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Once we count all the trump JFK junior write in ballots we will win handidly.
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I'm rewatching the Folding Ideas video and I can't get over the wacko at around 20 minutes in who doesn't believe in trees. I'm on the porch right now and can see like 50 god drat trees. It just cracks me up so hard. What the gently caress is wrong with you that you start thinking trees are a conspiracy?
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Nov 21, 2020 00:49
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Xiahou Dun posted:I'm rewatching the Folding Ideas video and I can't get over the wacko at around 20 minutes in who doesn't believe in trees. There are no trees is the best. Either flavor of the first video is amazing, it's either a russian man berating you about believing the things you see are TREES or a midwestern grandma repeating his words but without any actual hostility.
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Nov 21, 2020 00:51
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Xiahou Dun posted:I'm rewatching the Folding Ideas video and I can't get over the wacko at around 20 minutes in who doesn't believe in trees. The “trees” you’re seeing aren’t real trees, they’re just shrubs. The real trees are the mountains and mesas you see, even though they have absolutely no resemblance to fossilized plants of any kind. You see, the biblical giants cut them all down right after the earth was made five thousand years ago. The folding ideas video really emphasizes the fact that a unifying thread of so many of these conspiracy theories is the need to connect everything to bizarre American evangelical interpretations of biblical stories.
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Nov 21, 2020 00:56
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Look if those ain't trees what the gently caress have I been cutting up for firewood every summer since I was like 8 and could be trusted to use an axe without cutting my foot off. If they were fictitious it'd be a lot less work, sign me up. That'd be like not believing in water or something. (Ugh someone probably thinks that gently caress.)
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Nov 21, 2020 01:06
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Xiahou Dun posted:Look if those ain't trees what the gently caress have I been cutting up for firewood every summer since I was like 8 and could be trusted to use an axe without cutting my foot off. Shrubberies, as explained in the post above yours. It's not that the things you call trees don't exist. It's that all the mountains that 'prove' the billions of years age of the earth aren't mountains, they're tree stumps.
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Nov 21, 2020 01:14
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Captain Monkey posted:Shrubberies, as explained in the post above yours. It's not that the things you call trees don't exist. It's that all the mountains that 'prove' the billions of years age of the earth aren't mountains, they're tree stumps. So this is all just an extended Monty Python bit?
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Nov 21, 2020 01:32
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Guavanaut posted:Strong Q energy from this: You idiot. You loving fool. We all know that Trump has secretly swapped his brain into a clone Biden body, and will therefore remain the president. That’s basic loving knowledge at this point. But the Deep State pedophile cabal didn’t know that. And they installed one of their most trusted lieutenants as the Vice President. Kamala Harris? gently caress no. Hugo Chavez’s brain in a clone Kamala Harris body? That’s it. By the end of the Where is the real Kamala Harris? Don’t worry about it. Trust The Plan.
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Nov 21, 2020 03:15
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Well, at least Venezuela is in the safe hands of Al Gore.
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Nov 21, 2020 03:20
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Rob Rockley posted:The “trees” you’re seeing aren’t real trees, they’re just shrubs. The real trees are the mountains and mesas you see, even though they have absolutely no resemblance to fossilized plants of any kind. You see, the biblical giants cut them all down right after the earth was made five thousand years ago. What he opened my eyes to is the fact that Q, as well as other modern conspiracies, is eschatological, that is, concerned with the end of the world. The great storm is just the second coming.
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Nov 21, 2020 14:40
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Nov 21, 2020 23:51
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 Qanon turning on Republicans is the 2nd best outcome after spontaneously collapsing.
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Nov 22, 2020 00:11
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qANON gunning down tucker carlson like they did that gambino would be loving hilarious
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Nov 22, 2020 00:33
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It's just RINOism tuned specifically to attack anyone who isn't sufficiently pro-Trump. They were already doing this before but the election kind of has a laser focus as an issue.
