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The difference between TOS and the TOS movies still makes me laugh a bit. TOS was very much “unknowable ultrafuture”, whereas the movies after TMP portray everything as “the 80s, but in space”.
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Literally Lewis Hamilton posted:Who says VI is the worst?? I don't think I would say it's the worst. But it's not the best, and every time I watch it, it gets worse.
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Nov 25, 2020 18:13
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Son of Sam-I-Am posted:I don't think I would say it's the worst. But it's not the best, and every time I watch it, it gets worse. What the hell can you find objectionable about VI?
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Nov 25, 2020 18:25
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Nov 25, 2020 18:37
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CainFortea posted:What the hell can you find objectionable about VI? I mean the scene where Spock essentially mind rapes Valeris feels a bit icky now, but that certainly isn't enough for me to not like the movie as a whole.
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Nov 25, 2020 19:06
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VI gets better every time I see it. Generations gets worse.
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HD DAD posted:The difference between TOS and the TOS movies still makes me laugh a bit. TOS was very much “unknowable ultrafuture”, whereas the movies after TMP portray everything as “the 80s, but in space”. I've been re-watching TOS every Saturday night via MeTV and yeah the show is just bonkers and weird most of the time, and I love it. I like the way you put it 'unknowable ultra future.' That's something the other series have never been able to re-create. I think early TNG tried to, but the quickly steered away from it.
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Nov 25, 2020 20:52
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Drink-Mix Man posted:VI gets better every time I see it. Generations gets worse. It's so sad just how bad the TNG movies really are. First Contact is the good one, and it's just not that good, it's only the shiniest turd in the bucket.
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Nov 25, 2020 20:56
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Generations probably isn't as bad as it feels because Kirk dies twice and your favorite Enterprise is destroyed traumatically and Picard is loving breaking down within the opening loving 30 minutes because his nephew burned to death in a fire for some reason Like there's so much grim stuff that happens in it that it just taints my whole perception of the story
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Nov 25, 2020 21:10
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William Shatner sticking his big fat ego into the movie didn't help. It really convoluted what would have been a simple story. But it overstuffed it. Without him, the story still would have been, "That's it?" Like an episode of the week. But combine that with Shatner and it's a mess.
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Tighclops posted:Generations probably isn't as bad as it feels because Kirk dies twice and your favorite Enterprise is destroyed traumatically and Picard is loving breaking down within the opening loving 30 minutes because his nephew burned to death in a fire for some reason The best part of the movie is when Picard, a Frenchman, celebrates a very Dickensian Christmas with his very English family. I'm convinced the writers didn't know he's French.
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the most inspirational thing about star trek is that it portrays a future in which france has been almost totally culturally assimilated by england
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Nov 25, 2020 23:27
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Generations is just a huge mess with too much going on, and it never really manages to merge the TOS stuff with the TNG stuff. I will also never get over the Enterprise D being crippled by a lovely old BoP
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Nov 25, 2020 23:36
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Picard never left the Nexus. The Nexus just knows Picard wants to not be there so it plays along.
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FlamingLiberal posted:Generations is just a huge mess with too much going on, and it never really manages to merge the TOS stuff with the TNG stuff. A lovely old BoP that can ignore it's shields.
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The General posted:Picard never left the Nexus. The Nexus just knows Picard wants to not be there so it plays along.
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CainFortea posted:What the hell can you find objectionable about VI? All the characters are out of character, not just Spock with Valeris. Kirk most of all; in order to make the "end of history" plot work, he starts the film as a completely different person, and ends up a caricature of himself, already a victim of Kirk Drift. And don't get me started on dinner with the Klingons - one of the most disjointed and nonsensical scenes in the franchise. On the surface the movie is enjoyable enough and hides its low budget better than Final Frontier, but that's about all I can say for it.
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When you Voyage? With your best mates
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This is my definitive ranking of the Star Trek movies. 2 4 The Motion Picture Beyond First Contact 2009 6 Insurrection 3 5 Nemesis Generations Into Darkness Picard Everything after 3 is a varying degree of shameful unwatchable garbage. Generations is overall better than nemesis but the totally pointless deaths of Picards family fill me with a burning hot rage. Into darkness is totally irredeemable
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I ended up getting the Star Trek IX Blu Ray after somebody a thousand pages ago mentioned it has a commentary track where Jonathan Frakes and Mirina Sirtis drunkenly poo poo all over the movie, and it was great. Thank you to whoever that was.
