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another factor is that they've also been stretched thin with how many products they're being told to churn out these days
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The Klowner posted:another factor is that they've also been stretched thin with how many products they're being told to churn out these days i think they're still doing a decent job of making interesting cards, but i imagine it just limits how long they can spend on a given product. to me the biggest problem is that when they do catch a card or synergy that's too powerful and bring it down they then have to go through and reevaluate all the other cards they're putting out to see if something else gets to be way too much of a problem in its vacuum. at some point they have to go 'okay this is as much as we can do before we have to send these to the printers and we've done as much as we can playing whack-a-mole to what (we think) is a good spot' a lot of their work is completely opaque to the playerbase since their fixes and changes are, yknow, happening before the cards get printed, but you can see it in a smaller form by looking at how the metas changed around any of the bans from the last few years & exactly how much of a difference a card being suddenly less effective can make. (also now imagine having to predict those large changes while being physically unable to play anywhere near the number of games that get played on day one of a set release. fixes certainly become 'obvious' now that you've got like several thousand people's brews bouncing off each other all at once + they're only dealing with one static version of each card)
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Nov 18, 2020 18:59
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and ON TOP OF THAT they're working through the years between the sets designed after they decided that it'd be a good idea to make cards more powerful in general to make the game less boring and whacking the outliers and the sets they're designing now after realizing that doing that is exhausting the playerbase i cannot imagine how frustrating it is to deal with complaints that you know internally have been dealt with and lessons have been learned, except you can't say anything concretely because those results are in a set coming out in a year and a half + the next set is one you built while still hearing from the playerbase how weak of a color green was these days
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Nov 18, 2020 19:04
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Huxley posted:When you Bloodbraid into Bonecrusher, can you cast the stomp side? I cant think of a reason why you couldn't.
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Nov 18, 2020 19:05
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Bugsy posted:I cant think of a reason why you couldn't. It looks like yes, but it goes off the creatures cmc for cascadeability since it doesn't have the characteristics of the spell until it's on the stack.
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Nov 18, 2020 19:11
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Jotun Grunt is kind of a maybe. Like they wouldn't just throw that in a core set, there would probably be some kind of self mill mechanic or something that would make that upkeep payable for a couple turns at least. Or, it could be good in the sideboard against mill in our current standard. Like, they turn 1 Ruin Crab, you play that turn 2. Its a 4/4 that shuts off mill and probably won't be counter-able, and unless they deal with it immediately, it shuts off their lords and drown in the loch, as well as that draw 4 card
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Nov 18, 2020 19:37
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Has anyone ever done an SA Trad Games Magic Tournament? I imagine with direct matches on Arena it'd be possible, assuming everyone agreed on a format, people managed to schedule their matches and actually play them, etc.
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Nov 18, 2020 19:46
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The Klowner posted:What I'm really interested in seeing is the rejected ideas for titans of the other color pairs. Maro literally said they could only think of two good ones so those are the ones they printed lol I just gotta know if the UR Titan was Faithless Looting and Snapcaster Mage on a 6/6 body for equivalent Kroxa CMC
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Nov 18, 2020 19:46
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Leperflesh posted:Has anyone ever done an SA Trad Games Magic Tournament? I imagine with direct matches on Arena it'd be possible, assuming everyone agreed on a format, people managed to schedule their matches and actually play them, etc. There were some MTGO thunderdomes for pauper and I think legacy? Back in the day, I played in a few of the pauper ones and they were good fun.
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Nov 18, 2020 19:47
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Leperflesh posted:Has anyone ever done an SA Trad Games Magic Tournament? I imagine with direct matches on Arena it'd be possible, assuming everyone agreed on a format, people managed to schedule their matches and actually play them, etc. There's were MTGoon leagues many many years ago, I think the last one I participated in was Time Spiral sealed league using simulated pools and a bizarre trade in process.
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Nov 18, 2020 19:49
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Leperflesh posted:Has anyone ever done an SA Trad Games Magic Tournament? I imagine with direct matches on Arena it'd be possible, assuming everyone agreed on a format, people managed to schedule their matches and actually play them, etc. Multiple! There even was a Modern one to speculate on some banned cards (most of which are now unbanned!)
