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Golli
Jan 5, 2013



The "Aerospace" part of the expo got me wondering why CIG has left the atmospheric-only flight capable market segment untapped.

Currently everything is either a spacecraft or a ground vehicle. Are there any aeroplanes slated for this Aerospace expo?

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monkeytek
Jun 8, 2010

It wasn't an ELE that wiped out the backer funds. It was Tristan Timothy Taylor.

WTF? You pay $30 for a $25 gift certificate? What sort of Visa Gift Card rip off is this?

Mirificus
Oct 29, 2004

Kings need not raise their voices to be heard
Eurogamer: Chris Roberts "a bit too ambitious"

Source - GameSpot and IGN posted:

In the wake of the collapse of Digital Anvil, co-founder and soon-to-be-former CEO Chris Roberts has spoken about his decision to leave the company he founded just four years ago. As we suspected, the company's troubles were down to "wanting to develop not only hugely ambitious games, but too many hugely ambitious games", leaving the company's finances stretched after four years without a single game being released - the sole title to emerge with the Digital Anvil name on it was actually mostly developed by a small British company.

Having left the monolithic corporate world that is Electronic Arts almost five years ago to found Digital Anvil in the first place, it is somewhat ironic that his dream development studio is now being taken over by the monolithic corporate world that is Microsoft, and Roberts has confirmed that his decision to leave the company is simply because he has no desire to find himself in the same situation again.

We also have confirmation on the status of Digital Anvil's various games, with Chris Roberts apparently "spending a fair amount of time talking to other publishers" at the moment, trying to find a home for real-time strategy game "Conquest", which was dropped by Microsoft a few weeks ago, triggering the crisis that has lead to the company's demise. "Loose Cannon" will also be looking for a new publisher, with project lead Tony Zurovec leaving the company to complete the game elsewhere. Erin Roberts will be staying on at Digital Anvil though, continuing his work on an as-yet unannounced Xbox title.

But what next for Chris Roberts, the man who brought us the groundbreaking Wing Commander series? "I just want to see Freelancer out the door, and then I want to take some time to reassess everything. Taking three and a half to four years to build a massive title just seems like a huge amount of effort. There needs to be a better way to do it."

Rather worryingly though, according to GameSpot "he has expressed his interest to work in film and exploit broadband technology to us recently". Oh please god, no! Anybody who has had the misfortune to see the truly appalling Wing Commander movie will be praying that Chris has a sudden change of heart. Although he has produced some impressive games in his time, his debut movie was something of an unmitigated disaster, flopping at the box office and featuring some hilariously bad acting and dialogue which would be perfectly at home in a computer game cutscene, but just looks plain ridiculous on the big screen. We can but hope...

phosdex
Dec 16, 2005

monkeytek posted:

WTF? You pay $30 for a $25 gift certificate? What sort of Visa Gift Card rip off is this?

a groundbreaking, never before seen before rip off

Mirificus
Oct 29, 2004

Kings need not raise their voices to be heard

colonelwest posted:



Man I’m so loving hyped for this new roadmap! The pace of development is sure to increase exponentially once it’s released. I can’t wait to track progress on “improved coffee steam effects v5” in near real time.

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You're speaking as if they have no internal JIRA and that they're incapable of tracking their tasks. You're pretending as if 2016 was a deadline that publishers were enforcing. Welcome to the reason that Chris Roberts asked the crowd for pledges for.

What they're working on is a way to display their JIRA tasks to the public that minimizes the kind of spin trolls can put onto it. That's not just a push button task that you can tell photoshop to generate out a UI for and plug it into dreamweaver and hit publish. Tool development is much more involved than that and they're trying to create a public facing tool here.

Also at the same time there is still the whole game to make. It's easy to be an arm chair critic and call them incompetent when you have no idea of the work they're doing.

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Their job is to create a persistent virtual universe. Part of that is developing a culture. Part of developing a culture means mitigating what trolls can and can't do. It's basic community building.