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Nov 22, 2020 00:58
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Argas posted:It's just RINOism tuned specifically to attack anyone who isn't sufficiently pro-Trump. They were already doing this before but the election kind of has a laser focus as an issue. Right now the republican party is in a crisis. They looked at Trumps 90%+ approval ratings among republicans and have mostly subsumed themselves in being the party of 'Trump'. Our agenda is Trumps agenda! Except that Trump's agenda is full of crazed anti-government conspiracies that undermine their own positions of power. One toe out of line, one statement that doesn't match up with the hidden agenda put forth on 8kun, and they get hammered for impurity. For being secret socialists, pedo's and child murderers. It's one thing if you are a Democrat and they make all kinds of crazy accusations, it's expected and mostly does no harm. If you are a Republican and you aren't seen to be 'Working toward Trump' enough you could have a world of trouble. Jeff Session rightfully recused himself from the Mueller Investigation and his long career in politics is over. This is likely going to get worse as reality and the Qanon base get further apart. As we speak, alt-right activists are demanding state GOP representatives just disobey the law and give the election to Trump under threats of tearing apart the party and physical harm or death. Fox News seems to be in a similar position as seen by the Pizzagate v Tucker drama unfolding. The Fox News personalities don't believe the non-sense they spew, for them it's just a question of ratings and money. Hannity has reportedly earned worth hundreds of millions for his nonsense. Tucker is (in)famous for defending himself in court with, "No rational person believes the crap I say" and winning. But, here they are watching in real time as a new Nazi movement unfolds in America complete with systemic racism and violent brown shirted fascist groups all amplified and empowered by their own dishonest I have a feeling that getting Trump out of the white house is going to set off some unstable chain reactions and that we don't know where it's going to end up.
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Nov 22, 2020 15:10
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Murgos posted:Right now the republican party is in a crisis. They looked at Trumps 90%+ approval ratings among republicans and have mostly subsumed themselves in being the party of 'Trump'. Our agenda is Trumps agenda! Look at mister sunshine and lollipops over here.
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Nov 22, 2020 16:48
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Murgos posted:I have a feeling that getting Trump out of the white house is going to set off some unstable chain reactions and that we don't know where it's going to end up. Isn’t this basically what that “Stupid Coup” article that was posted elsewhere was saying? Fake edit: For reference https://medium.com/indica/i-lived-through-a-coup-america-is-having-one-now-437934b1dac3
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Nov 23, 2020 09:39
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Improper Umlaut posted:Isn’t this basically what that “Stupid Coup” article that was posted elsewhere was saying? I used to assiduously maintain that the point of comparison for Trump should be Berlusconi (loudly incompetent, mostly financial crime) but I dunno man, the we've got the My Pillow guy bailing out Kyle Rittenhouse
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Nov 23, 2020 15:53
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Improper Umlaut posted:Isn’t this basically what that “Stupid Coup” article that was posted elsewhere was saying? That article is awful and poorly written and I don’t even know what the author is really trying to say. So a typical medium article.
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Nov 24, 2020 14:24
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pseudanonymous posted:That article is awful and poorly written and I don’t even know what the author is really trying to say. So a typical medium article. I assume its trying to appeal to libs who need to see this as a coup because it makes them feel empowered to "fight fascism" by doing basically nothing. So its important trump look like a threat to democracy but not too much so they can feel like a protagonist in a YA novel.
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Nov 24, 2020 14:31
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RagnarokAngel posted:I assume its trying to appeal to libs who need to see this as a coup because it makes them feel empowered to "fight fascism" by doing basically nothing. So its important trump look like a threat to democracy but not too much so they can feel like a protagonist in a YA novel. It's not a great piece and it doesn't have a conclusion and the connections it draws are shallow, sure. But "it's childishly self-aggrandizing to act like Trump and his theory of politics are a threat to democracy" is a weird take in q4 2020.
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Nov 24, 2020 16:00
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RagnarokAngel posted:I assume its trying to appeal to libs who need to see this as a coup because it makes them feel empowered to "fight fascism" by doing basically nothing. So its important trump look like a threat to democracy but not too much so they can feel like a protagonist in a YA novel. We're more than two weeks past the election and he still hasn't admitted he lost. To say Trump isn't a threat to democracy as he's continuing to undermine it as well as a refusal to vacate his position is stupid. His base is a very real threat to democracy.