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Nov 18, 2020 19:54
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I'm still waiting for my opponent to connect on Apprentice
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Nov 18, 2020 19:57
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Hmmmm. I'm doing TG secret santa through December but maybe an SA tournament would be a fun project for January.
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Nov 18, 2020 19:57
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We should absolutely arrange a goon tournament on arena for prizes
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Nov 18, 2020 19:59
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sit on my Facebook posted:We should absolutely arrange a goon tournament on arena for prizes IK powers in the mtg thread?
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Nov 18, 2020 20:07
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flatluigi posted:it's worth remembering that they go through dozens of iterations of these cards over months and months and there's a relatively tiny handful of cards that get created and go all the way to the printer without getting at least one tweak. oko itself went through quite a few changes (from more official dev talk elsewhere) and joking about how they were all too drunk to see the Obvious Issues is a pretty lovely way to talk about the game When you're right, you're right. i started writing the post to express my views about fantasy card patching, but trailed off into a stupid joke. in reality it's probably a bunch of factors like management and workload in play. plus i pay 30 bucks a month and eventually get all the cards on arena so it's not a big deal. plus, i actually love playing Uro gtfo with your stupid aggro decks
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Nov 18, 2020 20:11
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the designers have a tough job but that doesn't mean I'm going to forgive them for *gestures towards omnath, uro, lucky clover, and the entirety of the rogue deck*
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Nov 18, 2020 20:25
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Julius Seizure posted:plus, i actually love playing Uro gtfo with your stupid aggro decks Actually my aggro deck loves it when you tap out on turn 3 to do nothing.
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Nov 18, 2020 20:37
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Huxley posted:When you Bloodbraid into Bonecrusher, can you cast the stomp side? You can. When you cascade you're looking for a spell with a CMC less than the CMC of the spell you cast (so in this case, less than four). Bone crusher giant meets those requirements so you get permission to cast the card. (rule 715.4) Then as you cast a spell with adventure you get to choose which side to cast (rule 715.3) So: You cast BBE, you flip the Giant, and as you cast the giant you choose to cast the adventure. Fun fact: Because BBE is only looking at the non-adventure side you could cast an adventure with a CMC greater than 4, because it doesn't have the higher CMC until you go to cast it. (Flaxen intruder, for example)
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Nov 18, 2020 20:42
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HootTheOwl posted:Actually my aggro deck loves it when you tap out on turn 3 to do nothing. aggro decks are for the proletariat only the bourgeoisie can afford to sit on their hands for three turns we do work with 1/1s
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Nov 18, 2020 20:44
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HootTheOwl posted:Actually my aggro deck loves it when you tap out on turn 3 to do nothing. that's great cause i love doing that too
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Nov 18, 2020 20:48
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Leperflesh posted:Has anyone ever done an SA Trad Games Magic Tournament? I imagine with direct matches on Arena it'd be possible, assuming everyone agreed on a format, people managed to schedule their matches and actually play them, etc. I'd be down to organize. Sounds like fun. Some Goon posted:IK powers in the mtg thread? "Second prize is MTG thread IK. First prize is you're banned. Third prize is this lovely set of utility knives" boo_radley fucked around with this message at 20:57 on Nov 18, 2020 |
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Nov 18, 2020 20:54
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Here's a historic best of 3 tournament, starts on 12/1, one round per week unless it's finished faster, honor system https://battlefy.com/sa-goons-tournaments/historic-bo3/5fb57b96698db1048d26fe82/info
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Nov 18, 2020 20:54
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Leperflesh posted:Has anyone ever done an SA Trad Games Magic Tournament? I imagine with direct matches on Arena it'd be possible, assuming everyone agreed on a format, people managed to schedule their matches and actually play them, etc. I'd be down to organize. Sounds like fun.
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Nov 18, 2020 21:11
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Leperflesh posted:Hmmmm. I'm doing TG secret santa through December but maybe an SA tournament would be a fun project for January. I did a survey for peoples interest based on this a while back to see what people thought about a potential goon tournament after Theros release, but I never followed through with it. Here are some of the interesting results from that survey:     
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Nov 18, 2020 22:05
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Boo goon arena tournament. Yay goon mtgo tournament.
