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Why isn't the ABC covering the human cost of robodebt? The BBC had a story about about it, why can't the local press get down to the blood on the government's hands?
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Because the Libs successfully turned the ABC into a News Corp retirement plan.
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CFMEU office in Sydney raided by the AFP yesterday. If you fail at first, try, try again!
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Federal Government used Google Translate for COVID-19 messaging aimed at multicultural communities posted:Critical public health messages by the Commonwealth about the coronavirus pandemic were bungled amid revelations bureaucrats used Google Translate to communicate with multicultural communities. 
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Sulla Faex posted:The question seems to be, is the situation dangerous enough where broader mask requirements are warranted? And to my mind, given how quickly and gravely the situation can escalate, and given that you're seeing cities and states go straight into lockdowns whenever even just a few cases pop up, it kind of seems like masks are a no brainer. At least while the risk is so high, the cost seems absolutely negligible -- but again, this is a risk that seems to affect mostly "other people", so it's much harder for some people to justify any level of personal discomfort. Which I obviously disagree with I'm not quite sure that this is what you're suggesting, so apologies if I'm making an assumption, but: masks wouldn't have prevented this SA outbreak and absolutely wouldn't be an adequate substitute for the current circuit-breaker lockdown. There's a point to them when enough up-the-line defences have failed that the virus is circulating widely in the community (like it was in Victoria), but not as a just-in-case prophylactic for a jurisdiction that's achieved elimination. There's also the ongoing problem - one of the reasons the Victorian CHO was originally reluctant to require them - that widespread mask use makes people think they're now behaving safely and can go about their business as they used to. I see that here in Victoria, and you can especially see that all over the US, from people who otherwise mean well and think they're being COVID-safe. But I think you're right that we are coming at this from different contexts. Germany, despite being a success story as far as Europe goes, has still had the virus present in the community from the beginning, and Germans stand the chance of contracting it every time they get on a bus or go to the supermarket. In most Australian states that's simply not the case and hasn't been for months. I mean, WA has the nightclubs open again. If you feel confident that your border closures and quarantine measures have kept the virus out entirely, the reward for that is that you get to go back to normal life (ideally with all the contract tracing mechanisms in place and ready to go if there's a quarantine breach). Whether or not that's actually a good idea in the long run is debatable, but it's definitely one of the reasons why Australian states (and New Zealand) would be reluctant to adopt a "learn to live with it" strategy after going to the trouble of elimination.
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I think it looks like we've cracked Qanon guys: "Qanon" is propaganda, and we know who's responsible. All the evidence in the article, but the upshot is: "So, to sum up, here is how likely to have happened. People like Roger Stone, Paul Manafort, Rick Gates, Steve Bannon, Micheal Flynn, (and/or Jared Kushner, Dan Scavino, and Brad Parscale), drawing on strategies outlined by Jeff Ginsea and Chuck Johnson, used companies like Psy-Group, Black Cube, WikiStrat, and Cambridge Analytica, to develop a strategy to drive support for Donald Trump. That involved a lot of things, including this project called Q. They used people like Thomas Schoenberger and Lisa Clapier, who used used puzzle-like strategies and cult-like recruitment techniques to create an ARG style Psy-Op, based a military thriller conspiracy core wrapped in a New Age outer face. It played right into people’s psychological framework, and pre-existing sociological conditions. People like Tracy Beanz, Coleman Rogers, Paul Furber, Joe M, and Ron and Jim Watkins, were either knowingly or unknowingly used to take the Operation to a wider audience. From there, influencers built significant audiences by posting content from the Q Universe, and a self enforcing community grows. Companies like Cambridge Analytica and Gloo then used big data to target the content exactly where it’ll make the most difference. And it’s all supported and amplified by outlets like OANN and Breitbart and whoever else has an interest in a Trump administration. “Qanon” is propaganda. And we know who’s responsible." 
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But what does this have to do with auspol
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Bucky Fullminster posted:Qanon has affected Australia Infected.
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I thought no effort was taste’s town play
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You can't edit mafia posts, even if misposted in the the wrong thread.
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gently caress yeah 20,000 tests in the past day with zero cases detected. We're almost certainly gonna get some over the next few days, but this is a very promising start.
