Lostconfused posted:

Property ownership and debt existed before capitalism. Wouldn't private property as defined by extraction of labour value be a creation of socialism?

Mr Hootington posted:

After I typed that last post out they announced 3 day layoff for all but 16 people next week. 2 more people are on indefinite layoff and 2 of the plant managers are being laid off for 2 weeks. Managers have never been laid off ever according to the old timers lmao. People are melting down and crack pinging hard at the factory lmao

BrutalistMcDonalds posted:

you have to appreciate that the end result of this age of reactionary right-wing nationalist populism is superempowering a globalist liberal billionaire lex luther dude

gonna get a job piloting an amazon zippy drone around

Dreylad posted:

my dream now is to be murdered by bezos himself piloting a mech suit. at least that'd be cool.

i am harry posted:

which came first, capital or ownership

i am harry posted:

but capital is just ownership of commodities so if you own things you have capital

Admiral Ray posted:

an inefficient meat creature with a brain. instead, we will put the brain from the meat creature into the drone itself, eliminating the need for massive agricultural projects

i am harry posted:

but capital is just ownership of commodities so if you own things you have capital

splifyphus posted:

This is correct. Also, art is dead.

I mean not just because of Covid, but because there are no new horizons. Haven't been for decades. It's all just endless regurgitation and recombination of what's already happened.

The internet has generated a monolithic phantasm, a spectral matrix of all art to date that exists alongside live performances and contemporary practices. Ya, it's not and will never be the same, but that doesn't matter. Digitized, spectral art is effectively post-scarcity. Against this kind of phantom totality, the entire history of art existing ghostlike, synchronous, simultaneous with us - nothing new can emerge.

When Beethoven's symphonies were first performed, those occasions were singularities, Events in the Badiouan sense, the emergence of the radically new. That can never happen again. Same for the emergence of modernism - Malevich's Black Square can happen only once. There's a before, there's an after - and after the emergence of such singularities the entire field of all art to date retroactively changes. This is an entropic irreversibility here. With recording and cloud storage, there's also a saturation point, and it already happened. Peak art.

Father Wendigo posted:

This must be a clerical error, our president tweeted "JOBS JOBS JOBS" nary a few months ago.

splifyphus posted:

This is correct. Also, art is dead.

I mean not just because of Covid, but because there are no new horizons. Haven't been for decades. It's all just endless regurgitation and recombination of what's already happened.

The internet has generated a monolithic phantasm, a spectral matrix of all art to date that exists alongside live performances and contemporary practices. Ya, it's not and will never be the same, but that doesn't matter. Digitized, spectral art is effectively post-scarcity. Against this kind of phantom totality, the entire history of art existing ghostlike, synchronous, simultaneous with us - nothing new can emerge.

When Beethoven's symphonies were first performed, those occasions were singularities, Events in the Badiouan sense, the emergence of the radically new. That can never happen again. Same for the emergence of modernism - Malevich's Black Square can happen only once. There's a before, there's an after - and after the emergence of such singularities the entire field of all art to date retroactively changes. This is an entropic irreversibility here. With recording and cloud storage, there's also a saturation point, and it already happened. Peak art.

splifyphus posted:

This is correct. Also, art is dead.

I mean not just because of Covid, but because there are no new horizons. Haven't been for decades. It's all just endless regurgitation and recombination of what's already happened.

The internet has generated a monolithic phantasm, a spectral matrix of all art to date that exists alongside live performances and contemporary practices. Ya, it's not and will never be the same, but that doesn't matter. Digitized, spectral art is effectively post-scarcity. Against this kind of phantom totality, the entire history of art existing ghostlike, synchronous, simultaneous with us - nothing new can emerge.

When Beethoven's symphonies were first performed, those occasions were singularities, Events in the Badiouan sense, the emergence of the radically new. That can never happen again. Same for the emergence of modernism - Malevich's Black Square can happen only once. There's a before, there's an after - and after the emergence of such singularities the entire field of all art to date retroactively changes. This is an entropic irreversibility here. With recording and cloud storage, there's also a saturation point, and it already happened. Peak art.

splifyphus posted:

This is correct. Also, art is dead.

I mean not just because of Covid, but because there are no new horizons. Haven't been for decades. It's all just endless regurgitation and recombination of what's already happened.

The internet has generated a monolithic phantasm, a spectral matrix of all art to date that exists alongside live performances and contemporary practices. Ya, it's not and will never be the same, but that doesn't matter. Digitized, spectral art is effectively post-scarcity. Against this kind of phantom totality, the entire history of art existing ghostlike, synchronous, simultaneous with us - nothing new can emerge.

When Beethoven's symphonies were first performed, those occasions were singularities, Events in the Badiouan sense, the emergence of the radically new. That can never happen again. Same for the emergence of modernism - Malevich's Black Square can happen only once. There's a before, there's an after - and after the emergence of such singularities the entire field of all art to date retroactively changes. This is an entropic irreversibility here. With recording and cloud storage, there's also a saturation point, and it already happened. Peak art.

Weaponized Autism posted:

hey i've got some art for you right here

*shows you picture of my butthole*

NO LISTEN TO ME posted:

What's the innovation here? Two rings?

Azuth0667 posted:

I know that's a joke but, its a really good idea.

Deep Dish Fuckfest posted:

hmm last i check there's this entirely new kind of art that was recently invented called "video games"

Rutibex posted:

also "hentai"

Paolomania posted:

Goons reinventing community college ITT.

Slow News Day posted:

Just because there's nothing new under the sun does not mean we cannot receive value from or be moved by things. However, if you're looking for pure originality in everything, and expect every performance to be an "Event in the Badiouan sense", then you'll enjoy nothing. This doesn't mean that thing is "dead", but it does mean you might be dead on the inside.

Slow News Day posted:

But you rarely hear people proclaim that architecture is dead or software engineering is dead.

FAUXTON posted:

Is there a name for this kind of thing in like receptive-to-qanon-facebook circles where they get all keyed up on the whole "secret knowledge" poo poo

Paolomania posted:

Goons reinventing community college ITT.

Dreylad posted:

revolutionary (everyone seeing goatse for the first time)

Mad Wack posted:

id say meatspin was more revolutionary

Deep Dish Fuckfest posted:

hmm last i check there's this entirely new kind of art that was recently invented called "video games"

Rutibex posted:

splifyphus posted:

It's all just endless regurgitation and recombination of what's already happened.

silentsnack posted:

Dunno exactly since it depends on how you're reading it when you raise the question, but if used in a serious discussion I think the closest match would be the Appeal to Ridicule fallacy.

...but when boomerbrained conspiracy nuts mock the ignorant 'sheeple' with their forgone conclusions hammered into dead overused parody meme formats (at least from the examples I've seen) they do so from a perspective of one who knows they alone are on the right side of history and feels proud to have deciphered the secrets of the universe, rather than the self-deprecating gallows humor fatalism with which a comedian who has terminal asscancer might make a wisecrack to their doctor prefixed with "You must have heard plenty of nervous patients make strained japes over the years, but at least this should be a new one..."


Strip away just a bit more formal structure (since accreditation is for chumps) and you just end up reinventing discussion forums