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I promise I'm not really like this with as big of a metaphorical bow as anyone can give.
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So which series is the Days of Our Lives of isekai/villainess stuff?
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Nov 24, 2020 00:30
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Clarste posted:Personally I find that Korean comics tend to do way more interesting villainess stuff since they're willing to stray much further from the premise without devolving into parody. Something I noticed is that the Korean isekai comics tend to do more with the "past life in a modern world" premise. Melissa in Beware is inspired to relentlessly own the male leads because she's had infuriating experiences with men being sexist in her past life, for example. Even for the stories I haven't liked as much, I never really thought "why is this isekai and not just a fantasy romance story again?"
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Nov 24, 2020 02:04
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Clarste posted:This isn't quite what you're talking about, but this made me think of Death is the Only Ending For the Villainess. Basically the main character is sucked into an otome game, except on the secret "Hard Mode" where you play as the villainess and everyone hates you by default, and it's easy to run into bad ends where you immediately piss them off and they kill you. A mode which she never actually managed to beat. Throw in the fact that in her original life she comes from a similarly abusive background, and basically she is super paranoid and instead of actively trying to improve her situation she just tiptoes around everyone trying to avoid pissing them off. Like there is a scene later in the story where she cuts off all ties with one of the male leads who owes her a favor and could theoretically save her from her situation, specifically because she cannot understand anyone's actions except through the lens of someone who might hurt her. I tried the first chapter of this but bounced off of it. The fact that the MC can't even speak of her own free will until the world decides she's hit an in-game choice makes it feel like she's got barely any agency as a protagonist. That she ends up just taking everyone's abuse also doesn't appeal to me.
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Nov 24, 2020 02:21
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I was enjoying that one until the MC bought a slave. Please stop doing this isekai writers. I’m begging you.
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Nov 24, 2020 02:34
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I'm not saying this gives them a pass, but she's not portrayed as a savior to the slave, and the story says early on that the slave's obedience to her is feigned and is his own way of surviving. The story makes attempts to draw parallel between how she used to bow and scrape to her adopted family to survive in the real world, and how she has to do the same thing in the isekai world, and how the slave is now also doing the same thing to her. So I feel it has some reason to exist in the story rather than just some horrible way of showing how "good" the MC is for "saving" a slave. The story is not very firm in establishing that their relationship is strictly for the sake of survival in nature, but it's not using it in a completely thoughtless manner like most isekais do, which granted is not some sort of gold standard. I'm still not sure how okay I am with how the author is handling it, but I think the story at least shows some awareness, and I find it more palatable because of that.
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Nov 24, 2020 03:32
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amigolupus posted:I tried the first chapter of this but bounced off of it. The fact that the MC can't even speak of her own free will until the world decides she's hit an in-game choice makes it feel like she's got barely any agency as a protagonist. That she ends up just taking everyone's abuse also doesn't appeal to me. The best part is when she snaps and stands up for herself and is mystified when people have their affection rates rise.
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Nov 24, 2020 04:59
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Jackard posted:Here's stuff I'm looking forward to: Oh cool, I'm already reading most of those too and just didn't jive with a couple, like isekai uncle and instant death. Neat, thanks for all the recommendations, I am also struggling with the high quality/low updates of Vengeful Cat and LVL 99 villainess.
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Nov 24, 2020 07:38
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Ooh, just read that Eris one linked above and it's pretty cool; it starts off fairly typically, but then becomes a detective story! It's all about the ghost of the villainess working with some noble girl who can see her in order to investigate various figures in the aristocracy and figure out who killed her.
