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Breetai posted:Who in the absolute gently caress cares what nitpicking the legislation will allow you to do? Minimise exposure. nah mate go to the park she'll be right
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Senor Tron posted:https://twitter.com/PMalinauskasMP/status/1328868129557004295?s=20 Nobody listened to Tim Smith's bullshit and it was clear Andrews wasn't going to be pressured so that wasn't really the stressful part. Dictator Dan works better than dictator Steve though. Stalin Steve maybe?
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Whoa, no takeaway and no outdoor exercise? Full-on Spain/Italy lockdown? That's loving intense. Good on them, but I'm really (pleasantly) surprised they'd go this hard.
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freebooter posted:Whoa, no takeaway and no outdoor exercise? Full-on Spain/Italy lockdown? That's loving intense. Good on them, but I'm really (pleasantly) surprised they'd go this hard. If it works it will probably be something other states could expect if (when) they get a cluster from now on
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freebooter posted:Whoa, no takeaway and no outdoor exercise? Full-on Spain/Italy lockdown? That's loving intense. Good on them, but I'm really (pleasantly) surprised they'd go this hard. Yeah, if the spread was further along I suspect we would counter-intuitively have a less intense lockdown, it's actually reassured me that they think they have a reasonable chance of catching this spread while it's still traceable.
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Tomberforce posted:Just been reading about the South Australian business community's support for their 'swift and decisive' very sensible big brained lock down. Weirdly no one is calling Marshall a dictator? See the earlier post that you don't need to worry about harming the economy when you don't have one anyway
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EoinCannon posted:If it works it will probably be something other states could expect if (when) they get a cluster from now on Good. Hopefully we've learned the lessons from Victoria pussyfooting around and trying to do a postcode-only lockdown for like one week before accepting the inevitable. If the new normal means having a harsh one-week lockdown now and then, I'll happily take that over a lockdown that goes for months at a time.
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SA libs are a weird bunch of bluebloods. They don't mind shutting down because they can still keep wearing antlers on their estates and sacrificing newborn calves with abandon.
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To my mind it'd seem like general mask use would be a good counter to an airborne virus with a short incubation period and high rates of asymptomatic spread. Numbers are very low in Australia, sure, but why is it acceptable to go full fash on individuals who catch it, and just give a free pass to everyone else? Masks are like close to zero effort so I still don't get why it's apparently such a big deal to put one on
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Sulla Faex posted:To my mind it'd seem like general mask use would be a good counter to an airborne virus with a short incubation period and high rates of asymptomatic spread. Numbers are very low in Australia, sure, but why is it acceptable to go full fash on individuals who catch it, and just give a free pass to everyone else? Masks are like close to zero effort so I still don't get why it's apparently such a big deal to put one on Every virologist and public health person says masks work. Ever since this started I've had trouble coming to terms with people that refuse to wear them.
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Ghost Leviathan posted:https://twitter.com/gabby_marchant/status/1328957637157904385 Have the 'SA lockdown survival guides' from melbourne journos started yet? I'm extremely down for 'em.
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Sulla Faex posted:To my mind it'd seem like general mask use would be a good counter to an airborne virus with a short incubation period and high rates of asymptomatic spread. Numbers are very low in Australia, sure, but why is it acceptable to go full fash on individuals who catch it, and just give a free pass to everyone else? Masks are like close to zero effort so I still don't get why it's apparently such a big deal to put one on "I'm certain neither I nor anyone I care about will catch it (she'll be right after all) thus going full fash on anyone who gets it won't negatively impact me whereas wearing a mask is something that I can't just ignore and hope it goes away."
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Breetai posted:Who in the absolute gently caress cares what nitpicking the legislation will allow you to do? Minimise exposure. As someone who makes minimum wage I care about not getting a fine, so gently caress off.