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Amoeba102 posted:Infected. Exactly.
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https://www.theage.com.au/national/australian-special-forces-soldiers-committed-up-to-39-murders-adf-report-20201110-p56dek.html "The Age and The Sydney Morning Herald have previously reported that one of the key focuses of the inquiry was war hero and Victoria Cross recipient Ben Roberts-Smith. However, in his report Justice Brereton has issued orders preventing the name of witnesses or those subject to orders being named." Wink wink, nudge nudge.
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Maybe don’t keep describing the guy you are claiming is a war criminal as “war hero Ben roberts-smith” fairfax
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freebooter posted:https://www.theage.com.au/national/australian-special-forces-soldiers-committed-up-to-39-murders-adf-report-20201110-p56dek.html hang the lot of 'em
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It's been really weird how politicians and the media were trying to 'get Australia ready' to hear some really shocking news about our brave diggers. Of course they were committing war crimes you morons, anyone who thinks it was all done by the book over there is unbelievably credulous or willfully ignorant. Or has never met anyone in the armed forces
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I hope they loving charge them and do something with it. They were shooting people dead because they literally couldn't be hosed waiting for a second helicopter and stuff.
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JBP posted:I hope they loving charge them and do something with it. They were shooting people dead because they literally couldn't be hosed waiting for a second helicopter and stuff. They were also murdering people for reasons other than being too lazy: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-11-19/afghanistan-war-crimes-report-igadf-paul-brereton-released/12896234 quote:The inquiry said junior soldiers were often required by their patrol commanders to shoot prisoners to get their first kill. If there's any justice then not only will those responsible end up in jail but the whole SAS will be decommissioned.
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I loving hate the euphemism doublespeak the media is using with "unlawful killings". These guys are murderers. If you're calling it unlawful, you can make the jump to murder.
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Ritualised killing is toxicity in the workplace
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Genuinely impressed that our boys committed a war crime so bad they had to redact it out of a report about a fucktonne of cold blooded civilian murders https://twitter.com/annajhenderson/status/1329288595832594432?s=19
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The owner of Channel 7 has promised to bankroll the defense of all the war crims
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Seemlar posted:The owner of Channel 7 has promised to bankroll the defense of all the war crims Legit dont know if you are taking the piss or not
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NPR Journalizard posted:Legit dont know if you are taking the piss or not https://twitter.com/Gallo_Ways/status/1329287828606386178
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Seemlar posted:The owner of Channel 7 has promised to bankroll the defense of all the war crims can't have are boys' war crimes sullying the image of your currently running Celebrity SAS reality show
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Homora Gaykemi posted:can't have are boys' war crimes sullying the image of your currently running Celebrity SAS reality show Oh my God that's genuinely a part of it isn't it
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So when will our worst warcrime be revealed, if ever?
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Intoluene posted:I loving hate the euphemism doublespeak the media is using with "unlawful killings". These guys are murderers. I think it's an official term in comparison to "lawful killings" under the rules of engagement and international rules of war. So conducting an "unlawful killing" against an Afghan soldier is viewed as less serious than the "murder" that would have been committed under the WA criminal code if they walked out of their barracks in Perth and shot someone on Swanbourne Beach in the head, and obviously the fact that distinction legally exists is completely hosed.