There is some extreme language here that is inaccurate. You suggest that they aren't informing backers what they are doing. This is incorrect. The goal of the new roadmap is to better inform people so that there is less confusion, as caused by trolls using inaccurate language. Currently, trolls are suggesting to people that the only things being developed are what's on the roadmap, despite RSI's repeated communications to the contrary.

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It's only notorious because of trolls and hate click "journalists". I'd say it's managed very well. Considering the scope of the project and their no compromise attitude and the results they've shown thus far, 8 years has been very effectively used.

Keep in mind that the transparency feeds the trolls and hate click journalists. Microsoft has been working on the Halo Infinite engine since 2015. You probably haven't heard a thing about that thought since they're not transparent about their processes.

Subjective negative opinions about their project management are on weak standing since the project has already accomplished a lot. You can't get procedural tech like what's in SC from mismanaged projects.

If I were to give you the benefit of the doubt and believe your opinoin about "notoriously bad management" is genuine and not rooted in passive aggression, then I would consider that you probably think compromises and cutting corners are a good way to get a game onto store shelves. I would call that bad management that leads to unfinished games being released as complete versions. This is what happened with Freelancer after Microsoft bought Chris out. The game got rushed out and fans were notoriously disappointed.

peter gabriel
Nov 8, 2011

Hello Commandos

monkeytek posted:

WTF? You pay $30 for a $25 gift certificate? What sort of Visa Gift Card rip off is this?

welcome to the 'purse

peter gabriel
Nov 8, 2011

Hello Commandos

Mirificus posted:

they're trying to create a public facing tool here

JugbandDude
Jul 19, 2016

Remember when you were young, you shone like the sun

Shine on you crazy diamond!

In Stock

Blue On Blue
Nov 14, 2012


I wonder how many people they've hired just to produce this stupid in-game event

Thoatse
Feb 29, 2016

Lol said the scorpion, lmao

Admiral Tomalak :colbert:

Thoatse
Feb 29, 2016

Lol said the scorpion, lmao

MedicineHut
Feb 25, 2016

Blue On Blue posted:

I wonder how many people they've hired just to produce this stupid in-game event

If previous funding figures on similar events are to be trusted, the investment in personel or whatever is well worth it. Sad, but true.

Thoatse
Feb 29, 2016

Lol said the scorpion, lmao

But wait, there's less! -Dance E. Cat, 2020

Dooguk
Oct 11, 2016

Pillbug
Pretty sure a galaxy is a bit more than one unfinished solar system.

NumptyScrub
Aug 22, 2004

damn it I think the mirrors broken >˙.(

Ok so I thought this must be a joke so I went on the site

The price on the pledge page was showing $25 as expected, but then I clicked through to the item it jumped to $30, and is now showing $30 everywhere else

Store Citizer: $5 premium for viewing the item first

colonelwest
Jun 30, 2018

Thoatse posted:

Admiral Tomalak :colbert:

Zazz Razzamatazz
Apr 19, 2016

by sebmojo

Bumble He posted:

ha this is my chance to show my writing skillz, so if i was in the ci lore team i would come up with something like this:

the newcomer might wonder why X is not present in the galactic empire.
and when asking about it, be met with a bewildered stare.
well of course, back in the days the cities were full of X.
in fact the galactic empire totally mastered the production of Xes.
but the horrible incident at wolf 359, which caused the death of 27.000.000.000.000 civilians left a whole galaxy in collective shock.
and resulted in a galactic-wide ban of X.
ever since then, citizens shudder at even the idea of discussing X in a conversation.
so it is best not mentionned.

X = every idea you can find in any other scifi book/film/game

voila!

And here I was thinking that it was just because the Stimperor outlawed them...

commando in tophat
Sep 5, 2019

Zazz Razzamatazz posted:

And here I was thinking that it was just because the Stimperor outlawed them...

