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Potato Salad posted:Mottom, one of the strongest beings in the universe, doesn't have an answer to an arrow? That was not an arrow, it was a Jaggarrow.
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Mottom's an old lady and a big dumb dog just knocked her on her butt, she needs a minute to get back on her feet.
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Nov 26, 2020 04:19
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Mottom and Mammon have spent the last 2000 years forgetting how to fight someone that can fight back.
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Nov 26, 2020 05:57
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Darth Walrus posted:There's a lot of very powerful beings who don't have an answer to a properly-wielded sword. It's not just that, he manifested clones and bows+arrows out of atum but the arrows somehow stayed around after the fact. If he had the master key he could probably personally deliver the same pizza to everyone in the multiverse simultaneously but nope, he wants to blow up reality to make it better.
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Nov 26, 2020 10:11
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Hell, is there any good reason why Mottom’s still rocking around as a crone right now? Unless she’s already completely pissed away her stock of youth fruit off-screen, you’d figure that Jagg finally going on the offensive would more than meet the threshold for holding nothing back.
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Regalingualius posted:Hell, is there any good reason why Mottom’s still rocking around as a crone right now? Unless she’s already completely pissed away her stock of youth fruit off-screen, you’d figure that Jagg finally going on the offensive would more than meet the threshold for holding nothing back. It's been over a year since her tree died. Those peaches probably aren't especially shelf stable, and even if they are, we saw the rate that she burned through them. She is only still alive because of spite, but Jagganoth isn't the target of her ire. She fears him. I still think it wouldn't have been game over for her without Jadis's intervention, though. She must have some trick up her sleeve.
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Nov 26, 2020 11:12
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Back when mottom crashed her colony into the bank i thought she got too angry to get old But I guess her figuring out how to remain young without the husband peaches meant she wouldve had some actual develepmont or revelation. Shes still in her funeral clothes.
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Nov 26, 2020 12:00
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Rigged Death Trap posted:
Oh wait no poo poo, is that seriously why she is wearing black?
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Nov 26, 2020 15:45
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Rigged Death Trap posted:Shes still in her funeral clothes.  This comic is so loving good.
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Nov 26, 2020 18:21
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Donkringel posted:Oh wait no poo poo, is that seriously why she is wearing black? I assumed it was her war getup
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Nov 26, 2020 20:14
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I think we could say she's... too old to die young. Annnnd I just found out there are several songs by that name. Not surprising I suppose. I meant the one used in Django.
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Nov 26, 2020 20:27
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I feel like since he's out of arrows it's now time for meteor swarm part 2.
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Nov 28, 2020 13:06
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Mammon's surprised look as his meteors get shot down is a hidden gem of the last update.
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Nov 28, 2020 14:31
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Jaggs channeling Impa from Age of Calamity with this splitting move.
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Nov 28, 2020 15:02
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NANNY GYTHA OGG Witch-Matriarch of the Ogg clan, tyrant of daughters-in-law, owner of Greebo. Bearer of the word FAMILY, and goddess of the Eight Part World.
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Nov 28, 2020 18:47
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I don't know what just came over me
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Nov 28, 2020 18:47
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One or both of Granny Weatherwax or Nanny Ogg is definitely Royalty. Not to be confused with Magrat, who is merely small-r royalty.
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Nov 28, 2020 19:16
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I feel like the witches are smart enough not to be Royal honestly.
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Nov 28, 2020 20:29
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I've been re-reading the Tiffany Aching books and while I'm not huge on the early witch-centric books from Pratchett, the Aching books extremely good and royalty-adjacent witching & witches. Not being a protagonist lets Weatherwax actually be the kind of imposing character she deserves to be! Also Miss Treason is amazing.
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Nov 28, 2020 20:39
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They're smart enough to stay very far away from any positions of hard, formal power, while still naturally commanding enormous amounts of soft power, which might as well be the definition of Royal.
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Nov 28, 2020 20:40
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The_Final_Stand posted:One or both of Granny Weatherwax or Nanny Ogg is definitely Royalty. Granny Weatherwax is very close to Royalty but trying very hard not to become Royalty. Nanny Ogg is actually Royalty, but in the master noodle vendor way.
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Nov 28, 2020 20:43
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Gytha Ogg has no interest in Royalty, and so achieves it effortlessly (or at least, that's what she'd say. She's not, I think, actually Royal because she is actually a huge busybody about keeping things in order.) Granny Weatherwax is absolutely dead-set on being Royalty but also moral enough to recognize what that would look like really, so is in an uncomfortable position of constantly trying to sidle just up to the line. When she feels like she can Cut freely, she just absolutely does. Granny absolutely lives for the moment she can totally go ahead and do the thing she wanted to do. Frankly, if she were less self-denying, she'd go out looking for monsters to mess with. The monsters are lucky she mostly waits for them to show up.
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Nov 28, 2020 21:59
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These Discworld Royalty discussions are some of my favorite things on this forum.
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Nov 28, 2020 23:08
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Would Meti speak highly of Dibbler? On the one hand, he's the local equivalent of a noodle seller, on the other hand he's trying entirely too hard most of the time.
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Nov 29, 2020 00:10
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Meti and Vimes would get along famously.
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Nov 29, 2020 00:13
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Lemony posted:I think we could say she's... too old to die young. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3fvCK2r9BLw I prefer this to those.