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Nov 26, 2020 03:14
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The top 3 are all equally good imho. Beyond is as good as an episode of the week movie can be aside from the dumb beastie boys part. I do love the beastie boys though.
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I rewatched Insurrection not that long ago and it's really boring. There is so much stuff going on in the Trek universe at that point in time, and somehow the Enterprise got stuck dealing with all of that instead.
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Nov 26, 2020 03:17
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Son of Sam-I-Am posted:All the characters are out of character, not just Spock with Valeris. Kirk most of all; in order to make the "end of history" plot work, he starts the film as a completely different person, and ends up a caricature of himself, already a victim of Kirk Drift. And don't get me started on dinner with the Klingons - one of the most disjointed and nonsensical scenes in the franchise. On the surface the movie is enjoyable enough and hides its low budget better than Final Frontier, but that's about all I can say for it. It's telling that like, one of the only scenes shatner ever acted like an actor in, you find disjointed and bad.
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Nov 26, 2020 03:30
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Star Trek films, in order: TMP WoK SfS VH FF UC Generations First Contact Insurrection Nemesis Star Trek Into Darkness Beyond
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Let’s do this: TUC First Contact TMP Beyond TVH WoK 2009 Insurrection TSFS Generations TFF Nemesis Into Darkness
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Mine would be WoK, TUC, FC, ST2009, TVH, Beyond, Generations, TSS, Insurrection, ID, TMP, TFF, Nemesis I would also classify them this way- Great -WoK -TUC -FC Good -ST2009 -TVH -Beyond Average -Generations -TSS -Insurrection Bad but Watchable -ID Bad -TMP -TFF -Nemesis
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FlamingLiberal posted:Mine would be WoK, TUC, FC, ST2009, TVH, Beyond, Generations, TSS, Insurrection, ID, TMP, TFF, Nemesis TMP is good tho.
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I've never liked TMP. I've probably watched it 3-4 times at least, and it never gets better for me.
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sweet geek swag posted:TMP is good tho. I'm not going to say the is the most wrongest thing you've ever said about star trek, but it's up there.
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TOS Films: Good First Contact/Insurrection with commentary on: Enjoyable Trash Everything Else: Trash
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CainFortea posted:It's telling that like, one of the only scenes shatner ever acted like an actor in, you find disjointed and bad. If you actually pay attention to the dialogue and try to follow it as dialogue, instead of as individual sound bytes, it's non sequitur after non sequitur. It's like they took a (I will admit the possibility) great scene that was 3 times as long and took a hatchet to it for pacing.
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CainFortea posted:I'm not going to say the is the most wrongest thing you've ever said about star trek, but it's up there. It is the only Star Trek movie that even tries to be like the Original Series, except maybe Star Trek IV. I will admit that the original theatrical cut is a little long, but the directors cut where they cut down the long segments of flying by V'gers ship is a much tighter movie.
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Son of Sam-I-Am posted:If you actually pay attention to the dialogue and try to follow it as dialogue, instead of as individual sound bytes, it's non sequitur after non sequitur. It's like they took a (I will admit the possibility) great scene that was 3 times as long and took a hatchet to it for pacing. they were drunk!
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I'm torn on TMP being good or bad. It's good but it's also soooooo slow and boring.
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sweet geek swag posted:It is the only Star Trek movie that even tries to be like the Original Series, except maybe Star Trek IV. I will admit that the original theatrical cut is a little long, but the directors cut where they cut down the long segments of flying by V'gers ship is a much tighter movie.
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FlamingLiberal posted:4 is way more like TOS than TMP is. TMP feels like someone who only knew basic things about Star Trek and also wanted to put their own spin on 2001. It's just so sterile and dull. cosmic sphincters. long hair spock. disco mccoy. pearls before swine
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Son of Sam-I-Am posted:If you actually pay attention to the dialogue and try to follow it as dialogue, instead of as individual sound bytes, it's non sequitur after non sequitur. It's like they took a (I will admit the possibility) great scene that was 3 times as long and took a hatchet to it for pacing. I just watched it. You get that it's an awkward dinner conversation with people trying to change to "safe" topics and some of them are being jerks right?
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I’m putting on IV right now. Who would have thought the fourth movie in both Star Trek and star war would be the best ones
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