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freebooter posted:I'm not quite sure that this is what you're suggesting, so apologies if I'm making an assumption, but: masks wouldn't have prevented this SA outbreak and absolutely wouldn't be an adequate substitute for the current circuit-breaker lockdown. There's a point to them when enough up-the-line defences have failed that the virus is circulating widely in the community (like it was in Victoria), but not as a just-in-case prophylactic for a jurisdiction that's achieved elimination. Wearing masks and practicing hand washing helped reduce the infection rate of cohabitating people significantly compared to those that cohabitated and were not explicitly told to wear masks practice extra hygiene. Enough of a difference that even though we can never be sure, it is a chance that the Adelaide outbreak might not have allowed the release into the wider population. I suggest this because if everyone had washed their hands and had a mask on to enter each shop like happens where I live, it might not have spread further. I think your theory that wearing a mask makes enough people think they are invincible and therefore mask wearing more harmful complete rubbish. No study or perusal of stats supports that populations wearing masks and encouraging enhanced hygiene has increased the spread of covid versus populations that don't wear masks or encourage enhanced hygiene which is basically what you are saying. I think telling Australia that it is covid free and therefore no need to wear masks seems to have even more people think they are invincible in the face on a potentially endemic disease. We want to normalise mask wearing/hygiene practices because even outside covid, it seems evident that the disease load on the population has been reduced significantly by these practices. Additionally, the vaccines so far are in my understanding protectionary and not sterilising so once we vaccinate and open up completely (likely mid next year), normalised mask wearing/hand hygiene will hopefully protect the smaller portion of the population unable to receive a vaccine or it is not effective for. Completely different subject; Unlawful killings versus murder is squeemish avoiding chat for sure but also, a lot of people think of all actions that happen by Australians in Afghanistan/Iraq is murder and term unlawful killings does differentiate between combat killing to killings outside the legal protections afforded Australian soldiers. Our political leaders are responsible for the murder of populations in both countries (even if our soldiers followed all the rules), soldiers and their leadership chain are responsible for the stuff that is being talked about by ABC/Channel Nine.
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Here's a good snapshot from the report of what unlawful killing means in this contextInceltown posted:Maybe don't read this one if you're not OK with brutal war crimes. Not materially different to the "lawful killing" of Afghani civilians, they just falsified the paperwork post hoc rather than ad The Peccadillo fucked around with this message at 09:35 on Nov 19, 2020 |
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We have "unlawful killings" as part of the whole warcrimes thing on purpose to put an end to the "It's not murder cause I did it in a war so it's not the same" thing by making another definition you can't weasel out of.
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Periphery posted:If there's any justice then not only will those responsible end up in jail but the whole SAS will be decommissioned. It does seem like it's about time.
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It's great to think that a whole bunch of people would have signed off on this based on the (likely accurate) judgement that publicly identifying yourself as a Warcrimes Defending Company is not something the Australian public cares about in a way that would negatively affect your profits. It may be a sign of my brain being poisoned by creating the most pessimistic scenarios possible but I would not be surprised if this whole affair culminated in some violent retaliation by an Afghan against Australians either in Afghanistan or domestically which is then used to smear the whistleblowers and be used by right-wing pundits in an attempt to rehabilitate the reputation of the murderous war criminals.
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Kevin Rudd’s Bangladeshi ‘bots’ in media royal commission petition An official investigation will scrutinise Kevin Rudd’s petition calling for a media royal commission after it emerged that more than 1000 names were fake, and some of the signatories were paid for and generated overseas. The Australian can reveal foreign interference in the petition, which targets publicly listed companies News Corp Australia and Nine Entertainment, and prompted a Greens-led Senate inquiry into media diversity. An investigation by The Australian into the petition, which Mr Rudd instigated as an attack on News Corp, has also revealed the document is littered with fake and absurd names, including “Nacho cheese”, “Jesus Christ” and “this sucks”. Many of those were generated offshore, easily sidestepping parliamentary measures set up to prevent fraud. A world-renowned cyber security expert said signatories included “computer-generated bots”. He said a full digital audit was required to determine the extent of fraudulent activity in the parliamentary e-petition system. Ken O’Dowd, the House of Representatives’ petitions committee chairman, said his committee would investigate the fake signatories in the petition. The Australian can reveal a Bangladeshi man was paid $58 by a whistleblower — who wanted to test the vulnerabilities of parliament’s e-petition system — to generate 1000 fake signatories in less than 12 hours. Those signing petitions are required to be Australian citizen or residents. Documents obtained by The Australian confirm a Melbourne-based blogger paid a cybersecurity specialist — who initially claimed to be