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Still in awe of how badly Starmer's been loving everything up. For the Labour party to move on and start being a coherent opposition: having positions on Brexit, preparing for the next election etc, there are 2 prerequisites: the antisemitism thing needs to be put to bed, so the party can move past it and the toxic atmosphere of mistrust that's developed in the party needs to be resolved. At every step, Starmer seems to be taking the worst possible option and ensuring that they become irresolvable, it's amazing really. Hey, new page: no need to do a snipe, 'cos my original post was pretty much perfect anyway.
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ShaneMacGowansTeeth posted:let's not mention the type 45 destroyers and the "can't operate in warm water" fiasco (which still isn't fixed) Hey it's fixed for half of them! No we're not going to fix the other half, after all what are the chances we're going to be going to war somewhere warm?
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Soricidus posted:The lords sucks as an institution but do you really want boris to be the one to reform it?  e: ^^ In the grim climate of the near future there is only warm.
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Pistol_Pete posted:Hey, new page: no need to do a snipe, 'cos my original post was pretty much perfect anyway. * Other post critics have called this differently
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I loving hate jlm https://twitter.com/HowUpsetting/status/1329716845704863751?s=19
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Nov 20, 2020 10:29
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Apparently Angela Rayner/labour have put out a trans positive statement and half of twitter is just going "lol rosie duffield" at her/the party. Which is entirely deserved.
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Nov 20, 2020 10:31
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Jose posted:I loving hate jlm
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Was having a chat with the ol’ mother this morning and it got a touch political. Now bearing in mind i’ve managed to successfully convince her that Brexit was not a good idea, and that Boris was fun on Have I Got News For You but is actually a pretty awful person and a poo poo politician and bad for the country, my latest challenge is that she thinks Corbyn is a nasty person who shouldn’t have been let back into Labour. She almost exclusively watches BBC news with a smattering of Sky, and I’m very out of touch with Corbyn / Labour / anti-semitism, so what are the key points I need to bear in mind? My vague knowledge from reading here is that Corbyn became leader, saw their was problematic behaviour in the party, tried to deal with it, got sort of blocked for a couple of years but made some progress, but not enough for that report and his “failure” to reduce anti semitic behaviour to 0 was used to smear him all over the walls. Basically looking for a brief / concise fact check as I’ve pretty much no faith in any news media these days.
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OwlFancier posted:Apparently Angela Rayner/labour have put out a trans positive statement and half of twitter is just going "lol rosie duffield" at her/the party. As usual it's Rayner not Keith who has put out a statement about minorities too Only comment on that islamophobia report was her replying to someone's tweet about it
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Nov 20, 2020 10:35
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Broadly correct yes, with a bit of trying to keep a unified front to win elections while the party apparatus was full of people just wrecking in all possible directions.
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Jose posted:As usual it's Rayner not Keith who has put out a statement about minorities too I wonder if it's cos he doesn't care or if it's because he wants someone else to catch the flak from the gammons. Or rather, I wonder which is the principal motivator as I am sure it is both.
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OwlFancier posted:I wonder if it's cos he doesn't care or if it's because he wants someone else to catch the flak from the gammons. his team is entirely white men so i don't think it registers except for antisemitism since the victims are usually white
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Nov 20, 2020 10:47
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jfc https://twitter.com/RespectIsVital/status/1329486913561120768?s=20
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Nov 20, 2020 10:49
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goddamnedtwisto posted:Hey it's fixed for half of them! No we're not going to fix the other half, after all what are the chances we're going to be going to war somewhere warm? well only one is in Birkenhead getting the extra generator fitted, two are still laid up in Portsmouth as they have been since they gave me an all access pass to the base
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Nov 20, 2020 10:50
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andyf posted:Was having a chat with the ol’ mother this morning and it got a touch political. Didn't the EHRC report basically exonerate Corbyn personally?
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Britannia will rule the waves again, and to ensure this we have commissioned the mighty battleship HMS Canute
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Yeah that got a big yikes from me too.
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His Divine Shadow posted:Didn't the EHRC report basically exonerate Corbyn personally? While the report lacked evidence regarding Corbyn's obvious guilt, it also did not specifically exonerate him from colluding with Russia. signed, a Guardian columnist
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Nov 20, 2020 11:00
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His Divine Shadow posted:Didn't the EHRC report basically exonerate Corbyn personally? Think you'll find his grandson Adolf Hitler did the Holocaust and he made Margaret Hodge try to build a block of flats on a Jewish cemetery when she was a councillor.
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Nov 20, 2020 11:05
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Jose posted:I loving hate jlm Without the caps I thought you were just being mean to someone called jim and I couldn' work out who it was...
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Nov 20, 2020 11:17
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thespaceinvader posted:Without the caps I thought you were just being mean to someone called jim and I couldn' work out who it was... Jim Pickard is a oval office if that helps.
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Nov 20, 2020 11:18
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I keep reading JLM as Jewish Lives Matter.
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Nov 20, 2020 11:21
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They don't think that tho.thespaceinvader posted:Without the caps I thought you were just being mean to someone called jim and I couldn' work out who it was... 