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Comstar posted:Crown got blocked from opening their new casino. "Crown accepts that an inference can be drawn that at some point in time deposits into the Southbank and Riverbank accounts were more probable than not part of cuckoo smurfing." Full Page ad signed by directors: Crown did nothing wrong, it's all made up lies Up to tuesday night: Crown hasn't done anything wrong, maybe we made a slip up or two but we're still good for the Casino license Tuesday night: At some point someone somewhere may have done something bad involving a bunch of money, but we're coming clean so we should get the license, totes
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Sulla Faex posted:To my mind it'd seem like general mask use would be a good counter to an airborne virus with a short incubation period and high rates of asymptomatic spread. Numbers are very low in Australia, sure, but why is it acceptable to go full fash on individuals who catch it, and just give a free pass to everyone else? Masks are like close to zero effort so I still don't get why it's apparently such a big deal to put one on It’s loving freeman on the land level bullshit. Absolutely trivial inconvenience for massively increased suppression of spread if an outbreak occurs.
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Pleasant Friend posted:As someone who makes minimum wage I care about not getting a fine, so gently caress off. Not my point. If you're already out because you're an essential worker, then you should do the shopping too, because that's one less person in circulation. Don't do it to avoid a fine, do it because it's the right thing to do.
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Pikehead posted:"Crown accepts that an inference can be drawn that at some point in time deposits into the Southbank and Riverbank accounts were more probable than not part of cuckoo smurfing." Gonna be very interesting to see what happens with the rest of their casino licenses.
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It’s 6 days. Let’s see how the support for lockdown goes if - and I hope for SA that it doesn’t - it gets extended. The goodwill will evaporate from the business sector and the media.
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Sulla Faex posted:To my mind it'd seem like general mask use would be a good counter to an airborne virus with a short incubation period and high rates of asymptomatic spread. Numbers are very low in Australia, sure, but why is it acceptable to go full fash on individuals who catch it, and just give a free pass to everyone else? Masks are like close to zero effort so I still don't get why it's apparently such a big deal to put one on Wtf are you talking about? "Full fash" means gassing people to death, not requiring them to stay in their home for two weeks. Masks are as close as it gets to zero effort but there's no need for them in territories that have eliminated the virus. Masks are for when things are spiralling out of control, like they were in Victoria, not when we've gone to the trouble of achieving elimination by implementing massive border closures and lockdowns in order to return to a semblance of normality. "Why isn't everyone required to wear a mask all the time" is a silly question compared to, say, "why are we still putting returned travellers with COVID in CBD hotels staffed by untrained low-wage security guards moonlighting as pizza workers?" https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-11-18/how-does-covid-survive-on-surfaces-adelaide-cluster/12894780
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freebooter posted:Wtf are you talking about? "Full fash" means gassing people to death, not requiring them to stay in their home for two weeks. im saying full fash because australians loving love fascism and would happily throw children into concentration camps if it meant they could.. actually im not sure what the quid pro quo was there. i think australians just love cops and hate solidarity and sure, if there literally exists no covid in a community, its impossible to get covid. but when you have a single outbreak pushing an entire state from 0 to 100 (since covid also tends to go from 0 to 100 quite quickly), from just contact tracing and shoddy quarantines (as far as i can tell) to lockdown, you start to wonder if there really are no measures in between -- like wearing masks inside shops or packed/enclosed spaces. you've already blocked the borders and the economy is already in tatters, why are masks suddenly anathema? in my opinion it just sounds like more bullshit privilege and exceptionalism. "i dont see why that affects me, what benefit do i get out of it, thats a problem other people/places have, let them sort it out, i dont want to be inconvenienced at all" yet we see australians roll over and allow BROADLY overreaching state meddling in personal rights and privacy and control of public spaces. but for a 1 in 100 year global epidemic that has seen an often non-watertight response in terms of managing infected? i dont get the why theres outrage over this, even in places with a lot more covid, the vast majority of people youll see are not infected, masks are a good, low-cost, broadly applicable preventative mechanism that can save lives and dramatically reduce the chance of a catastrophic outbreak.. i really dont get the revulsion towards the idea, it just feels like more water from the antivaxxer well
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hoiyes posted:Adelaidians do love following rules though. Just unpacking the car, on the other side of the city and still before restrictions kick in and all five outta five people who went past walking their dogs were wearing masks already. Actually I don't think you're going to be allowed to walk your dog. If that's true those people are doing the "one last taste of freedom" thing. At least they're doing it with masks I guess!