in China but was later found to be living in Bangladesh — to organise the fake signatures. The Australian has obtained the online job request, the bank transfer for the job, the 1000 computer-generated email addresses and the corresponding 1000 fake petition names, with a receipt and reference number for each fake signatory. The cybersecurity expert, whose LinkedIn profile shows he works in IT for a Bangladesh business, said he was paid to organise 1000 signatories to the petition. The individual, who spoke to The Australian on the condition of anonymity, detailed in writing how he bypassed the Australian government’s petition system. “Yes, I genarate (sic) 1000 mail and sign the Australian parliamentary petition,” he said. “This is computer-generated. I use Australian VPN for bypass.” The fake names attached to the computer-generated email addresses — including “austin austin”, “devin devin”, “steffan steffan” and “Xavi xavi” — were confirmed to be on the petition after a search of House of Representatives Table Office records. Other names include “mushfik mushfik”, “bruno bruno”, “parisa parisa” and “xekel xekel”, the Table Office and documents reviewed by The Australian show. Aside from those signatures, there are hundreds of other fake signatories to the petition. The petition includes a variety of fake names including “Rupert Murdoch”, “General Justice” and “Bette Midler known for Wind Beneath My Wings”. “Scott Morrison” and “Anthony Albanese” also appear on the petition, but spokesmen for both the Prime Minister and the Opposition Leader deny either had signed it. Mr Rudd — dumped by his party within his first term — has promoted his petition on Twitter, Guardian Australia and the ABC. He was supported by another former prime minister, Malcolm Turnbull, who was also overthrown by his party while in office. Both men, who led coups against their own colleagues to seize power, were also victims of internal political revenge but blame News Corp Australia newspapers for losing office. News Corp Australia is the publisher of The Australian. The petition has been used by Greens senator Sarah Hanson-Young to justify calling an inquiry into media diversity. The push — the fourth-highest number among parliamentary petitions after campaigns to fund community pharmacies, place a higher tax on beer and address healthcare funding — ostensibly attracted 501,876 signatures. Nicholas Smith, who runs a podcast called The Turncoat, said he paid an overseas freelancer to “sign” the petition hundreds of times in order to “demonstrate to you how easy it is to manipulate our own government’s website”. “What I have a problem with is the government petition website and how easy it is to manipulate with huge advantages,” he said. “For one, the free press but two, it’s caused a Senate inquiry into the media. “It’s having an influence on decision-making within our parliament. “There should at least be a mobile verification process if they want us to take this petition seriously — there needs to be more than an email verification process.” Mr Smith posted the job to collect names for the petition on a freelance website with the subject “data extraction”. “I need minimum two persons for an online data collection task,” the advertisement read. Bank transfer records from the website show that $52.89 was transferred to two different freelancers at 11.52pm on October 26, 2020. One freelancer, named Yao L — based in Beijing — did not complete the job. The second freelancer, based in Bangladesh, did. Robert Potter, who is a highly regarded cybersecurity expert and the co-founder of Internet 2.0, did an initial analysis of the petition in the Table Office and analysed the 1000 emails paid for by Mr Smith. His conclusion is that fake and computer-generated bots were among signatories to the petition. “Yes, there are signatories to the petition that I would assess with a high degree of confidence are computer-generated bots,” Mr Potter, who has worked for both the US and Australian governments, said. “The single name email followed by random numbers is a sign of bot activity through automatic registration.” Mr Potter concluded that the spam protection system within the parliamentary petition platform does not require any form of evidence that the person ¬registering is an Australian resident or citizen. “The system does not geoblock foreign IP addresses at the registration page,” Mr Potter said. “The system doesn’t seem to require any demonstrable proof the person is Australian.” He also said the breach had exposed an “avenue for foreign interference in our parliamentary petition system”. “This is small-scale influence operation from a foreign party working under the direction of an Australian,” he said. “I think an evaluation of the technical controls is called for, at the very least, to see what controls sit around the petition system and to see how they might be strengthened. “The system for managing petitions is the vulnerability, not necessarily the single petition. This could have impacted on a number of petitions.” The Department of the House of Representatives standing committee on petitions secretariat -notified committee members on Friday of the fake signatories following questions lodged by The Australian. Mr O’Dowd, a National Party MP who chairs the committee, said: “It will be investigated by my committee and we will take further action if required.”
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Kevin Rudd and Malcolm Turnbull want to call in bot cops Former prime ministers Kevin Rudd and Malcolm Turnbull have signalled they want the Australian Federal Police to investigate how their petition calling for a royal commission into the media was infiltrated by more than 1000 overseas computer-generated bots. Kevin Rudd may have to register as ‘an agent of foreign influence’ Kevin Rudd is likely to be urged by federal officials to register as an agent of foreign influence because of his vast overseas connections and ongoing involvement in international relations.
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