be trained to think about things and 3) wiegieman posted:Morokanth claim that herdmen aren't humans, they just look like them. This. Morokanth are terrifying but mythologically important.
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Herd Men aren't humans, they're domesticated apes. So say the gods, and why do you think you know better? You can get herd-man meat on the streets of Nochet and New Pavis, it's pretty decent. Tastes like pork. You don't get punished by spirits of reprisal for cannibalism for eating it either, so it's pretty clear cut.wiegieman posted:Morokanth claim that herdmen aren't humans, they just look like them. In-setting the Morokanth magic to turn a human into a herd-man is no more or less horrifying than a witch turning someone into a toad.
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Nov 16, 2020 03:33
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Nanomashoes posted:Herd Men aren't humans, they're domesticated apes. So say the gods, and why do you think you know better? You can get herd-man meat on the streets of Nochet and New Pavis, it's pretty decent. Tastes like pork. You don't get punished by spirits of reprisal for cannibalism for eating it either, so it's pretty clear cut. If there was a group of people turning their captured enemies into cows and butchering them, they would be rightfully reviled. Would a non-praxian also be protected from the spirits that punish cannibalism? What if they knew where the herdmen came from, or a particular herdman? (As I am Illuminated by the shining face of Our Goddess/a representative of Hrestol's enlightened kingdom, I automatically think I know better than everyone who isn't.)
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wiegieman posted:If there was a group of people turning their captured enemies into cows and butchering them, they would be rightfully reviled. Once you're a herd man, you're an animal. Period. Non-Praxians eat them just fine, even if you knew them before, though I don't think that's ever happened. It's not a very common spell for Morokanth to cast, it takes a huge investment including permanent sacrifice of POW. They only use it on people they really hate, or people who they really want to send a message about.
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If you want a better reason to hate Morokanth then they're one of the biggest slave taking and slave trading groups in the world. You see, their tapir hands are absolutely terrible at tool making and tool using, which is like, the fundamental building block of civilization. They're utterly dependent on human humans to make them clothes and weapons and stuff, and the best way to get a human to do that is to enslave them. Then they got good at raiding and slave taking and wound up with a surplus, so they kept the craftsmen and sold the rest to anyone that was buying, which is most of Glorantha. Other Praxian tribes, Lunars, Esrolians, like half of all Orlanthi clans; slaves are valuable, so the Morokanth are always after more. Of course this also facilitates getting people the gently caress out of Prax, which is an awful place to live, so I don't see it as all bad.
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I genuinely do not get why the nomads haven't just left. Prax is so awful, their entire mythology boils down to "and then Waha taught us how to barely survive in the horrible wasteland the gods left behind." I guess the better land is taken.
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Someone's gotta stick around and keep the lights on so broos don't start messing with The Block.
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wiegieman posted:I genuinely do not get why the nomads haven't just left. Prax is so awful, their entire mythology boils down to "and then Waha taught us how to barely survive in the horrible wasteland the gods left behind." Magic is a pretty important part of survival in Glorantha, and SOME sort of mythic connection to the land in which you live is actually pretty important to your magic working right. Some of the praxian nomads probably do leave Prax, but I doubt they recognizably stay praxian nomads for long, when their magic is so specialized for living in prax.
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reignonyourparade posted:Magic is a pretty important part of survival in Glorantha, and SOME sort of mythic connection to the land in which you live is actually pretty important to your magic working right. Some of the praxian nomads probably do leave Prax, but I doubt they recognizably stay praxian nomads for long, when their magic is so specialized for living in prax. There were a few Sable Lancer dynasties in what would become the Lunar Empire right? Also I think the tribes stay there because, well, where else is there? There are still fertile bits and, in one example of true irony, the various different species of animal could all survive on different food there is no explicit need for competition between the tribes.
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Don't the Morokanth need to take someone else's thumbs?
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A Hsunchen mercenary in the Waertagi fleet at the battle of Tanian's Victory, 718 ST: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RoSs9-NDP3E
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Nanomashoes posted:A Hsunchen mercenary in the Waertagi fleet at the battle of Tanian's Victory, 718 ST: Gods drat you.
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Mimir posted:Is Cult Compendium and Gods of Glorantha the canonical Big Book Of Cults for RQG until they put out whatever big book of magic they’re working on? There's also Glorantha: the Second Age: Cults of Glorantha.
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Nanomashoes posted:There's also Glorantha: the Second Age: Cults of Glorantha. Not inaccurate, really, and not just in respect of Glorantha/RuneQuest: Mongoose has always been kind of a sloppy shop that got big initially largely because: - Their D20 shovelware was just a shade nicer than a lot of the other D20 shovelware on the market, though still very much of a shovelware standard. - Paranoia XP and the first of their editions of Traveller managed to win people over because they closely imitated the layout of classic material from the product line - allowing them to cheap out on the production values whilst simultaneously giving the sense of bringing back the glory years. (Actually true for Paranoia, though that was more WEG veteran Allan Varney's doing than any actual Mongoose employee's.) - They lucked out and got some juicy licences before losing more or less all of them bar Paranoia and Traveller by this point. and in the latter two cases one suspects that the rights owners have a similarly lackadaisical attitude to quality control to Mongoose (or they are counting down the days until they can pull the licence).