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Sulla Faex posted:im saying full fash because australians loving love fascism and would happily throw children into concentration camps if it meant they could.. actually im not sure what the quid pro quo was there. i think australians just love cops and hate solidarity Masks are good to adapt as soon as there's an outbreak, which is why SA has done it now. But the outbreak in question occurred from hotel quarantine > security guard > large family. Nobody is ever going to wear masks inside households and that's impossible to police anyway. Nor do I think there's anything particularly Australian about this. Masks aren't mandatory in Taiwan outside of high risk areas like sports stadiums or cinemas, and aren't mandatory in New Zealand. The reason to hold off on mask mandates is because public compliance is tricky unless you're already in hard lockdown - like Victoria was, like SA is now. Of course it makes sense that if you can only leave your house for three or four reasons you should mask up while you do it, because impositions on your personal life are already as bad as they're going to get and wearing a mask is small beer. But it starts feeling a bit illogical when (for example, as is the case in Victoria now) you can sit indoors in a restaurant and yap away with half a dozen people from different households for two hours, but as soon as you leave and walk alone down the street you have to put your mask on. Rules like that chip away at public understanding and compliance, which is why mask mandates should be reserved for situations like what Victoria faced in winter or what SA is facing now, i.e. when they might actually make a difference. (They are still, like, the fifth or sixth line of defence.) Here's a few epidemiologists talking about the situation as it stood in Australia just prior to this SA outbreak (none of them recommend widespread mask use): https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2020/nov/15/face-value-are-masks-still-needed-to-combat-coronavirus-in-nsw-and-victoria
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We might be talking past each other here - I'm not talking about making people wear masks inside or even on the street. In that article, it mentions: " we can transition to a situation where we only wear masks in relatively high-risk situations. That is, those situations where we potentially come into contact with a lot of people indoors, such as grocery shopping and public transport.” Later in the article you have experts saying that masks are not a set-it-and-forget-it panacea, but that they'd still recommend wearing masks in areas of high risk, which is what most places have implemented wherever covid keeps showing up. Here in Berlin, for example, we have a stricter lockdown now, but since like March it's been mandatory to wear masks inside things like supermarkets, shops, and public transport. No requirements to wear it on the street, although after an initial reticence due to it not having any cultural precedent, you do see a lot of people wearing masks on the street now. Access to supermarkets and public transport seems a pretty inalienable right to me, and we (as a society- Australia and Germany included) already implement numerous far reaching mechanisms for ensuring public safety in certain high risk contexts, which might reduce comfort or privilege but are nonetheless accepted. I'm thinking, as off the cuff examples, of things like seatbelts, street signs and crosswalks, maximum occupancies and general fire and safety regulations, and so forth. The question seems to be, is the situation dangerous enough where broader mask requirements are warranted? And to my mind, given how quickly and gravely the situation can escalate, and given that you're seeing cities and states go straight into lockdowns whenever even just a few cases pop up, it kind of seems like masks are a no brainer. At least while the risk is so high, the cost seems absolutely negligible -- but again, this is a risk that seems to affect mostly "other people", so it's much harder for some people to justify any level of personal discomfort. Which I obviously disagree with Additionally, current poor/inconsistent coordination, implementation, and communication, doesn't mean that masks are inherently bad. It just means that your implementation sucks, which is a you thing, not a mask thing
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Pile Of Garbage posted:Oh yeah I forgot to whinge about Michael McCormack's appearance on ABC News in the morning: he was meant to be talking about the outbreak in SA and yet he still managed to go out of his way to commend Gladys by name for her response which he then followed with a less enthusiastic "and SA have responded very well themselves" lol what a prick. Don't think he mentioned the premier of SA by name even once. probably doesn't know the Premier of SA's name - I sure don't.
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