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The more Starmer treats Corbyn like the second Hitler, the more he invites the question of why he a) worked for second Hitler for years, and b) told the British public to make second Hitler their leader just a few months ago.
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i can't really see how starmer recovers as leader from this tbh even if he lasts until the next election. pissed off literally everyone lol lol https://twitter.com/Drooan/status/1329026415547789314?s=20
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Nov 18, 2020 13:10
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lmao https://twitter.com/Mc_Heckin_Duff/status/1329034500442042372?s=20
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Nov 18, 2020 13:12
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This still leaves the underlying problem for Keir "authority, integrity, unity" Starmer though: the right of the party has the ability to get itself heard, loudly, in the media; external broadly right-supporting organisations like the BoD can similarly make themselves heard, and both want Corbyn (and people with politics like him) out. The left of the party doesn't have that media accessibility. Also, the media by and large agree with the right and want to amplify that viewpoint. So the quickest way to long-term stability in the party - maybe even the only way, given the external organisations have their own interests and can't really be threatened, bribed, or silenced - is ejection of the "disruptive elements"; that is, the left who are hated and wanted out by all the people with media access. Sure, in the short term it'll look ugly as poo poo, but in the long term it sets up a visibly stable Labour Party, united, professional, centrist, sensible grown-up politics, blah blah blah. The longer he leaves it, the more problems the anti-left elements will cause, and the worse the party looks in the media, who are entirely happy to get their teeth into some juicy drama that can bolster the anti-left position. So I don't think it's likely that Corbyn can have the whip restored by the Leader's Office now (if it was ever theirs to restore), it'll trigger a shitshow which won't go away. Also it will be really funny if Starmer tries to pull the "er, technically I have no say in whether the whip is restored" as a way out. Or if he resigns. That would also be really funny. jabby posted:The more Starmer treats Corbyn like the second Hitler, the more he invites the question of why he a) worked for second Hitler for years, and b) told the British public to make second Hitler their leader just a few months ago.
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Nov 18, 2020 13:13
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For anyone confused about what happened here, Corbyn should (according to the Labour rulebook) have had the whip automatically restored when he was unsuspended. Starmer had to specifically block him from regaining the whip, which is within his powers as Labour leader but means that he can't hide behind Evans or the Labour disciplinary process any more (because only he could do this, and because it's an extraordinary action that he had to do deliberately).
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Nov 18, 2020 13:17
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Seriously, I think Starmer is a Tory plant. That's the only possible explanation for why he's destroyed the Labour Party for no reason and agrees with the Tories on everything
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Nov 18, 2020 13:17
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Darth Walrus posted:For anyone confused about what happened here, Corbyn should (according to the Labour rulebook) have had the whip automatically restored when he was unsuspended. Starmer had to specifically block him from regaining the whip, which is within his powers as Labour leader but means that he can't hide behind Evans or the Labour disciplinary process any more (because only he could do this, and because it's an extraordinary action that he had to do deliberately). It seems like such a stupid thing to do!
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Nov 18, 2020 13:18
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Mr. Fortitude posted:Seriously, I think Starmer is a Tory plant. That's the only possible explanation for why he's destroyed the Labour Party for no reason and agrees with the Tories on everything Not Tory, MI5.
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CGI Stardust posted:This still leaves the underlying problem for Keir "authority, integrity, unity" Starmer though: the right of the party has the ability to get itself heard, loudly, in the media; external broadly right-supporting organisations like the BoD can similarly make themselves heard, and both want Corbyn (and people with politics like him) out. The left of the party doesn't have that media accessibility. Also, the media by and large agree with the right and want to amplify that viewpoint. Kicking out the left is definitely the way to short-term media praise and "stability", but also almost certain electoral oblivion. The left holding their noses is what put Blair in power, it put Biden in power, and if Starmer fully breaks that coalition now there's a reasonable chance he might even lose Unite, a handful of other unions and about thirty MPs to a new party. Perhaps he really does just care about being king of the ashes like some of his faction, but I don't know if he really wants to trigger the Lib Demification of the Labour Party.
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Nov 18, 2020 13:23
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Jose posted:lol labour saying no scottish independence untli 2026 Currently it seems pretty optimistic to think that Labour might be in a position to have a say in that before 2026.
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Nov 18, 2020 13:25
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CGI Stardust posted:I do look forward to this attack line come the next election, or indeed if Starmer ever wants to try appeasing the left
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Nov 18, 2020 13:33
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Biggus Dickus posted:Does anyone here regularly order stuff from China? How's it been going? I ordered a new phone battery from Ali Express back in March - $8 instead of £21 here - (just before the lockdowns) and the tracker said something along the lines of it had been shipped but was waiting a plane or some such. It took nearly 2 months to come IIRC.