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Supposed to play a cockatrice legacy tournament on friday. I'm considering adding some lands into manaless dredge and playing the deck below as a test before getting the bits I need to play it in paper. Does anyone have sideboard/deck advice? I don't have any duals, force of wills or LEDs. Was thinking the split of breakthrough/careful study/cabal therapy might be somethign to change. Flame kin is there as a dread return target so I'm not waiting a turn to attack if I manage to flip things. Would more dread return be useful? or street wraiths in the main as a way to draw without getting countered? 4 Golgari Grave-Troll 4 Golgari Thug 3 Ichorid 3 Narcomoeba 4 Putrid Imp 4 Stinkweed Imp 4 Tireless Tribe 2 Hogaak, Arisen Necropolis 1 Flame-Kin Zealot 4 Bridge from Below 4 Cephalid Coliseum 4 City of Brass 4 Gemstone Mine 3 Mana Confluence 3 Breakthrough 3 Cabal Therapy 4 Careful Study 2 Dread Return 3 Leyline of the Void 3 Firestorm 3 Chain of Vapor 2 Serenity 3 faerie macabre 1 ashen rider ilmucche fucked around with this message at 22:38 on Nov 18, 2020 |
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Nov 18, 2020 22:28
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Goon fake format tournaments are the best. I fondly remember the "everything from supplemental releases" tournament where I absolutely should have played Goblin Welder but instead played what can only be described as Lotleth Troll Midrange Reanimator. The "build your own standard" tournaments were great too.
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Nov 18, 2020 22:46
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Defeatist Elitist posted:Goon fake format tournaments are the best. I fondly remember the "everything from supplemental releases" tournament where I absolutely should have played Goblin Welder but instead played what can only be described as Lotleth Troll Midrange Reanimator. Homelands/Dark/Fallen Empires constructed was a wild ride. People were playing random protection from black idiots main deck since no other colour was playable.
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Nov 18, 2020 23:05
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i ran goblins in the pauper challenge back in 2016 or so and won a semifinal match against reality acid by drawing a lethal threat for 9 turns in a row while he finally ran out of removal on the 9th
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Nov 18, 2020 23:13
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The Klowner posted:the designers have a tough job but that doesn't mean I'm going to forgive them for *gestures towards omnath, uro, lucky clover, and the entirety of the rogue deck* The Rogue deck is easily forgivable because it was probably completely unplayable in the standard they were testing because we had to ban so many cards to get to where we are now 
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Nov 18, 2020 23:30
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Ha, wait what happened with MTGO? https://twitter.com/NumotTheNummy/status/1329192144888762368
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Nov 18, 2020 23:50
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Lone Goat posted:Homelands/Dark/Fallen Empires constructed was a wild ride. People were playing random protection from black idiots main deck since no other colour was playable. A discord I'm in did a custom format thats Homelands/Dark/FE, the three Portal sets, Kamigawa Block, and Ice Age block including Cold Snap. It is way more fun than I ever expected it to be.
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Nov 18, 2020 23:51
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odiv posted:Ha, wait what happened with MTGO? It loads so fast now tho
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Nov 18, 2020 23:56
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Lone Goat posted:Homelands/Dark/Fallen Empires constructed was a wild ride. People were playing random protection from black idiots main deck since no other colour was playable. this sounds cool tbh
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Nov 19, 2020 01:08
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Wezlar posted:The Rogue deck is easily forgivable because it was probably completely unplayable in the standard they were testing because we had to ban so many cards to get to where we are now Just loving imagine hitting your opponent with incidental mill in a format where the best card is Uro.
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Voyager I posted:Just loving imagine hitting your opponent with incidental mill in a format where the best card is Uro. 
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https://twitter.com/DesertBus/status/1329303018265735172 this is kind of ridiculous edit: giveaway's over now, they made something like $50k for charity during that flatluigi fucked around with this message at 08:04 on Nov 19, 2020 |
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Nov 19, 2020 06:59
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deep.
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