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Nov 24, 2020 16:36
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pseudanonymous posted:That article is awful and poorly written and I don’t even know what the author is really trying to say. So a typical medium article. It's a pretty straight forward thesis - just because a coup fails to seize control of the government doesn't mean it doesn't cause significant damage to the fabric of society. The Sri Lankan coup was stupid and failed, but its supporters didn't magically disappear or suddenly regain faith in society. They became violent (edit: probably more accurate to say were already violent, but yknow, point is they don't go away and people respond to violence with violence). The idea that democracy ritualizes away a lot of otherwise physical political violence, and so when belief in it is eroded people return to real violence, isn't a new one. "This year America had fascism on the ballot and nonwhite people mercifully said no. The fascists, however, are now saying gently caress ballots. And enough of the population is like gently caress yeah! This is a major problem, and it won’t just go away on a technicality. I’m telling you, as someone that’s been there, you’ve already lost. It doesn’t matter if you get Trump out. He and the Republican Party are destroying trust in elections in general. This is catastrophic. You have no idea." Like whether or not it's well written as a whole, that bit seems pretty easy to understand. TGLT fucked around with this message at 16:49 on Nov 24, 2020 |
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Nov 24, 2020 16:40
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TGLT posted:It's a pretty straight forward thesis - just because a coup fails to seize control of the government doesn't mean it doesn't cause irreparable damage to the fabric of society. The Sri Lankan coup was stupid and failed, but its supporters didn't magically disappear or suddenly regain faith in society. They became violent. The idea that democracy ritualizes away a lot of otherwise physical political violence, and so when belief in it is eroded people return to real violence, isn't a new one. Good. I hope this is what it takes to cause the whole of the broken electoral system to come crashing down, from the private financing, to the "electing electors", to the aspirant dynastic legacies of Kennedys, Clintons, Udalls, Bushes, and Trumps alike. Respectfully asking for election reform has failed spectacularly. You can only ignore the alarm for so long before the pressure in the pipe causes it to burst. Any system that allows fascism to come to power must, at the earliest opportunity, be dismantled and built over.
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Nov 24, 2020 16:46
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Y'know, I'm not sure my reaction to an article drawing a line from an attempted coup to loss of faith in democracy to a series of bombings that killed 267 innocent people would be "Good" but you do you I guess.
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Nov 24, 2020 16:51
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TGLT posted:Y'know, I'm not sure my reaction to an article drawing a line from an attempted coup to loss of faith in democracy to a series of bombings that killed 267 innocent people would be "Good" but you do you I guess. Pick a President. Any President. Doesn't have to be a modern one, any one. Now, most importantly, don't tell me who you picked. Okay, got someone in mind? Mouseover the spoiler when you're ready. They killed innocent people
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Nov 24, 2020 16:54
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I’m sure when lots of people die due to domestic terrorism and whatever shred of democracy we have left is destroyed, the result of that will be the socialist utopia you dream of
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Nov 24, 2020 16:55
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nah posted:I’m sure when lots of people die due to domestic terrorism and whatever shred of democracy we have left is destroyed, the result of that will be the socialist utopia you dream of i'll probably be first up against a wall e: i do find it rather illuminating that naysayers immediately jump to violence. like it's constantly top of mind. i just want everyone to put down their tools and stop working until we affect change, but, project whatever violent ideations you have onto me, it looks great on you. Lib and let die fucked around with this message at 17:01 on Nov 24, 2020 |
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Nov 24, 2020 16:56
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Hey, I doubt anyone posting in this thread is your direct enemy. It's not useful to your cause (or your mental health) for you to try to martyr yourself here.
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Nov 24, 2020 17:11
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indiscriminately posted:Hey, I doubt anyone posting in this thread is your direct enemy. It's not useful to your cause (or your mental health) for you to try to martyr yourself here. yeah i'm probably coming off more histrionic than i am "well if this trump debacle is what it took to actually catalyze a change to our hosed, broken system that we've been politely inquiring after for many, many election cycles to no real change except for one small state without a ton of representation in our federal government that passed a different voting system, then, i guess that's a thing that happened" because the latter is definitely more accurate to what i feel. something something as i shrink into a tiny corncob
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Nov 24, 2020 17:14
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Yeah like a general strike would be cool, but that article isn't about a general strike and the people it is highlighting as losing faith in democracy and democratic systems are fascists not socialists. That quote comes after this graph, if that clarifies the intent any.