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Do we know anything at all about where Gods of Glorantha stands as of right now?
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I've been curious about the Mongoose stuff, but it seems like the only way to get eyes on it at this point is to track down physical copies. It's not super surprising that Mongoose would try to glom onto Glorantha at some point, or that they'd do kind of a half-assed job of it. Back in the mid-aughts they were publishing a ton of d20 licensed games while also putting out miniatures for Starship Troopers, Judge Dredd, Babylon 5, and a few house games to boot. Their reach massively exceeded their grasp.
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Rand Brittain posted:Do we know anything at all about where Gods of Glorantha stands as of right now? In summary: - They regard canon as solely relevant to their own purposes in terms of publishing stuff and keeping things straight and encourage anyone who is not actually Chaosium to not sweat it too much. - Guide to Glorantha, Glorantha Sourcebook, and King of Sartar are the main foundational canon texts, along with a few pamphlets from the Stafford Library. - "95%" of the RQ2/RQ3 work is considered still compatible, except some bits have changed in light of the Guide to Glorantha - the depictions of the Western regions from RQ3 are cited as having changed. - In terms of cult stuff, Trollpac, Cults of Prax, and Cults of Terror are cited as being sources they "heavily rely on" - that'd correspond to Cult Compendium, so I guess Gods of Glorantha is secondary to that. - Mongoose poo poo is specifically punted out of canon with extreme prejudice, in terms which are so amusing I do suggest clicking on that link to read what's said. The bridge is not just burned, it is nuked. Just Dan Again posted:I've been curious about the Mongoose stuff, but it seems like the only way to get eyes on it at this point is to track down physical copies. My favourite Mongoose story has to be the time when they decided they could not be hosed with dealing with printers any more, and so decided to just acquire and run their own printer. This led to a shocking decline in already shaky product quality because it turns out running a printer is hard. And then there's debacles like the Kickstarter for the latest edition of Paranoia, which they decided to give James Wallis the lead design job despite him already being quite late on delivering his Alas Vegas Kickstarter. (Among the scattered broken promises associated with the latter was Wallis' compensation to the backers for the lateness of the game: everyone who got Alas Vegas would also get a PDF of Far West when it came out. Yes, really, he thought it was sensible to associated himself with that. I suspect it was an oblique "gently caress you" to the backers, since his relations with them were pretty poor.) Predictably, Wallis ended up delaying the project massively by being really late about delivering the design, and the whole thing ended up being one of the few situations where Mongoose seemed like the more professional party.
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Warthur posted:Here's Chaosium's official rundown of how they are handling canon these days. No, I mean, the book of that name that they were working on, or whatever they called it. The one that used to be Belintar's Book.
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Rand Brittain posted:No, I mean, the book of that name that they were working on, or whatever they called it. The one that used to be Belintar's Book. Ah, right, confusing. Here's a blog post: https://www.chaosium.com/blogwhats-happening-with-rqg-2-the-gods-of-glorantha/ Basically, the manuscript was done as of August 2018, but they need to commission a shitton of art and were already being cautious about how long that would take back in the beforetime before COVID. I would be very surprised to get it before middle of next year in PDF.
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Jeff actually kept expanding the manuscript through 2019. The current plan is to cover ~100 cults in depth, in a three-book slipcase; one of those books is a "prosopaedia" with one-paragraph overviews of 750 cults. The prosopaedia is entering layout soon -- possibly as early as next month -- but the rest is waiting on the massive amount of art coming in. Jeff has been posting previews of the art over on the Facebook Runequest group. Between art, layout, editing, and possibly making room for other publications coming out before or at the same time -- such as the Sartar homeland book and the large book of magic that is meant to be a companion to the cults book -- I wouldn't be surprised if the cults book got pushed to 2022. Sedenya only knows when the GM book, the decade-in-development Prax book, etc. will ever come out.
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Blind Azathoth posted:the Sartar homeland book Oh come the gently caress on, another one?
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reignonyourparade posted:Oh come the gently caress on, another one? It's a tradition. I wouldn't know what to do without a new team immediately deciding to produce another Sartar intro, even if it was less immediate than usual this time out.
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At this point the original nochet joke has gone from joke to actual literal prophesy.
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EverettLO posted:It's a tradition. I wouldn't know what to do without a new team immediately deciding to produce another Sartar intro, even if it was less immediate than usual this time out. Sidebar: The Hero Wars Begin posted:A book on playing competing Lunar noble houses is finally released, and the foundations of the world shake.
