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Egg Moron
Jul 21, 2003

the dreams of the delighting void

Serf posted:

i recently rewatched dawn of the dead (1978) and its hilarious now how that movie opens with a tv station manager refusing to take down a list of overrun rescue centers because ratings will go down

also romero is a loving oracle, because the arc of roger is basically that of america throughout my lifetime. acts like a demented cowboy, hooting and hollering and poo poo until he gets bitten twice, then spends the rest of his time slowly deteriorating while amusing himself with relics of the dead empire before he reanimates as a mindless ghoul. i know that the original ending saw peter shooting himself and fran sticking her head up between the helicopter blades and the theatrical ending with peter fighting his way out to the chopper and them escaping was something that the studio demanded, but its really obvious how much romero hates it. the music that plays while peter makes his escape is borderline satirical

yeah man, that all is true as hell


I watched the classic romeros around halloween

Day of the Dead is so loving good

real upper level doomsday mindset content

https://i.imgur.com/b2AIYyX.mp4

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Mr Hootington
Jul 24, 2008

I'M HAVING A HOOT EATING CORNETTE THE LONG WAY
Just finished up the Francis Ford Coppola directed film "The Conversation" starring Gene Hackman with Harrison Ford, John Cazale, Cindy Williams and Robert Duval. I enjoyed this film and would recommend it to others. The slow, quiet pace of the film leading to the climax and ending was interesting. I think in our society of being under surveillance 24/7 it is a really interesting movie.

Serf
May 5, 2011


Dr. Killjoy posted:

love that the biker gang were portrayed as insane freaks for wanting to kill zombies for the sake of killing zombies, and in gorier ways than had been done in zombie films up to that point, and now that's just the entirety of the genre

yeah they literally engage in clownery, spraying them with seltzer and hitting them in the face with pies. using swords and hammers for no good reason at all. tom savini stabs a zombie in the neck just for the fun of it. also the lead biker raider has a loving ss symbol on his helmet. its very interesting how we see roger and peter participating in what is essentially ethnic cleansing in the city, but out in the countryside the cops and military and boozing it up with the white militias, hunting zombies for fun


Egg Moron posted:

yeah man, that all is true as hell


I watched the classic romeros around halloween

Day of the Dead is so loving good

real upper level doomsday mindset content

https://i.imgur.com/b2AIYyX.mp4

i'm gonna rewatch day this week sometime. i even have fond memories of land, which is basically the class war metaphor with no attempt to disguise it. i do also want to watch diary and survival. i don't remember liking them, but i'll give them another shot

i also rewatched snyder's 2004 dawn remake, which has a killer opening and then just sorta devolves from there. its amazing how empty that film is compared to the 1978 original. there's some attempt made with ty burrell's character being a rich rear end in a top hat, but that never really takes shape like it does in romero's version.

some choice lines from the 1878 dawn:

"the only person who could miss with this gun would be the sucker with the bread to buy it"

"they will never run out of food as long as we're still alive" (pretty mtw line imo)

Organic Lube User
Apr 15, 2005

Two episodes in to His Dark Materials and I'm getting strong Epstein vibes from it so far...

StashAugustine
Mar 24, 2013

Do not trust in hope- it will betray you! Only faith and hatred sustain.

I saw Day and Land recently; Day is pretty good and also just unpleasant to watch, Land is going for an interesting metaphor and doesn't quite make it but manages to be entertaining at least

Aglet56
Sep 1, 2011
wow, chapter 1 of the grapes of wrath

quote:

In the morning the dust hung like fog, and the sun was as red as ripe new blood. All day the dust sifted down from the sky, and the next day it sifted down. An even blanket covered the earth. It settled on the corn, piled up on the tops of the fence posts, piled up on the wires; it settled on roofs, blanketed the weeds and trees.

The people came out of their houses and smelled the hot stinging air and covered their noses from it. And the children came out of the houses, but they did not run or shout as they would have done after a rain. Men stood by their fences and looked at the ruined corn, drying fast now, only a little green showing through the film of dust. The men were silent and they did not move often. And the women came out of the houses to stand beside their men—to feel whether this time the men would break

i didn't read this book in high school so i'm only now reading it in adulthood and wow

Trabisnikof
Dec 24, 2005

Aglet56 posted:

wow, chapter 1 of the grapes of wrath


i didn't read this book in high school so i'm only now reading it in adulthood and wow

wait til you get to chapter 25, still loving destroys me every time

The works of the roots of the vines, of the trees....