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Nov 24, 2020 17:25
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Yeah responding to the glib comment about the socialist revolution was probably an unnecessary derail. My favorite Q deflection is to immediately ask about "that guy from Star Trek? He was like my favorite character!" and then express outsized disappointment when they reveal they want to tell me about pedophile pizzas
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Nov 24, 2020 17:32
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Well if there’s anything Thomas Brennan, placed on leave professor of physics and astronomy at Ferris state university, has proved is you don’t have to be uneducated to fall down the Q hole. I think my two favorite things are that, as an astronomy and physics professor, he claims we didn’t land on the moon because it’s simply too hot and literally glows from how hot it is and atom bombs aren’t real because the Wizard of Oz tornado looks really realistic so the military must have used the same top secret movie effects Dr. VooDoo fucked around with this message at 18:06 on Nov 24, 2020 |
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Nov 24, 2020 17:53
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This is the first time I’ve seen the “atom bombs are fake” conspiracy
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Nov 24, 2020 18:02
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PhallicPhalanges posted:This is the first time I’ve seen the “atom bombs are fake” conspiracy I kind of see why someone who doesn’t believe we went to the moon would think that. Our space travel program and atomic weapons program were pretty tightly tied together. If you deny one there’s cross over you’d have to also deny. So both must be fake
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Nov 24, 2020 18:08
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That's actually a very effective public letter, it would be difficult to come away from reading it without feeling bad for him. "Lord have mercy on me" indeed.
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Nov 24, 2020 18:21
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Dr. VooDoo posted:Well if there’s anything Thomas Brennan, placed on leave professor of physics and astronomy at Ferris state university, has proved is you don’t have to be uneducated to fall down the Q hole. That is true and also worrying. I know several people who I previously would have described as intelligent, who now traffic in unadorned and ludicrous conspiracy theories. And a while lot more who dabble at the fringes with scepticism like "how do we know vaccines work?", "just saying, it would make sense for the Chinese to be behind this", "there are pedophile gangs prowling the world" etc. Is Ferris State a proper institute, a backwater or diploma mill?
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RagnarokAngel posted:I assume its trying to appeal to libs who need to see this as a coup because it makes them feel empowered to "fight fascism" by doing basically nothing. So its important trump look like a threat to democracy but not too much so they can feel like a protagonist in a YA novel. I thought it was a good read overall, not bothered by the guys writing style. The greatest threat is that when the people in power call the democratic process into question themselves they undermine it in the eyes of their supporters and opponents some of whom will then take direct violent action. Trumps been on about election fraud for months already and blood has and will be spilled because of it. How far it goes remains to be seen but the damage to peoples faith in democracy is already done.
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PhallicPhalanges posted:This is the first time I’ve seen the “atom bombs are fake” conspiracy  ahead:quote:Have you heard about Trofim Lyssenko? He was the inventor of pseudoscience or really bad, fake science around 1930! Stalin loved him. Ever heard about Stalin? He was in charge of the Socialist/Communist Paradise (sic) in the Sovietunion 1924 - 1953. A very competent mass murderer that together with Hitler, an incompetent madman, started WW2 by attacking east Poland and Finland 1939 and the Baltic states 1940 and who US president Roosevelt liked a lot. Stalin could keep east Poland, a part of Finland and the Baltic states after WW2. Ever heard about US president Roosevelt, FDR? He was quite competent and created the fake atomic bomb under great, military secrecy 1942/5! With a plenty help from friends. FDR had 1942 asked his secretary of war and destruction, Henry Lewis Stimson, to secretly build nuclear weapons. FDR died April 1945 and was replaced by Harry Truman. And in July Stimson could inform Truman that two a-bombs were ready to be dropped on Japan August 1945, where the war was still on. USA had just lost plenty soldiers - >100 000 killed and injured - invading small islands like Iwo Jima February and Okinawa little later. Two guys had the same name and the US hasn't nuked anyone since WW2 so it's all fake I guess. e: Wait no they didn't even have the same names, Robert O Lyssenko is Robert Oppenheimer. Two people had different names so nukes fake. It's the dumbest poo poo. Guavanaut fucked around with this message at 19:00 on Nov 24, 2020 |
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pop fly to McGillicutty posted:We're more than two weeks past the election and he still hasn't admitted he lost. To say Trump isn't a threat to democracy as he's continuing to undermine it as well as a refusal to vacate his position is stupid. His base is a very real threat to democracy. If you believed this you'd be a lot more proactive.
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