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Be interested to see the results of the suspension/chassis revisions but if they keep selling it in manual in the US and they fix the goddamn torque dip I'll be plenty happy. Be sad to see the Gundam Civic go actually- was amusing to see a wide-market vehicle be rolling around looking like that
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BraveUlysses posted:Jettacivic
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Zero One posted:https://twitter.com/fordperformance/status/1329085748931268612?s=21 Trying to steal back the thunder from jeep and the v8 wrangler. Did they do an official unveiling of that by the way? I still don't know if it's going into production or not.
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Olympic Mathlete posted:Here's your new BRZ. It looks fine, just like the last 86/BRZ did. Just fine, not great, not bad, just pretty whatever. Surprised at the aggressive aero brake ducts and vented fender, course I’d be more surprised if they’re functional. Looks decent except the back like others have commented.
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The rear looks weirdly like a mashup between Supra and Volt (as someone already mentioned) design themes, but I hated the prior tail lights so this is arguably an improvement. It sounds like a nice incremental improvement to the car. edit: I think it's pretty clear that one of the goals was to incorporate some Supra design language throughout. the lower line swooping up to the rear quarter panel is evocative of the Supra's side scoop for sure KYOON GRIFFEY JR fucked around with this message at 17:56 on Nov 18, 2020 |
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The twins look just like a facelift to me, was hoping for something completely different and cool but oh well wasn’t gonna buy one anyway 
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There were a lot of comments on Reddit about how "it's just a facelift, just like the 350/370/400Z", but like, what continuously produced car looks radically different from its predecessor? I guess the C6 --> C7 --> C8 was a pretty big shift in design, but I can't think of many other cars where there was not a production interruption AND the car looks significantly different than the gen beforehand.
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Sab669 posted:There were a lot of comments on Reddit about how "it's just a facelift, just like the 350/370/400Z", but like, what continuously produced car looks radically different from its predecessor? I guess the C6 --> C7 --> C8 was a pretty big shift in design, but I can't think of many other cars where there was not a production interruption AND the car looks significantly different than the gen beforehand. The mustang. 04-05 and 14-15 were pretty big leaps forward. Car design seems to have stalled out, with everybody happy with their shapeless blobs.
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I did a quick / dirty photoshop trying to fix the one thing that was annoying me about the back but now I'm not sure if it made it better or not. I may have inadvertently made it more boring.
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This is how cybertruck happens.
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Zero One posted:This is how cybertruck happens. No, these are the shapeless blobs that lead to that. 
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Virgil Vox posted:Surprised at the aggressive aero brake ducts and vented fender, course I’d be more surprised if they’re functional. Looks decent except the back like others have commented. They are. It's mentioned in this video and you can actually see the ductwork behind the tire when looking at the angle. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mjkmcTQVzD0 I like the design much more seeing it in that video vs the press shots.
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kimcicle posted:I did a quick / dirty photoshop trying to fix the one thing that was annoying me about the back but now I'm not sure if it made it better or not. I may have inadvertently made it more boring. There is something very Buick looking about this.
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I just can’t believe they’re producing an affordable, light, driver focused 2 seater with a manual in the midst of...all this. I’ve never driven a BRZ but definitely gonna check this one out when it’s available.
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From a quick glance through the press release it looks like they didn't ruin anything!  Disappointed but not surprised to see the all-digital gauge cluster though. If it's not laggy I could live with it but a lovely laggy digital dash would be a deal-breaker for me.
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updated interior looks good too kinda impressed they didnt gently caress this thing up
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FBS posted:From a quick glance through the press release it looks like they didn't ruin anything! Yeah, I'm happy they didn't ruin anything. I'm fine with the digital cluster depending on how it's implemented. I love the cluster on my Golf R. Now that we know they retained the weight of the outgoing model, I'm really curious what, if any, creature comforts they might have added. I noticed already on the walk around that there appear to be sensors embedded in the rear bumper, so it looks like there may be some cross path detection or backup distance sensing. Blind spot stuff is something that I could honestly really use on the BRZ due to the pillar placement. Walk around video also reveals that all of the front fender vents are functional which is cool. I'm curious if they've gone to the newer 5x114.3 hubs or if they are still on the 5x100 hubs, mainly because I wonder if I will be able to reuse my 2nd set of wheels.
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Looks more interesting in that video than in those photographs. Ok evolution of the old model. Curious to see how the 86 will be slightly different.