Some Guy TT
Aug 30, 2011

quote:

The owners of the land came onto the land, or more often a spokesman for the owners came. They came in closed cars, and they felt the dry earth with their fingers, and sometimes they drove big earth augers into the ground for soil tests. The tenants, from their sun-beaten dooryards, watched uneasily when the closed cars drove along the fields. And at last the owner men drove into the dooryards and sat in their cars to talk out of the windows. The tenant men stood beside the cars for a while, and then squatted on their hams and found sticks with which to mark the dust.

In the open doors the women stood looking out, and be-, hind them the children—corn-headed children, with wide eyes, one bare foot on top of the other bare foot, and the toes working. The women and the children watched their men talking to the owner men. They were silent.

Some of the owner men were kind because they hated what they had to do, and some of them were angry because they hated to be cruel, and some of them were cold because they had long ago found that one could not be an owner unless one were cold. And all of them were caught in some- thing larger than themselves. Some of them hated the mathematics that drove them, and some were afraid, and some worshiped the mathematics because it provided a refuge from thought and from feeling. If a bank or a finance company owned the land, the owner man said, The Bank or the Company— needs— wants— insists— must have-as though the Bank or the Company were a monster, with thought and feeling, which had ensnared them. These last would take no responsibility for the banks or the companies because they were men and slaves, while the banks were machines and masters all at the same time. Some of the owner men were a little proud to be slaves to such cold and powerful masters* The owner men sat in the cars and explained. You know the land is poor. You’ve scrabbled at it long enough, God knows.

ive always hated this passage because it inspires way way too much sympathy for capitalists

they know exactly what theyre doing steinbeck dont be a dipshit and assume they mean well just because they dont have the balls to cop to it

Some Guy TT
Aug 30, 2011

in more frivolous cspam pop culture thread discussion

https://twitter.com/willystaley/status/1330929736407797761

gonna go with the crows from dumbo

so jokerfied they believe an elephant can fly and it does

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy
Home Alone 2 was distributed by 20th Century Fox, which is a subsidiary of Walt Disney Studios, which is a division of The Walt Disney Company.

so a Disney character who would have voted for Trump would be:

Egg Moron
Jul 21, 2003

the dreams of the delighting void

Land is a decent watch in the sense that it has big budget b movie vibes and it is not as bad as people tend to say. I like the cast. Dennis Hopper was great on screen in all his roles. Even waterworld.

Diary and survival I just couldn't get into

My favorite Romero films though are The Crazies and Martin

The Crazies is a great outbreak romp. It got remade sometime in the last 15 year's but i never saw the remake

Martin is so loving good. It's about a kid whose old world grandpa is convinced the boy is a vampire and it is about the bumbling attempts this kid makes to actualize that vision. And with a night of the living dead caliber ending

Egg Moron
Jul 21, 2003

the dreams of the delighting void

StashAugustine posted:

I saw Day and Land recently; Day is pretty good and also just unpleasant to watch,

Watching Day of the Dead to me is like giving a baby a warm bottle. There is just something so soothing about it. The obviousness of the futility of the actions of the survivors who are maniacally attempting to keep working toward a goal that is more and more absurd in the face of the increasingly dire circumstances. The end is truly uplifting. Yes, poo poo is hosed, disengage and attempt to find peace. Very cool.

Big Mad Drongo
Nov 10, 2006

Some Guy TT posted:

ive always hated this passage because it inspires way way too much sympathy for capitalists

they know exactly what theyre doing steinbeck dont be a dipshit and assume they mean well just because they dont have the balls to cop to it

I don't read sympathy there at all, it's just stating that the owners are all coping with the fact that they're monsters without ever stopping to think about whether they should stop being monsters. The "nice" ones are being just as much monsters as the banks they serve, and the fact that they hate themselves for it drives home their complicity.

I don't see anything implying they mean well.