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So I've only been closely following Glorantha for less than a decade now (rather than just being dimly aware of it) and so I've only seen these cycles before in old forum posts and reviewing old product lines. What are the odds that we get a more comprehensive look at the third age than in past iterations given that the license is basically all back in the hands of Chaosium?
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reignonyourparade posted:Oh come the gently caress on, another one? Apparently, despite the fact that Greg and Jeff themselves wrote the last Sartar books only a decade ago, they somehow didn't turn out the way Jeff wanted. He has criticized them repeatedly in recent years and insists this new book will finally be the definitive work on the region. In other words, the war against Elmal will only be won once every mention of him is replaced with "a small, local variant of Yelmalio." Jeff continues to fight the good fight that he... started by writing up the Elmal cult ten years ago...
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Blind Azathoth posted:Apparently, despite the fact that Greg and Jeff themselves wrote the last Sartar books only a decade ago, they somehow didn't turn out the way Jeff wanted. He has criticized them repeatedly in recent years and insists this new book will finally be the definitive work on the region. The company is called Chaosium, of course they want to remove Elmal in favor of Yelmalio. They're doing the bidding of chaos.
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Why on earth are they still arising around with a tiny backwater area when Ralios is sat right there
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I regret not realizing until after my group did clan and chargen that I could describe what happened to Arkat as “a classic reverse Shrek 2 situation”
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Here's a question: Lulu is having a 30% off sale and almost all of the Stafford Library books are available on there. Are they worth having if I already have the Guide to Glorantha? The archivists who put them together specifically said The Missing Lands was almost totally superseded by the guide, but made no comment on the other books. I'm willing to buy them if they would help me gain deeper knowledge, but if it's a marginal gain then I might pass.
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EverettLO posted:Here's a question: Lulu is having a 30% off sale and almost all of the Stafford Library books are available on there. Are they worth having if I already have the Guide to Glorantha? The archivists who put them together specifically said The Missing Lands was almost totally superseded by the guide, but made no comment on the other books. The three World books: Missing Lands is fully superseded by the Guide. Arcane Lore is a bunch of Greg's notes about heroquesting and how it works with a number of sample heroquests included (some lightly sketched, some fully fleshed). Very useful if you're interested in heroquesting, but also very fragmentary. Revealed Mythologies contains details notes and descriptions of the myths, mythic histories, and pantheons of the West, Pameltela, and the East Isles. It's the best and most complete source on all three of those cultures (although a fair bit of the basic information was repeated in the guide). The two Heortling books are great if you want a deep dive into everyone's favorite overexposed Vikings-without-ships: The History is what it says on the tin - mostly concentrating on First and Second Age material, with very little to say about the current (late Third Age) era. The Mythology is a wonderful (definitive?) collection of all the myths about Orlanth, Ernalda, Issaries, Humakt, Chalana Arroy, and so on. Almost 200 pages! The Other two books are narrowly focused: the Esrolia book is about, duh, Esrolia and has a lot about their history, their matriarchal society, Nochet, Ezel, and related topics. It's kind of short though - only 60 pages. The Middle Sea Empire book is a history of the God Learner Empire, from its start on Jrustela to its ultimate destruction. It was referenced quite heavily by the writers of the Mongoose Second Age products. Again, very useful if you want to know more about the history of the Second Age. If I was to choose which ones to buy/read first (as far as broad usefullness and general interest) I'd go with Revealed Mythologies and The Book of Heortling Mythology, and follow those up with Glorious Re-Ascent. Save the Entekosiad for the very end.
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The entekosiad is fully up there in terms of "poo poo that I have read but cannot understand". Glorious Re-Ascent is one of my personal favourites because it is so so interesting to see the history of people and to imagine how they survived all the weirdness that the Storm and Chaos ages did to them.
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This is incredibly useful advice. I cant thank you enough for taking the time to post it. Between your advice and FMguru's, I think I might be skipping the Entekosiad. Probably cough up the next few months RPG money on the rest, though. If I can finish reading them, I'm aiming to be able the jump into most Glorantha threads and not be hopelessly lost within a page or two.
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I like Middle Sea Empire, but I’m just a sucker for God Learner stuff generally. Also, the Magic of Glorantha book is out in a month, according to this blog post about how Chaosium is hiring an art director. We’ve heard a lot about how waiting for art to come in has really affected the schedule, hopefully this smoothes that out a little. https://www.chaosium.com/blogchaosium-welcomes-art-director-jaye-kovach-to-the-team/
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Josef bugman posted:The entekosiad is fully up there in terms of "poo poo that I have read but cannot understand". I felt like I understood just enough of the Entekosiad to recognize that I was being trolled. And not the Uz kind, either. Definitely requires you be steeped in Gloranthan lore in advance.
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Oh niiiice! Will have to look into picking this up, is that Ernalda slaying some sort of Chaos creature?
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Red Book of Magic just dropped, got some fun spells in there. For example:we finally have a spell to make people orgasm.
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