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Nov 24, 2020 09:17
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Argue posted:Ooh, just read that Eris one linked above and it's pretty cool; it starts off fairly typically, but then becomes a detective story! It's all about the ghost of the villainess working with some noble girl who can see her in order to investigate various figures in the aristocracy and figure out who killed her. Oh, I totally got the wrong idea of it. I thought it was going to have her groundhog day back to the day she died but she'd be doing her best to keep her safe from mysterious figures trying to kill her again. Oh hey, S rank Daughter updated Is there a shortcut for url links? I know there is one for spoiler tags now. (ctrl+p) RareAcumen fucked around with this message at 09:36 on Nov 24, 2020 |
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Nov 24, 2020 09:27
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amigolupus posted:I tried the first chapter of this but bounced off of it. The fact that the MC can't even speak of her own free will until the world decides she's hit an in-game choice makes it feel like she's got barely any agency as a protagonist. That she ends up just taking everyone's abuse also doesn't appeal to me. The dialog choice restriction gets cleared up pretty quickly, but yeah, it's the opposite of a power fantasy. A powerlessness fantasy? The whole point is that she lacks agency and freedom and the overall feeling is very oppressive, but that just makes it more cathartic when she actually does do something, imo. Also, well, I gave it as a recommendation of a villainess in an abusive situation who is not magically good at escaping it. blizzardvizard posted:I'm not saying this gives them a pass, but she's not portrayed as a savior to the slave, and the story says early on that the slave's obedience to her is feigned and is his own way of surviving. The story makes attempts to draw parallel between how she used to bow and scrape to her adopted family to survive in the real world, and how she has to do the same thing in the isekai world, and how the slave is now also doing the same thing to her. So I feel it has some reason to exist in the story rather than just some horrible way of showing how "good" the MC is for "saving" a slave. The story is not very firm in establishing that their relationship is strictly for the sake of survival in nature, but it's not using it in a completely thoughtless manner like most isekais do, which granted is not some sort of gold standard. Yeah, her behavior is often compared to a slave by other people, so I was under the impression that it was a deliberate parallel. Although the story doesn't dwell on it very much because she almost immediately regrets her decision and starts avoiding him, not for any moral reasons but more because she realized that having another big strong man with a motive to kill her around maybe wasn't the best idea. Which is already a step up from the usual portrayal of isekai slaves as automatically devoted to their savior-owner: she's thinking of him a person in a rough situation who might lash out at her, not as someone she has any power or authority over. Clarste fucked around with this message at 09:55 on Nov 24, 2020 |
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Nov 24, 2020 09:52
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RareAcumen posted:Oh cool, I'm already reading most of those too and just didn't jive with a couple, like isekai uncle and instant death. Neat, thanks for all the recommendations, I am also struggling with the high quality/low updates of Vengeful Cat and LVL 99 villainess.
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Nov 24, 2020 11:52
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Jackard posted:Was lukewarm on Lvl 99 at first but I like it more now that she isn't surrounded by idiots Isekai world inhabitants are a superstitious and cowardly lot.
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Nov 24, 2020 12:02
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Argue posted:I just caught up with the one about the Duchess who revolutionizes tea and I think my favorite part is how 92 chapters into this world which is essentially Earth in all but name, they suddenly mention that lamps were invented by powerful wizards from the Tower of Masts and that these lamps are powered by mana--the first mention that magic even exists in this world--only for this factoid to never be brought up again, in favor of just giving us more tea. Actually it comes up a lot sooner than that, but long after it begins and it’s just as awkward - there’s mention of a magical forest full of monsters and a magical icy lake full of even worse monsters. Mrs. Collins suggested the lakeside to Chloe (via a maid) as an ideal place to picnic, hoping it would get her disfigured or worse. This last act proved to be her swan song, and yes it involves tea (specifically her tea-buddy knights, who intervene, tell her the truth about the lake, and they all go have tea some place safer. Yes, she has tea-buddy knights. (Not so much a spoiler as an endorsement.) It is not an exciting series, but it is enjoyable just for the ways that tea is employed as a solution to most problems. Edit: and yes, this and the mana-lamps are the only two mentions of anything remotely magical, and probably will not come up again. Literally Kermit fucked around with this message at 16:46 on Nov 24, 2020 |
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Nov 26, 2020 10:35
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I started reading, Actually, I was the real one: https://mangadex.org/title/55529/actually-i-was-the-real-one Quite fun, the MC is dumb in just the right way.
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Nov 26, 2020 14:57
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Why does that particular dad keep showing up in Korean comics?
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Nov 26, 2020 15:52
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Jackard posted:This is still early on but I'd like to see where it goes https://mangadex.org/title/48279/i-...will-dote-on-me I also like how this is starting.
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Nov 26, 2020 15:58
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Jackard posted:This is still early on but I'd like to see where it goes https://mangadex.org/title/48279/i-...will-dote-on-me Plea to Japanese writers: If you are writing a series that may some day be translated, please do not name a character "Prince Duke."
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Nov 26, 2020 23:55
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Bremen posted:Plea to Japanese writers: If you are writing a series that may some day be translated, please do not name a character "Prince Duke." However, please name them Duke Prince.
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Nov 27, 2020 00:03
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there is one godawful webnovel with a godawful translation i read where an early antagonist was named count monarch. and since it was terribly vague about politics, it was hard to figure out if he was a count or a monarch.