Some Guy TT
Aug 30, 2011

the idea that theyre coping at all is inherently sympathetic

you see the same idea at play in cop shows and war movies where police and soldiers will express remorse about killing innocent people and this self awareness is used to suggest that they are not awful people

in reality people with these kinds of professions all develop learned sociopathy and yes i am aware the steinbeck passage also acknowledges such people exist but it acts like theyre just one competing faction not that they make up the vast majority

Baudolino
Apr 1, 2010

THUNDERDOME LOSER
Donald duck would have voted for Trump. His core traits are impatience, anger and jeliousness. And he is vain enough to want the president to bear his name.

vyelkin
Jan 2, 2011

Some Guy TT posted:

in more frivolous cspam pop culture thread discussion

https://twitter.com/willystaley/status/1330929736407797761

gonna go with the crows from dumbo

so jokerfied they believe an elephant can fly and it does

this is scrooge mcduck erasure

vyelkin
Jan 2, 2011
huey, dewey, and louie are now alt-right youtube personalities

Lib and let die
Aug 26, 2004

vyelkin posted:

huey, dewey, and louie are now alt-right youtube personalities

Mr. McDuck, a notable eccentric billionaire published an article in the McDuck owned Quackington Post lamenting that his platform was being erased.

vyelkin
Jan 2, 2011
Coming up at the top of the hour, Mr. McDuck, the wealthiest duck alive, tells us how the proposed legislation that would raise his taxes by 1% is socialism

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.
There's no way Donald Duck would make it to a voting booth without terminal shenanigans

Pete is 100% a trump voter though. Quiet about it if necessary, but definitely voted.

Wraith of J.O.I.
Jan 25, 2012


i watched Still Walking last night by kore-eda who made last year’s (? 2018?) Shoplifters, and it was a wonderfully soothing little family drama in the vein of Ozu. some nice warm escapism during these times separated from family, even if the dad in it is a crank and the mom’s a lowkey savage. we don’t get many movies like these in the US i feel, or if we do they are awful saccharine schmaltz. check it out on Criterion if you have it or download it or whatever if that interests you

mandatory lesbian
Dec 18, 2012

Dr. Killjoy posted:

excellent film scoring by Dario Argento and Goblin!

for the time Roger's alive he and Peter make for a very Dudes Rock movie

love that the biker gang were portrayed as insane freaks for wanting to kill zombies for the sake of killing zombies, and in gorier ways than had been done in zombie films up to that point, and now that's just the entirety of the genre

The first few romero dead films can be read as commentaries on zombie movies pretty easily, dont let a little thing like "they basically invented the genre" get in the way

Eox
Jun 20, 2010

by Fluffdaddy

Baudolino posted:

Donald duck would have voted for Trump. His core traits are impatience, anger and jeliousness. And he is vain enough to want the president to bear his name.

donald duck is a veteran and he would not approve of draft dodging

MonsieurChoc
Oct 12, 2013

Every species can smell its own extinction.
McDuck would probably be a Yang voter or something.

He's that mythical being that exists only in fiction: a good capitalist.

Some Guy TT
Aug 30, 2011

Eox posted:

donald duck is a veteran and he would not approve of draft dodging

then hes in for some bad news when he learns about joe bidens deferment record

Egg Moron
Jul 21, 2003

the dreams of the delighting void

https://i.imgur.com/hkqDpx2.mp4

Egg Moron
Jul 21, 2003

the dreams of the delighting void

scrooge mcduck is a soverign citizen goldbug with horrendous social views but is incredibly reasonable on foreign policy

mysterious frankie
Jan 11, 2009

This displeases Dev- ..van. Shut up.
Donald would definitely scream on Facebook a lot, but he wouldn’t have any strong political affiliations. You might confuse him for a Trump supporter, because of his intermittent explosive disorder and affection for image macros about how cute it is that you think anyone should care about your feelings, but really he’s just mad god didn’t kill him off the Kuwaiti coast like he was supposed to, and his deadbeat sister left him with three awful, lead poisoned, children to raise when rust belt mega diabetes crashed over her like a fat wave. Forming a cogent ideology, or even voting, would indicate he ever calmed down enough to act rather than react. He might vote if he fell victim to a modern equivalent of cooping gangs, but more likely he’d receive a severe beating when he belligerently refused to comply.

Farm Frenzy
Jan 3, 2007

Some Guy TT posted:

the idea that theyre coping at all is inherently sympathetic

you see the same idea at play in cop shows and war movies where police and soldiers will express remorse about killing innocent people and this self awareness is used to suggest that they are not awful people

in reality people with these kinds of professions all develop learned sociopathy and yes i am aware the steinbeck passage also acknowledges such people exist but it acts like theyre just one competing faction not that they make up the vast majority

john steinbeck btfo

mysterious frankie
Jan 11, 2009

This displeases Dev- ..van. Shut up.
Finally got around to watching The Boys. I thought the first season kept a good momentum- bouncing deftly between scenes of cartoonish violence, serious plot/character development, & humor- but four episodes into season two and I’m stalling. Compared to season one, season two biases heavily toward characters talking the story forward, and man it draaaaags.