You think Stimperor would outlaw something that caused so many civilian deaths? You need to reread "in the last 500 years"

jarlywarly
Aug 31, 2018

NumptyScrub posted:

Ok so I thought this must be a joke so I went on the site

The price on the pledge page was showing $25 as expected, but then I clicked through to the item it jumped to $30, and is now showing $30 everywhere else

Store Citizer: $5 premium for viewing the item first

I clicked on your second link 1st it said 25 then I refreshed and now it is $30. F5 tax.

Sarsapariller
Aug 14, 2015

Occasional vampire queen


Blue On Blue posted:

I wonder how many people they've hired just to produce this stupid in-game event

Based on past events, absolutely none

Fargin Icehole posted:

I don't think anyone will bet against, the bugs and crashes are just so consistent

Whatever happened to Invictus or whatever? The gently caress was that all about?

Uh they had the "Javelin" show up in-game escorted by two Idrii and they teleported around the map to a couple different stations. They bugged out frequently though and either didn't spawn at all or didn't move. That was it, there was no player-interactive portion of the event and you could not board the big ships. Just some static models flying on a set path through space, representing the $2500 and $1000 ships that are still not flyable after five-plus years.

Citizens were thrilled.

Sarsapariller
Aug 14, 2015

Occasional vampire queen


Also some players tried to fight the big ships and I think they were just set to invincible plus most of their weapons didn't work.

Stellar work overall

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F5SXTtrlhS8

Taintrunner
Apr 10, 2017

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
Is it even a battle if they’re not shooting back

What a disaster

Colostomy Bag
Jan 11, 2016

:lesnick: C-Bangin' it :lesnick:

Blue On Blue posted:

I wonder how many people they've hired just to produce this stupid in-game event

That's what cracks me up. I wonder if they will re-purpose the expo halls. Perhaps CIG can rent them out for space wedding receptions. Who wouldn't want to watch dick wulf perform his nuptials in the verse?

Jack-Off Lantern
Mar 2, 2012

jarlywarly posted:

I clicked on your second link 1st it said 25 then I refreshed and now it is $30. F5 tax.



Okay? What scam is this then? Is this local regional pricing despite showing dollars? VATS added in? If so, that needs to be declared or its highly illegal

Sarsapariller
Aug 14, 2015

Occasional vampire queen


Taintrunner posted:

Is it even a battle if they’re not shooting back

What a disaster

5m into that video posted:

"You may have noticed a lot of footage of us actually attacking the Javelin as well. And initially we were gonna go for a world first on the Javelin and we would have gotten it as well, but unfortunately the drat thing only had limited hitboxes, and once we'd targeted those down we couldn't drop it any further than 71% HP. BUT it was still epic and uh, a really awesome experience to see the Javelin in game, and to be able to y'know, attack it... at a solid framerate as well."

This is the standard for the game that remaining Citizens have reached. "Well none of it was functional and it didn't fight back, but we got to see it and the game didn't absolutely poo poo the bed with it onscreen. Epic! Amazing event!"

Sarsapariller
Aug 14, 2015

Occasional vampire queen


Jack-Off Lantern posted:



Okay? What scam is this then? Is this local regional pricing despite showing dollars? VATS added in? If so, that needs to be declared or its highly illegal

They claimed at one point that it was an EU tax thing

A citizen explains posted:

You are trying to pay in dollars instead of your own region's currency. Tax cheaters used to do that by changing the region they were from on the store without even having an actual US address to avoid paying taxes.

The EU, AUS and other governments caught on to that bullshit and passed laws making companies charge you taxes up front, regardless of the currency you may try to pay with. CIG is complying with those laws.

They also geotag your browser IP so people can't cheat even if you put in a US address (real or fake).

trucutru
Jul 9, 2003

by Fluffdaddy

Fargin Icehole posted:

I don't think anyone will bet against, the bugs and crashes are just so consistent

Whatever happened to Invictus or whatever? The gently caress was that all about?