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Nov 27, 2020 01:26
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The best is when a translater will Englishify a name (like Simon changed from Qin Chen), and then each group does this differently, so you end up not knowing who the gently caress they are talking about, or who this "new" person is.
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Nov 27, 2020 02:46
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Well, in the case of Duke Prince, at least the next group to take over can put in a note that he's the Duke Formerly Known as Prince.
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Nov 27, 2020 03:18
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VictualSquid posted:I started reading, Actually, I was the real one: I appreciate it this so much, she just going 'f it' and living life in a more carefree method is just so wholesome to read.
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Nov 27, 2020 03:35
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Nov 27, 2020 03:41
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Jonsing for an isekai that has 4 chapters of normal life on earth with their friends and family and etc and then summer break hits and they just mysteriously disappear and them we get the main story. More Isekai stories like Space Jam, is what I think I'm getting at here. RareAcumen fucked around with this message at 04:02 on Nov 27, 2020 |
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Nov 27, 2020 03:57
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VictualSquid posted:I started reading, Actually, I was the real one. Quite fun, the MC is dumb in just the right way.
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Nov 27, 2020 04:33
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Jackard posted:Goddamn, I read a little further and everyone is just so loving stupid that they deserve whatever happens after losing their saint. How bad is it
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Nov 27, 2020 04:40
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If you make it through the first five chapters, it might get better, but I'm a bit afterwards and still pissed off
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Nov 27, 2020 04:55
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Jackard posted:If you make it through the first five chapters, it might get better, but I'm a bit afterwards and still pissed off Ok but does she get sweet revenge?
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Nov 27, 2020 04:57
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It's a bit plodding and while she does spend time planning for Cosette to arrive in her life she's spending a lot more time not being a stuffy prim and proper duchess.
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Nov 27, 2020 05:03
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RareAcumen posted:Jonsing for an isekai that has 4 chapters of normal life on earth with their friends and family and etc and then summer break hits and they just mysteriously disappear and them we get the main story. What is the record for number of chapters/episodes taking place on earth as far as isekai goes anyways? Seems like a chapter 1 or end of episode 1 kind of affair. quote:More Isekai stories like Space Jam, is what I think I'm getting at here.
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Nov 27, 2020 05:07
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It’s not really a thing that happens because issue 1 of your comic kinda has to sell what your comic is about.
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Nov 27, 2020 05:20
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Mors Rattus posted:It’s not really a thing that happens because issue 1 of your comic kinda has to sell what your comic is about.
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Nov 27, 2020 05:30
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VictualSquid posted:I started reading, Actually, I was the real one: I’m following this, but I’m twenty chapters in and the only character I like or even remember anything about is the protagonist. The supporting cast has completely failed to make an impression. Maybe I picked up too many series at once.
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gimme the GOD drat candy posted:there is one godawful webnovel with a godawful translation i read where an early antagonist was named count monarch. and since it was terribly vague about politics, it was hard to figure out if he was a count or a monarch. I have read some of that I THINK he is a count who is a direct relative of the royal family and thus a ROYAL count. this seperates him from the other nobles who form a counter-faction to the royal family. And there are if I remember magically powered mecha
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Nov 27, 2020 13:19
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AtomikKrab posted:I have read some of that I THINK Royal Count translated as Count Monarch is amazing, up there with translating deep (as in physical depth) as profound.
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Nov 27, 2020 13:23
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Mors Rattus posted:Royal Count translated as Count Monarch is amazing, up there with translating deep (as in physical depth) as profound. If you speak spanish, deep and profound use the same word 
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Nov 27, 2020 13:33
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Artificer posted:Ok but does she get sweet revenge? In the "the best revenge is living well" sense.
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VictualSquid posted:I started reading, Actually, I was the real one: I'm 12 chapters in and I don't know what exactly are the parts that Jackard disliked about it. The first 5 chapters were a recap on what happened the first cycle around and once you get out of that loop it's her washing her hands of living her life for the sole purpose of seeking her father's approval and working on the parts she didn't do a good job of last time. Like being a people person. It's been pretty heartwarming so far, she's trying to resign from her former position as a knight captain and everyone's like 'Wait what? Why, we love you, boss!' Because she's so serious all the time that she kinda killed the mood being their stone-faced superior all the time. So now she's all 'Oh, gently caress, people did like me, I just did a bad job of realizing that'
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