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phosdex posted:There is something very Buick looking about this. Yes that’s it, it’s a Regal
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dk2m posted:I just can’t believe they’re producing an affordable, light, driver focused 2 seater with a manual in the midst of...all this. I’ve never driven a BRZ but definitely gonna check this one out when it’s available. I assume that if the car if this far along then it's been pretty much locked in since the pandemic started. The twins have been relatively successful sports cars as well compared to a lot of cars introduced in the past decade. I'm curious as to where Mazda is in regards to the next Miata though since their design cycle is off by a few years. People expected to see one in 22 or 23 but maybe the current situation will have the effect of stretching out the ND's lifespan.
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Maybe it’s me but the front looks like a Ferrari FF and M2 baby
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Oshata Hyotesti posted:Maybe it’s me but the front looks like a Ferrari FF. I get Panamera vibes 
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dk2m posted:I just can’t believe they’re producing an affordable, light, driver focused 2 seater with a manual in the midst of...all this. I’ve never driven a BRZ but definitely gonna check this one out when it’s available. Technically they aren't, since it's a 2+2.  I like the refresh but my heart and financial plan belong to the ND Miata, so I'm also in the "wasn't going to buy one anyway" group.
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None of the details match but to me the overall proportions just scream 'Lexus RC'
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Jesus Christ, the BRZ and a turbo is like Twitter and an edit button. They keep doing everything except the one thing that people really, really want. And, yes, the thing people really want has some disadvantages, but recently I've been told that the customer preference is always right and to "shut the gently caress up about it", so...
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FBS posted:None of the details match but to me the overall proportions just scream 'Lexus RC' Is that a bad thing?
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PT6A posted:Jesus Christ, the BRZ and a turbo is like Twitter and an edit button. They keep doing everything except the one thing that people really, really want. And, yes, the thing people really want has some disadvantages, but recently I've been told that the customer preference is always right and to "shut the gently caress up about it", so... You're making the assumption that noisy online nerds (aka all of us) are the same thing as customers.
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If they actually made a turbo BRZ it wouldn't be that much faster and would cost substantially more and the people who complain wouldn't buy it anyway. New one looks cool, interested to see the 86 version
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PT6A posted:Jesus Christ, the BRZ and a turbo is like Twitter and an edit button. They keep doing everything except the one thing that people really, really want. And, yes, the thing people really want has some disadvantages, but recently I've been told that the customer preference is always right and to "shut the gently caress up about it", so... I think there are a few reasons a turbo is not on the table: - it would push the car up into a price and performance bracket with Mustangs, Camaro’s, Z’s, and cheaper BMW’s where it couldn’t compete as well - it would start to step on the toes of the WRX and 4 cylinder Supra - on a lower volume car that both parties were only half interested in, the expense to federalize a new engine isn’t worth it I’m sure there are other more technical obstacles as well. Any of these are not a deal breaker on their own, but all together, it tips the scales out of the turbo’s favor.
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Rhyno posted:Is that a bad thing? Kind of. The original RC 350 was a pretty ugly car e: KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:this is a better analogy than you think because an edit button on twitter is a loving terrible idea 
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PT6A posted:Jesus Christ, the BRZ and a turbo is like Twitter and an edit button. They keep doing everything except the one thing that people really, really want. And, yes, the thing people really want has some disadvantages, but recently I've been told that the customer preference is always right and to "shut the gently caress up about it", so... this is a better analogy than you think because an edit button on twitter is a loving terrible idea
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yeah twitter edit is just gonna be "cute cat photo" -> "sieg heil"
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Wheeee posted:wonder if it retains the torque dip as an essential part of the car's character From the link As Nero Danced posted on the previous page: That sounds pretty intriguing to me. That's plenty of power for a car that size and weight if the engine is tuned worth a gently caress.
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I don't understand this, "It would make the BRZ more expensive" argument. The WRX literally costs less than the BRZ, why would stuffing that motor into the BRZ suddenly make it more expensive to build?
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PT6A posted:Jesus Christ, the BRZ and a turbo is like Twitter and an edit button. They keep doing everything except the one thing that people really, really want. And, yes, the thing people really want has some disadvantages, but recently I've been told that the customer preference is always right and to "shut the gently caress up about it", so... Buy one and put a turbo kit on it. Thats has long been the point about the Toybaru, if you dont like something on it? Well..... modify it so it does! The number of people that want a turbo are few and terminally online. And guess what? They would find an excuse not to buy the car anyway. Interestingly, the BRZ has more power than the GC8 WRX and weighs close to the same. The GC8 WRX is *not* slow. The BRZ has the same power as the GD 2 litre WRX but less weight. The GD WRX is not slow. So if anyone claims the BRZ is slow, they should learn how to drive.
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