Invictus Launch Week is a ceremony organized by the United Empire of Earth Navy (UEEN) which marks the beginning of the new recruitment year. It is an official holiday in the UEE.

It is also commonly known as Fleet Week or Invictus. It is celebrated annually in the period between Emancipation Day and Armistice Day, the final week in May. The event is meant as a tool to promote participation in the Navy as well as show awareness for the history of naval events. The event is also used by ship and armament manufacturers as an opportunity to display their contribution to the military fleet.

Invictus is a ceremony used to congratulate the latest graduating class of military personnel, but also as introduction ceremony for new recruits which are gathering to set off for training at the MacArthur base.

During this time, UEEN vessels dock around the Empire. The public can visit the docked ships.

The Fleet Week has a long tradition. It goes back several centuries to the days when the UEE was known as the United Planets of Earth (UPE). Shortly after the First Tevarin War began in 2541, Humanity suddenly found itself in need of an organized military force of a size previously unneeded. To this point, aside from the hostage situation with the Xi'an in 2530, there had only been local security forces under the control of the central Human government.

With Humanity facing an imminent and overwhelming threat, a fleet needed to be raised and trained quickly. The Tribunal sent out an immediate call for recruits to create this army.

Transport ships on each of the settled planets would load up these volunteers and travel to a training facility on Mars known as Invictus.

On the morning of 2542-10-12, families and communities gathered at launch pads around the UPE territories to celebrate those that were going to defend against the alien invaders. As the conflict continued, more recruits would gather on that day to travel to Invictus to begin their training.

Over the centuries, as the Empire has expanded, space travel has become even more accessible and most recruits are able to self-report, the need for Invictus Launch Week's has diminished. The spirit of it, however, is stronger than ever.

Invictus is a time to celebrate each other. To celebrate bravery, duty, and commitment to the goals that define Humanity at its finest.

quote:

"The Wreckless" A poem by former 999th Squadron pilot Lt. Ralph Kinoi

We push boundaries. To test the limits of what we can do. To say the impossible can not define us. To move us all beyond where we thought we could go. To be the first. The fastest. The best.

It is not easy. Luck is as important as skill. Failure as important as success. But we get better. And we learn. And we get back up and try again. And we carry on when others can't.

We carry on so others can.

Strangler 42
Jan 8, 2007

SHAVE IT ALL OFF
ALL OF IT

Jack-Off Lantern posted:



Okay? What scam is this then? Is this local regional pricing despite showing dollars? VATS added in? If so, that needs to be declared or its highly illegal

So does this confirm (yet again) that they are not donations, but actual purchases, which come with some guarantees of delivery?

Sarsapariller
Aug 14, 2015

Occasional vampire queen


It's like Veteran's day, if the Navy sold frigates!

The Titanic
Sep 15, 2016

Unsinkable
What's gonna be playing at the holosuite?

I can't wait to see how it all goes down. :allears:

Tippis
Mar 21, 2008

It's yet another day in the wasteland.

monkeytek posted:

WTF? You pay $30 for a $25 gift certificate? What sort of Visa Gift Card rip off is this?

Jack-Off Lantern posted:



Okay? What scam is this then? Is this local regional pricing despite showing dollars? VATS added in? If so, that needs to be declared or its highly illegal

It's their inability to properly describe how VAT is applied to purchases made via gift cards. They were getting quite heavily slammed with seemingly very legitimate accusations of VAT fraud (which would make any company break out in a cold sweat) until they managed to disentangle themselves from their incompetent communication. They made it sound like you had to buy a gift card for $25 + VAT, and then you could spend that $25 on various ships that already had VAT applied to them (so you'd be illegally double-taxed) and their explanation for this was that it was too tricky to separate VAT and non-VAT prices (which is not just wrong but also stupid). As luck would have it (for them), their explanation was wrong and was worded by a dribbling idiot.