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Nov 29, 2020 00:20
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I've liked a lot of the Discworld books but at some point most of them boil down to "hyper-competent sensible person surrounded by a world of idiots". They're more charming to me when the protagonist is a bumbler too, like Color of Magic.
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Rotten Red Rod posted:I've liked a lot of the Discworld books but at some point most of them boil down to "hyper-competent sensible person surrounded by a world of idiots". They're more charming to me when the protagonist is a bumbler too, like Color of Magic.
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Innocent_Bystander posted:Would Meti speak highly of Dibbler? On the one hand, he's the local equivalent of a noodle seller, on the other hand he's trying entirely too hard most of the time. She would probably despise Dibbler because he doesn't actually value his craft, only sees it as his pathway to greater riches. Also, because he would not give a old woman in a barrel a free meat pie. But she would probably get along just fine with Foul Ol' Ron's gang, much to the terror and detriment of everyone they encounter.
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Ankh-Morpork would be full of Royal individuals, because they'd have made a Guild with Rules and if you follow the Rules you are thus Royal. Either that or a Vimes beheaded them all before they could take root.
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Rotten Red Rod posted:I've liked a lot of the Discworld books but at some point most of them boil down to "hyper-competent sensible person surrounded by a world of idiots". They're more charming to me when the protagonist is a bumbler too, like Color of Magic. Honestly most of the competent people are deeply not sensible at all - Vimes, Moist, the Witches, they're all competent but also super weird.
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Joe Slowboat posted:Gytha Ogg has no interest in Royalty, and so achieves it effortlessly (or at least, that's what she'd say. She's not, I think, actually Royal because she is actually a huge busybody about keeping things in order.) Weatherwax is one Cackle away from being a demiurge.
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A.o.D. posted:Weatherwax is one Cackle away from being a demiurge. 100% I love how much she resented her sister for being the bad one (her sister thought she was the good one, because she was all sparkles and fairy-godmothering) because it means Granny had to be the good one.
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A.o.D. posted:Weatherwax is one Cackle away from being a demiurge. Joe Slowboat posted:100% “There was a wicked ole witch once called Black Aliss. She was an unholy terror. There's never been one worse or more powerful. Until now. Because I could spit in her eye and steal her teeth, see. Because she didn't know Right from Wrong, so she got all twisted up, and that was the end of her. "The trouble is, you see, that if you do know Right from Wrong, you can't choose Wrong. You just can't do it and live. So.. if I was a bad witch I could make Mister Salzella's muscles turn against his bones and break them where he stood... if I was bad. I could do things inside his head, change the shape he thinks he is, and he'd be down on what had been his knees and begging to be turned into a frog... if I was bad. I could leave him with a mind like a scrambled egg, listening to colors and hearing smells...if I was bad. Oh yes." There was another sigh, deeper and more heartfelt. "But I can't do none of that stuff. That wouldn't be Right." She gave a deprecating little chuckle. And if Nanny Ogg had been listening, she would have resolved as follows: that no maddened cackle from Black Aliss of infamous memory, no evil little giggle from some crazed Vampyre whose morals were worse than his spelling, no side-splitting guffaw from the most inventive torturer, was quite so unnerving as a happy little chuckle from a Granny Weatherwax about to do what's best.”
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Rotten Red Rod posted:I've liked a lot of the Discworld books but at some point most of them boil down to "hyper-competent sensible person surrounded by a world of idiots". They're more charming to me when the protagonist is a bumbler too, like Color of Magic. I wonder if this is why they appealed to me so much as a teenager (aside from just being well written and funny)
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Nov 29, 2020 08:50
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Mr. Lobe posted:Ms. Cool Ice hah, nice
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Who What Now posted:Meti and Vimes would get along famously. Being knurd is close to perceiving the wheel id say
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Nov 29, 2020 12:15
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Innocent_Bystander posted:Would Meti speak highly of Dibbler? On the one hand, he's the local equivalent of a noodle seller, on the other hand he's trying entirely too hard most of the time. I feel like people interpret Meti's "go be a noodle seller" thing in a weird way. I don't think she likes or respects anyone who happens to sell noodles. I imagine she sees most of them as too fat and lazy, rather than too enlightened, to follow the way of the sword. For example, some family has been giving her noodles every day for years because they respect her ability to loving murder people really well, revealing themselves to be absolute morons (not that she's gonna turn down the noodles). Everything we've seen from her is a mixture of pride at having acheived absolute mastery of violence compared to which the rulers of the cosmos are dilletantes bonking each other on the head with sticks, and self-hatred on realising that was a lovely,empty thing to aim for and contempt for anyone else who doesn't realise that. She's not going to be your friend just because you work in a restaurant. I imagine she'd only respect someone who has both mastered Cutting and realised they should walk away from it and do something else. Maybe Intra? Probably not even then because she's a miserable old gently caress who doesn't like anyone.
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Yeah it's not that having a regular job is awesome, just that virtually anything is better than dedicating your life to violence.
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I think it may go deeper than that. I think it's that if one applied the same amount of effort and dedication that it takes to become a swordmaster to, say, becoming a master noodle maker then you would end up a much happier and fulfilled person. You would be able to make delicious meals and feed the hungry. You could support a family, and gain fame, recognition, and wealth if those things matter to you. Whereas becoming a master of the sword only makes you capable of killing people.
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