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Nov 20, 2020 11:21
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All this internal wrangling is all well and good but there are external factors that have to be addressed. Namely, the BoD and the Jewish community at large have named JC an anti-Semite, and until that stain is removed we aren't going anywhere. It could be said that the BoD is a Tory front, but when you also have the CAA, the JLM and the major Jewish newspapers all saying the same thing it looks like non-Jews telling Jews what is and isn't anti-Semitic. Would it be acceptable to do the same to the Muslim community or Black community? How on earth do we bring the Jewish community round to our PoV? Pointing at the EHRC report and saying "see, exonerated" feels very Facts Don't Care About Your Feelings. There are allies out there in Jewdas and JVL but they are sidelined as not being mainstream, so I just don't know how we on the left start to rebuild our relationship with the Jewish Community. And we really have to, without a clean bill of health, the left will always be tarnished with this brush.
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Vigil for Virgil posted:Yeah that got a big yikes from me too. https://twitter.com/Keir_Starmer/status/861305939600736256?s=20
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Is JLM even a part of the Jewish Community as you don't have to be in Labour or indeed a Jew to be a member?
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notaspy posted:There are allies out there in Jewdas and JVL but they are sidelined as not being mainstream, so I just don't know how we on the left start to rebuild our relationship with the Jewish Community. What they've unleashed through this is potentially dangerous to them and others though, a class driven left that doesn't give a poo poo about that. (fwiw, 'the Jewish community' that consists of Jews in Islington, Israeli brickies in Manchester, the Chabad movement, etc. mostly know what's going on with this and how malicious it is.) To defeat the hard right you must become etc etc
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andyf posted:Basically looking for a brief / concise fact check as I’ve pretty much no faith in any news media these days. Basically Rachel Riley got called some names on twitter because she didn't like the realisation that she was actually a nasty tory and Jeremy Corbyn is to blame.
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Speaking of anti-semitism, I did manage to get an article on the BBC History website taken down todayCrashbee posted:I'm annoyed by the content of the article '10 things you might not know about Simon de Montfort' https://www.historyextra.com/period/medieval/facts-simon-de-montfort-history-death-famous-parliament/ BBC posted:Thanks a lot for your message which has come through to me via our legal team. I have read the piece and I completely agree with you that the section on anti-Semitism is problematic for many reasons. I’ve asked our web editor to get the piece taken down and I believe it is now gone from the site. Crashbee fucked around with this message at 11:52 on Nov 20, 2020 |
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Guavanaut posted:To defeat the hard right you must become etc etc "You gotta fight fire with fire" - firefighter, killed in the line of duty
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NotJustANumber99 posted:Basically Rachel Riley got called some names on twitter because she didn't like the realisation that she was actually a nasty tory and Jeremy Corbyn is to blame. See also David Baddiel and blackface.
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NotJustANumber99 posted:Basically Rachel Riley got called some names on twitter because she didn't like the realisation that she was actually a nasty tory and Jeremy Corbyn is to blame. That's wrong and gently caress the people that did it, but the attempts to tie it to Corbyn and 'his trolls' are either mistaken or malicious. "Call the Jewish person vile names ostensibly for criticizing Corbyn but actually because you're a channer and get off on calling Jewish people vile names" is absolutely a *chan MO. Crashbee posted:Speaking of anti-semitism, I did manage to get a piece of the BBC History website taken down today
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NotJustANumber99 posted:Basically Rachel Riley got called some names on twitter because she didn't like the realisation that she was actually a nasty tory and Jeremy Corbyn is to blame. she was interviewed recently and asked who she'd vote for if an election happened and said tory and when asked about the lib dems stmbled becuase the thought hadn't occurred to her before stating that they can't win
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i know she's a massive racist but loving hell https://twitter.com/flying_rodent/status/1329740758665080832?s=20
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Jose posted:she was interviewed recently and asked who she'd vote for if an election happened and said tory and when asked about the lib dems stmbled becuase the thought hadn't occurred to her before stating that they can't win She also said the Greens were 'just as bad as Labour' without elaborating. Implying either that the Greens also have a Corbyn-esque literally Hitler villain, or that it was never actually about Corbyn and AS at all. 
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I don't reckon Starmer is going anywhere for the time being. He is going to pull a Theresa May, piss everyone off, not do anything and not leave
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Nov 20, 2020 12:00
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Jose posted:i know she's a massive racist but loving hell That's a hell of a take: anyone who isn't jewish is prone to savagery, sadism and dehumanisation, so it's perfectly moral to war crime them into extinction. [edit] Also: jewish people can't possibly be expected to have to adapt to other cultures
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ronya posted:Apropos of nothing, I stumbled across this essay on London's explosive growth in the 17th century by a RSA historian; I figure it will interest some ITT. Thanks ronya. Interesting to see the trend of academics outside of academia starting to take off. I mean if a guy making videos about left history via city skyline can making a living from Patreon subscription why not historians? At least in the social sciences the cost of research isn’t much higher than a salary.
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Jose posted:i know she's a massive racist but loving hell
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NotJustANumber99 posted:Basically Rachel Riley got called some names on twitter because she didn't like the realisation that she was actually a nasty tory and Jeremy Corbyn is to blame. 
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