What you're buying is a $25 gift card. With this, you can buy $25 worth of goods. The problem is, the goods will be listed with VAT included, and therefore at a higher price; the gift card is not… at least not initially. So it will look like you need to spend 2× $25 on gift cards to afford a $30 ship, but in reality you don't because the former aren't shown at the right price.

In a non-VAT territory, you'll be buying a $25 gift card (w/o VAT), and you'll see that the ship you're looking at costs $25 (w/o VAT).
In a VAT territory, you'll be buying a $30 gift card (incl. VAT), and you'll see that the ship you're looking at costs $30 (incl. VAT).
But only after the site very slowly determines what kind of territory you're in, and it will happily show you a mix between the two before that.

The Titanic
Sep 15, 2016

Unsinkable

NumptyScrub posted:

Ok so I thought this must be a joke so I went on the site

The price on the pledge page was showing $25 as expected, but then I clicked through to the item it jumped to $30, and is now showing $30 everywhere else

Store Citizer: $5 premium for viewing the item first

Stays $25 for me

Sunswipe
Feb 5, 2016

by Fluffdaddy

trucutru posted:

"The Wreckless" A poem by former 999th Squadron pilot Lt. Ralph Kinoi

We push boundaries. To test the limits of what we can do. To say the impossible can not define us. To move us all beyond where we thought we could go. To be the first. The fastest. The best.

It is not easy. Luck is as important as skill. Failure as important as success. But we get better. And we learn. And we get back up and try again. And we carry on when others can't.

We carry on so others can.

I have a sneaking suspicion that Chris wrote this.

trucutru
Jul 9, 2003

by Fluffdaddy

Strangler 42 posted:

So does this confirm (yet again) that they are not donations, but actual purchases, which come with some guarantees of delivery?

No you dumbass because the URL (https://robertsspaceindustries.com/store/pledge/cart) clearly says "pledge".




Invictus is all about the First Tevarin war. So what happened in the SECOND Tevarin war?

quote:

The Second Human-Tevarin War was an interstellar conflict between the United Empire of Earth and remnants of the Tevarin Sovereignty that had been dissolved in the wake of the first conflict. The war commenced in 2603, 57 years after the conclusion of the First Human-Tevarin War. A new Tevarin Warlord, Corath'Thal, emerged from the corners of the cosmos with a rebuilt Tevarin battle-fleet, and launched his first attack against the UEE systems. The fleet's sole mission was to reclaim Elysium IV, their former homeworld of Kaleeth. While it was a sympathetic cause that some Humans could support, the Empire refused to cede back territory to the Tevarins and reform their state. The war lasted seven years, three more than the first, and touched almost every corner of the Empire.[1]

At the end of the First Human-Tevarin War, their state was dissolved and the territory annexed by the United Empire of Earth. Most Tevarins were assimilated into the UEE as a sign of tolerance from the human government. However, a Tevarin fleet managed to escape the dissolution of their nation and take shelter away from UEE systems.

More than half a century later, the fleet reemerged to reclaim their former homeworld and reestablish their state.

On June 24, 2610 SET, Corath'Thal suffered a catastrophic defeat at the hands of UEEN 42nd Squadron at the Battle of Centauri.[1]

With his fleet rapidly falling to either destruction or surrender, Corath'Thal mustered his remaining loyal pilots to make a desperate charge for Elysium IV. Though they suffered an additional 70% casualties, his fleet finally reached the atmosphere of their old homeworld. Corath'Thal and his pilots lowered their thermal shields and dove for the planet.

The Tevarin fleet burned up in the atmosphere as they hurtled toward the ground.

Aaron Fring, a field medic on Elysium IV at the time, painted this dramatic event in his famous piece Tears of Fire - which "stands as one of the most enduring images from the Second Tevarin War" according to the Bentley National Gallery.

With this second defeat, the spirit of the Tevarin race was irreparably broken. Imperator Messer II used the victory to cement his place as ruler of the newly christened United Empire of Earth.

