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Bholder posted:Is Berseria worth getting if you never played Tales games before? Absolutely
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Bholder posted:Is Berseria worth getting if you never played Tales games before? It's arguably the best overall tales game so absolutely. Though, I think some individual games surpass it in specific areas. But they're either not available on modern systems or have a straight up flaw that keeps them from surpassing Berseria
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Nov 19, 2020 17:49
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Is Berseria playable with M+KB? I don't have any means to play with a gamepad on my computer at the moment.
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Nov 19, 2020 17:54
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Berseria is def the best Tales game you can easily play atm. Graces F is the main competition (writing isn't as good combat is way better) but it's stranded on the PS3.Electric Phantasm posted:Is Berseria playable with M+KB? I don't have any means to play with a gamepad on my computer at the moment. Probably not a good idea.
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Nov 19, 2020 17:57
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Arzaac posted:Yakuza 7 combat eventually gets pretty hard (especially if you haven't been doing a bunch of side content) but even at its hardest it's basically some Persona 5 combat of "use buffs hit weakness". Except there's no way of checking what the weakness is when you're in battle lol
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Nov 19, 2020 18:02
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How good is Tales of Zestiria?
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Nov 19, 2020 18:32
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good and tales of zestiria do not belong in the same sentence.
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Nov 19, 2020 18:35
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Nosthula posted:How good is Tales of Zestiria? It's incredibly bad. Combat is super unbalanced and has massive camera issues, the plot is incredibly unfinished, and even the parts of it that are finished are pretty poorly written. It has a few decent characters and some decent music but it's not worth playing.
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Nov 19, 2020 18:36
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Nosthula posted:How good is Tales of Zestiria? Watch the anime instead.
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Nov 19, 2020 18:37
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gimme the GOD drat candy posted:good and tales of zestiria do not belong in the same sentence. Tales of Zestiria is not good ohhh got you there.
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Nov 19, 2020 18:37
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also there's multiple scenes about how if you have depression you are a burden on society and need to be murdered
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Nov 19, 2020 18:38
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Nosthula posted:How good is Tales of Zestiria? Dogshit. Astoundingly bad. Clearly underbudget, cut to hell, and a technical mess. But also every decision they made seems to have been wrong.
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Nov 19, 2020 18:39
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Sounds like a hard pass then. Thank you.
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Nov 19, 2020 18:39
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Endorph posted:also there's multiple scenes about how if you have depression you are a burden on society and need to be murdered This is literally the message the game sends out, Endorph is not exaggerating or having a laugh.
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Nov 19, 2020 18:40
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Endorph posted:also there's multiple scenes about how if you have depression you are a burden on society and need to be murdered I'd love to hear the context for this because ha ha o wow
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Nov 19, 2020 18:47
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It's actually worse. The message is that if you have depression and you can't bootstrap yourself out, death is a valid and even correct way to escape pain.
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Nov 19, 2020 18:47
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zestiria isn't even underbudget, it had one of the longest dev cycles of any tales game. they just wasted most of it on things that didn't work and had to be cut.
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Nov 19, 2020 18:50
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Leraika posted:I'd love to hear the context for this because ha ha o wow Depression and any mental problem/distress literally turns people to monsters that attack people iirc So the game suggests that them dying is a net good The game is bad
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Nov 19, 2020 18:51
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Leraika posted:I'd love to hear the context for this because ha ha o wow Basically it takes place in a setting where "negative emotions" that you can't somehow "confront" turn you into monsters and cause natural disasters and poo poo, and you slaughter your way through a bunch of abused women and war-traumatized orphans while your party members tell the main character "there was nothing else you could do" and then at the end he learns that really killing them is a moral imperative because being a mental illness demon is suffering and it's his responsibility to release them from their torment. Also, it is literally a thing that if the main character ever self-reflects or regrets any decision he's made for a second, the world ends.
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Nov 19, 2020 18:51
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the plot of zestiria is enough of a mess that the anime basically retcons literally all of it into something completely different the x is still kinda awkward and messy but. it doesn't think killing people is good.
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Nov 19, 2020 18:52
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Leraika posted:I'd love to hear the context for this because ha ha o wow Negative emotions create monsters and warp reality so if you're depressed (or angry) and can't stop being depressed then the ethical thing to is to kill yourself for the sake of everyone else. Doing otherwise is cowardly and selfish. That's roughly how it goes from memory.
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Nov 19, 2020 18:52
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However despite the whole game being about how suicidal ideation is valid, at the end of the game a character actually literally begs the party to end her and rather than doing anything one way or the other they just walk away and leave her sobbing on the ground.
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Nov 19, 2020 18:54
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my favorite part of zestiria is how one of your party members is an assassin, but she's a morally good assassin because she only kills people that she thinks might be bad. this makes her pure of heart and a good person the anime rewrites this so that her killing people she thinks are bad, is a bad thing
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Nov 19, 2020 18:55
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it's a message that would have really clicked with me before my introduction to cbt edit: cognitive behavioral therapy, not cock and ball torture. the latter's just for fun.