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Nov 18, 2020 13:33
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Comrade Fakename posted:Keir's humiliation is complete. With this entire debacle, he's successfully managed to enrage both the left and right wings - the left because this happened at all, and the right because Corbyn was let back in. it's almost like keir is a dumb wanker who is also a fool, and stupid kecske posted:Labour is populated by two disparate groups with irreconcilable ideologies and until one eradicates the other this stupid dance will go on forever yeah say what you will about the conservatives but at least johnson managed to kick every non-brexiter to the curb and thus achieve actual, real party unity too bad that these brexiters are completely insane and also total idiots, with a big spoonful of racism on top
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Nov 18, 2020 13:36
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jabby posted:The more Starmer treats Corbyn like the second Hitler, the more he invites the question of why he a) worked for second Hitler for years, and b) told the British public to make second Hitler their leader just a few months ago. I don't think is a very good argument to make tbh, just because it supports the underlying Corbyn Bad premise and isn't really any kind of own. Starmer could just say 'loyal to the leaders office' or whatever it doesn't have any teeth.
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Nov 18, 2020 13:38
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Obviously I view most of this from the outside but I’m having a hard time seeing where labour goes from here that makes it remotely viable for leftists.
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Nov 18, 2020 13:39
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Nov 18, 2020 13:40
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XMNN posted:it goes in the bin Well that’s my question really, at what point does the left just throw up their hands and really start a new party
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Nov 18, 2020 13:42
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I opened a tube of Pringles earlier and they're all smashed to bits, and the only way I can eat them is by leaning back and pouring the pieces into my mouth and even if the pieces get stuck in my facial hair, my clothes, my keyboard and onto the floor to get pulverised by my desk chair, I'll still be less of a fuckup than Keir Starmer.
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Nov 18, 2020 13:44
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Nov 18, 2020 13:46
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So when keir resigns this week to complete his humiliation which mound of grey tasteless sludge are labour most likely to wheel out as the sensible alternative to conservatism. Fingers crossed for Ian Austin
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Nov 18, 2020 13:46
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mediaphage posted:Obviously I view most of this from the outside but I’m having a hard time seeing where labour goes from here that makes it remotely viable for leftists. I'm definitely no expert on internal workings of the Labour party but a lot of this being a drama at all rather than just a complete crushing of the left seems rooted in the unions who control all of Labour's money having some genuine left-wing backbone.
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Nov 18, 2020 13:49
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here, have some tweetman https://wearelit.co.uk/keir-starmer-says-labour-antisemitism-isnt-just-about-corbyn-hes-wrong/ 
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Nov 18, 2020 13:51
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Mr. Fortitude posted:Seriously, I think Starmer is a Tory plant. That's the only possible explanation for why he's destroyed the Labour Party for no reason and agrees with the Tories on everything If he's a plant someone ought to have a look at it, that degree of limb sweating can't be healthy.
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Nov 18, 2020 13:51
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TheRat posted:here, have some tweetman
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Nov 18, 2020 13:54
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jabby posted:Kicking out the left is definitely the way to short-term media praise and "stability", but also almost certain electoral oblivion. The left holding their noses is what put Blair in power, it put Biden in power, and if Starmer fully breaks that coalition now there's a reasonable chance he might even lose Unite, a handful of other unions and about thirty MPs to a new party. Thinking about a few of the things centrists seem to believe,
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Nov 18, 2020 13:55
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TheRat posted:here, have some tweetman thanks i hate it weren't they supposed to be pretending this entire thing isn't purely factional weaponisation of antisemitism tho?
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Nov 18, 2020 13:57
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XMNN posted:thanks i hate it It's not factional weaponisation if the one and only cause of antisemitism is Jeremy "Hitler didn't go far enough" Corbyn.
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Nov 18, 2020 14:06
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I CANNOT EJACULATE WITHOUT SEEING NATIVE AMERICANS BRUTALISED!
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How the gently caress does Starmer manage to make every wrong decision and still receive praise from the centrists? He's not played some 4D chess master stroke here, hes hosed up again and managed to piss everyone off.
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Nov 18, 2020 14:07
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TheRat posted:here, have some tweetman lol gross i had to stop reading after "it was clear that the rot began at the top. Corbyn’s office was found guilty of intervening in the complaints process, ostensibly to prevent racists being held to account"
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Nov 18, 2020 14:08
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six weeks btw
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Nov 18, 2020 14:10
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Nov 18, 2020 14:16
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How's everyone's food stockpiles looking? Don't forget that people involved in running the support fund have said that money for building a brexit stockpile is a legit reason for applying.
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Nov 18, 2020 14:17
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TheRat posted:here, have some tweetman This sounds a lot like understating the problem of antisemitism in the Labour Party to me
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Nov 18, 2020 14:19
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TheRat posted:here, have some tweetman "In Labour, just as in other organisations, one person alone is not enough to generate systemic injustice on a large scale. But in reality, Keir Starmer’s statement is wrong: Labour antisemitism was really about one man. Jeremy Corbyn enabled antisemitism in the Labour Party. He did this through his incompetence in dealing with complaints, through his endorsement of an ideology that appealed to antisemites, and in his direct interference in the complaints process." I vomited unexpectly and burst blood vessels in both my eyes. I'm at work help.
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Nov 18, 2020 14:27
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"his endorsement of an ideology that appealed to antisemites" shoot me in the loving head
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Nov 18, 2020 14:28
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TheRat posted:here, have some tweetman Wearelit? Nono, Lit is definitely the wrong word here.
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Impressed you went through the effort of stitching this image together instead of just posting the ready-available image multiple times
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