The Second Human-Tevarin War was an attempt to reclaim the Tevarin's previous glory. When it failed miserably, the last believers of Rijora flung themselves toward Kaleeth, burning up in the atmosphere and crashing into the planet. The rest abandoned the beliefs for good. This climactic period was known among the Tevarin as the Purge, during which time most of the Tevarin destroyed their Codices (the holy writ of Rijora).

BTW, this is how soldiers looked during the Second Tevarin War



Cool as gently caress!


e: "Tears of Fire" " "One of the most enduring images from the Second Tevarin War"



quote:

As with most art, I wasn’t trying to depict the moment exactly as it was. That’s what I’d always done in the past but this was something so much more than the visual. There was so much complexity caught up in that action, from the Tevarin, for what it meant for us as a species, and what it meant to me. I just wanted to try and capture the feeling of that fraction of time. So beautiful and so sad.

trucutru fucked around with this message at 00:28 on Nov 19, 2020

trucutru
Jul 9, 2003

by Fluffdaddy
So you want to know more about Aaron Fring? Glad you asked!

quote:

Aaron Fring was born on Ferron on 13 October 2578 to teacher Max Fring and pilot Mary Fring. He learned to draw and paint as a child, during a period in which he was bedridden with Kilos’ Malady. As an adult, his illness prevented him from following his mother into service with the UEE Navy, so he joined the UEE Expeditionary Force (UEEEF) as a Field Medic. The UEEEF eventually stationed him on Jalan. He fell in love with the landscape there and was inspired to resume painting. The night of Corath’Thal’s descent, Fring was taking an evening walk, having left all his communication devices at his home. As he approached the crest of a hill, he noticed strange lights in the sky, and saw the first of the Tevarin fleet push through the clouds. Fring watched until the last of the ships had either broken apart or crashed. He began work on Tears of Fire the next day.

The debut of Tears of Fire at the Gemma Gallery of Art launched Fring’s career as a full-time painter. He went on to produce more pieces centered around the Tevarin Wars, to continual acclaim. His portrait of Corath’Thal, referenced from holos and oral descriptions, is noted for its use of smoke and lighting. He died on 11 November 2631 from Kilos-related complications, aged 53 years. Tears of Fire was inducted into the UEE Historical Vault for Antiquity in 2633.

Fring cited human Romantic-era Earth (Sol III) art as one of his primary influences, particularly the use of light and color in Ivan Aivazovsky’s 1848 painting Battle of Chesma. A copy of the painting hung in Fring’s studio. Tears of Fire inspired a revival of Romantic-style art in the UEE, notably pieces with glowing, effusive sources of light.

Rabelais D
Dec 11, 2012

ts'u nnu k'u k'o t'khye:
A demon doth defecate at thy door
Does somebody actually get paid to write that absolute drivel?

Tippis
Mar 21, 2008

It's yet another day in the wasteland.

Rabelais D posted:

Does somebody actually get paid to write that absolute drivel?

Worse. They probably do it for free.

The Titanic
Sep 15, 2016

Unsinkable

Rabelais D posted:

Does somebody actually get paid to write that absolute drivel?

This is the only genuine piece of functionality they can deliver that isn't broken. :colbert:

Lore, languages, custom server manuals... anything non-programming related is what CIG excels at.

If you expect a video game or results or something, you're at the wrong company.

Dooguk
Oct 11, 2016

Pillbug

trucutru posted:


e: "Tears of Fire" " "One of the most enduring images from the Second Tevarin War"



Copying Turner now.

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Midnight Voyager
Jul 2, 2008

Lipstick Apathy

lobsterminator posted:

In Ultima Online the inventory was funny because it was physicalized the same way as that Ultima 7 screenshot, but because it was an MMO, when another player picked your pockets they saw the same inventory. So if you had some valuable stuff you could pile a ton of junk on it and the thief would need to move stuff around to get to it. And that gave you more time to notice someone going though your inventory.

Also you could trap in-inventory containers so if someone tried to look in your pouch, it would explode

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