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Nov 19, 2020 18:55
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Basically it's the tattered shreds of a game thrown together into something that is complete nonsense on its face and gets worse the more you think about it. It's not that great as a game, either, the dungeons are bad and the combat is broken.
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Nov 19, 2020 18:57
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zestiria is the hardest you will ever see a series completely reject the entire script of one of its own major entries via its own prequel and adaptation into other media
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Nov 19, 2020 19:00
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I think one problem I have with Yakuza 7's combat is I'm not sure what each job is going for. Like it's really just they either do physical or magic damage. Adachi's detective job for instance I thought could have it's taunt and counter ability for like tanking but status effects seem really iffy on triggering.
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Nov 19, 2020 19:00
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My favourite part in Zestiria is the weird way that combat is about the relationship between
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Nov 19, 2020 19:11
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Tales of Zestiria was one of the most aggressively bland RPGs I've played in recent memory. The hero is the definition of boy-scout anime boy and the rest of the cast is boring as well. The combat seemed overwhelming and nonsensical but I just mashed buttons and won most of the time. I never got close to finishing it. Also, they used a sound loop for background noise in the cities that was supposed to be generic chatter but I swear there was a very audible "I love their armor" and I couldn't ignore it. There were multiple cutscenes in cities and I keep hearing this doofus say "I love their armor" in the background over and over again.
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Nov 19, 2020 19:51
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Morpheus posted:My favourite part in Zestiria is the weird way that combat is about the relationship between Legit the only interesting thing about Zestiria is that Sorey was gay with the water spirit guy.
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Nov 19, 2020 20:10
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zestiria has great party members, in things other than zestiria itself rose is a fun character when she's in anything that isn't the original script of zestiria, edna is fun when she isn't basically being bent to fit zestiria's plot progression, zaveid is zaveid
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Nov 19, 2020 20:33
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Elvis_Maximus posted:Depression and any mental problem/distress literally turns people to monsters that attack people iirc A Sometimes Food posted:Negative emotions create monsters and warp reality so if you're depressed (or angry) and can't stop being depressed then the ethical thing to is to kill yourself for the sake of everyone else. Doing otherwise is cowardly and selfish. Caphi posted:Basically it takes place in a setting where "negative emotions" that you can't somehow "confront" turn you into monsters and cause natural disasters and poo poo, and you slaughter your way through a bunch of abused women and war-traumatized orphans while your party members tell the main character "there was nothing else you could do" and then at the end he learns that really killing them is a moral imperative because being a mental illness demon is suffering and it's his responsibility to release them from their torment. wow I'm so glad I never even considered playing this game, christ
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Nov 19, 2020 20:50
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Leraika posted:wow I'm so glad I never even considered playing this game, christ on the other hand it gave us berseria, whose plot pretty much revolves around rebuking whatever wack-rear end philosophy zestiria presented, with great success
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Nov 19, 2020 20:53
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I am intensely curious as to what Lailah (and some of Edna's) endless pun sprees were in Japanese. Mikleo getting fed up at the butt puns from Edna is one of the more memorable skits.
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Nov 19, 2020 21:00
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Even the lore of Zestiria seems unfinished; characters talk about the mythical legend of the last messiah figure like he was around hundreds of years ago and his great deeds are totally lost to time, but then you later learned this poo poo happened 10-20 years ago Leraika posted:wow I'm so glad I never even considered playing this game, christ Another thing to add is that there is a side quest where you encounter a super powerful negative emotion energy dragon and the party is like “hey, maybe we should look for a way to cure this person!” The entire game goes by, none of this poo poo gets brought up again, and that party never actually even begins to investigate a cure. You go back to the dragon near the end of the game and is like “welp, i guess we have no choice but to murder this dragon” All of this goes *profoundly* different in the anime
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Nov 19, 2020 21:05
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that's not just a sidequest, that is the entire resolution to a party member's character arc
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Nov 19, 2020 21:05
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At least Zesteria had a pretty rad opening: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e75SiQg2Bek
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Nov 20, 2020 01:03
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Yeah it's one of my favourite Tales openings, shame its attached to Zesteria.
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Nov 20, 2020 01:08
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Golden Goat posted:I think one problem I have with Yakuza 7's combat is I'm not sure what each job is going for. Like it's really just they either do physical or magic damage. Its an endemic thing to the skills where you get better versions of them later that proc more regularly, but the xp curve is such that you won't be getting those better variants until the very endgame. Like difficulty wise the first ~10 chapters and last 3 are different games because the last three can finally expect your skills to have become reliably useful.
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Nov 20, 2020 01:11
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tbh i only think white light is okay. the song is good but as an opening it doesn't really fit the game abyss, legendia and innocence have cooler ops
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