Egg Moron
Jul 21, 2003

the dreams of the delighting void

mysterious frankie posted:

Finally got around to watching The Boys. I thought the first season kept a good momentum- bouncing deftly between scenes of cartoonish violence, serious plot/character development, & humor- but four episodes into season two and I’m stalling. Compared to season one, season two biases heavily toward characters talking the story forward, and man it draaaaags.

that gets way better really fast in terms of the season two problems

it's really frontloaded with that poo poo and then it breaks wide open

Hodgepodge
Jan 29, 2006
Probation
Can't post for 203 days!

mysterious frankie posted:

Forming a cogent ideology, or even voting, would indicate he ever calmed down enough to act rather than react.

how could such a person ever be a reactionary??!

mysterious frankie
Jan 11, 2009

This displeases Dev- ..van. Shut up.

Egg Moron posted:

that gets way better really fast in terms of the season two problems

it's really frontloaded with that poo poo and then it breaks wide open

Nice! I’ll pick it up again tomorrow.

Hodgepodge posted:

how could such a person ever be a reactionary??!

In my depressing cartoon nightmare scenario the manduck is prone to reaction, but is not a participating reactionist, due mainly to disorganized thinking leaving him trapped in a senseless ouroboric knot of juddering rage. Donald’s disastrous psyche prevents him from conceiving of a good old day which society could reclaim.

Also he is friends with Bojack Horseman and they split rent on a bungalow located in a webcomic about cutting.

mysterious frankie has issued a correction as of 05:33 on Nov 25, 2020

Some Guy TT
Aug 30, 2011

i can strongly recommend 99 homes as a movie that seriously tackles evictor logic the whole movie is just andrew garfield slowly realizing that feeling bad about evicting people doesnt make him any less monstrous for continuing to do so solely for personal gain

the cops in that movie are legit evil precisely because theyre so nice after a certain point its painfully obvious that theyre making a strategic decision to minimize resistance and that they dont actually care about the people whose lives theyre destroying

hell they dont even care about the law even though thats their entire rationalization the climax hinges around an obviously forged document that no authority figure cares about because the rules dont actually matter

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.

mysterious frankie posted:

Donald would definitely scream on Facebook a lot, but he wouldn’t have any strong political affiliations. You might confuse him for a Trump supporter, because of his intermittent explosive disorder and affection for image macros about how cute it is that you think anyone should care about your feelings, but really he’s just mad god didn’t kill him off the Kuwaiti coast like he was supposed to, and his deadbeat sister left him with three awful, lead poisoned, children to raise when rust belt mega diabetes crashed over her like a fat wave. Forming a cogent ideology, or even voting, would indicate he ever calmed down enough to act rather than react. He might vote if he fell victim to a modern equivalent of cooping gangs, but more likely he’d receive a severe beating when he belligerently refused to comply.

Fun thing is this is almost canon in the new show, but he actually gets anger management, also his terminal adrenaline junkie sister got lost in space and he beats the poo poo out of Beagle Boys ten times his size (and he actually takes on Gizmoduck and won off-screen)

StashAugustine
Mar 24, 2013

Do not trust in hope- it will betray you! Only faith and hatred sustain.

Watched Three Days of the Condor. The gender politics are atrocious but its otherwise pretty decent; the plot concerning a conspiracy to secure oil makes all the establishing shots of the WTC hilarious in retrospect

Psychedelicatessen
Feb 17, 2012

Scrooge would never vote Trump and here's why:

The kindest reading of Scrooge hates frauds and panhandlers. So he would open a trapdoor beneath Trump, hit him with a boxing glove trap or threaten him with a cannon, just to get him out of his money bin. Trump's aggressive rhetoric towards other countries would also make it harder for Scrooge to fly around the world and loot lost cultural treasures, his true passion.

The least kind (and most American) reading of Scrooge, tells us that he's well aware that the entire political apparatus is working for people like him and that won't change anytime soon. He would vote democrat to justify making his nephew work for a dime/hr. The triplets works for free of course, because they're kids and have to learn that hard work is its own reward.


However, Scrooge would vote for any candidate that actually came from a low-income home and worked their way up the system, no matter how awful their political postitions are.

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.
Scrooge votes based on obscure grudges with the ancestors of candidates that no one else who isn't 150 years old remembers.

DoubleDonut
Oct 22, 2010


Fallen Rib
Scrooge voted libertarian

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Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.
Launchpad can only vote for John McCain

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