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MariusLecter posted:People talk about Galileo being persecuted by the Church but he got poo poo from other scientists too that wasn't based on religious objections. Can’t help but think Galileo really got in trouble for stuff like writing a book where the geocentric model was argued by a stand in of the pope and naming him dipshit
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MariusLecter posted:People talk about Galileo being persecuted by the Church but he got poo poo from other scientists too that wasn't based on religious objections. Yeah I can't help but feel that a lot of Galileo's problems came about because he was just a massively annoying rear end in a top hat who no one liked. Which makes it especially funny when every modern idiot who has their dumb pet theories rejected inevitably describe themselves as a "modern Galileo". 
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Nov 26, 2020 02:26
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Memento posted:You're right, there was massive demand for catholic missions all over the Americas in the 15th century Yeah, but not until the very end of the century.
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Nov 26, 2020 05:52
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christmas boots posted:Can’t help but think Galileo really got in trouble for stuff like writing a book where the geocentric model was argued by a stand in of the pope and naming him dipshit Literally calling him Simpliccio the Fool Also the whole "and yet it moves" is a myth
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Nov 26, 2020 05:55
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bony tony posted:Literally calling him Simpliccio the Fool Goofy Galilei said it so it's TRUE.
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Nov 26, 2020 05:58
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christmas boots posted:Can’t help but think Galileo really got in trouble for stuff like writing a book where the geocentric model was argued by a stand in of the pope and naming him dipshit The best way to convince people I am right is to call them dipshit the stupid and then they can't help but love me.
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Nov 26, 2020 09:41
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you, an idiot dipshit loser: the sun goes around hte earth me, a genious smartyman: actually its the opposite,  was galileo the first shitposter?
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Nov 26, 2020 09:55
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Ignoracio the Abderite posted:you, an idiot dipshit loser: the sun goes around hte earth Martialis predated Galileo by a lot.
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Nov 26, 2020 10:01
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Carthag Tuek posted:you, an idiot dipshit loser: the sun goes around hte earth 
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Nov 26, 2020 10:07
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shitposting through the ages, an aspiration for all mankind
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Nov 26, 2020 10:16
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Socrates started philosophical shitposting, but Diogenes perfected it.
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Nov 26, 2020 12:10
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Carthag Tuek posted:you, an idiot dipshit loser: the sun goes around hte earth His opponents were idiots, and Galileo was right (in a relative sense) I'm not about to defend the 17th-century Church who deserved a Thirty Years' Fart in their faces Goonlileo did nothing wrong
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Nov 26, 2020 13:58
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Captain Hygiene posted:I mean if anywhere is the exception to that it's probably Antarctica. Gotta convert all those paguins.
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Nov 26, 2020 15:51
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bony tony posted:Socrates started philosophical shitposting, but Diogenes perfected it. goons.txt could easily be attributed to diogenes if you sanitized modern tech out of it
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Nov 26, 2020 16:21
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Aphrodite posted:Gotta convert all those paguins.
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MariusLecter posted:People talk about Galileo being persecuted by the Church but he got poo poo from other scientists too that wasn't based on religious objections. Ignaz Semmelweis reduced instances of puerperal fever to a level almost equal to modern hospitals around two centuries ago by having everyone in his natal hospital wash their hands properly. Unfortunately, although he knew and could prove people died less in his hospital, he had no idea why, because germ theory hadn’t been invented yet. This failure of intellectual rigour caused the mainstream medical profession of the day to completely ignore his work, which allegedly was the cause of his mental breakdown and subsequent death in a mental hospital. (I recalled all this because it cropped up in my research into Céline’s ties to Nazism; it transpired that his doctoral thesis was on Semmelweis, who turned out to be a far more interesting person than Céline).
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Torquemada posted:Ignaz Semmelweis reduced instances of puerperal fever to a level almost equal to modern hospitals around two centuries ago by having everyone in his natal hospital wash their hands properly. Unfortunately, although he knew and could prove people died less in his hospital, he had no idea why, because germ theory hadn’t been invented yet. This failure of intellectual rigour caused the mainstream medical profession of the day to completely ignore his work, which allegedly was the cause of his mental breakdown and subsequent death in a mental hospital. Here's the Wikipedia article for Semmelweis, should anybody else be curious, because I looked him up after reading your post and am so distressed over the way this person's life panned out. Jesus. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ignaz_Semmelweis
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LITERALLY A BIRD posted:Here's the Wikipedia article for Semmelweis, should anybody else be curious, because I looked him up after reading your post and am so distressed over the way this person's life panned out. Jesus. It’s like one of those Cassandra-type movies where the hero knows exactly what’s going to happen but can’t convince anyone of the incoming doom. 
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Nov 26, 2020 20:55
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bony tony posted:Literally calling him Simpliccio the Fool Yeah but popes are often morons, and you should be able to call them morons without getting arrested.
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Nov 26, 2020 21:46
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Torquemada posted:It’s like one of those Cassandra-type movies where the hero knows exactly what’s going to happen but can’t convince anyone of the incoming doom. It's funny you mention that because Semmelweis is mentioned by Brad Pitt during an insane rant about germs in the movie 12 Monkeys. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mv0ztidz_I8
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Nov 27, 2020 02:15
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Such a good loving movie. I need to watch that again.
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Nov 27, 2020 02:26
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LITERALLY A BIRD posted:Here's the Wikipedia article for Semmelweis, should anybody else be curious, because I looked him up after reading your post and am so distressed over the way this person's life panned out. Jesus. that's basically a myth, in the same way that columbus discovering the earth was round is a myth - in both cases these are people who believed something that was obviously false, who in have been mythologized and assigned modern beliefs instead of the ones the actually held, then treated as matyrs. For instance, Semmelweiss' TRUE belief was specifically 'childbed fever is ONLY caused by pieces of corpses ('cadaverous particles') getting into women - so doctors who do dissections of cadavers spread it'. To which the medical establishment sensibly responded 'so why do we also see this disease in hospitals that don't do dissections, then?' Semmelweis certainly didn't believe it was a contagious disease - he's on record saying it definitely isn't! semmelweis posted:Childbed fever is not a contagious disease. A contagious disease is one that produces the contagion by which the disease is spread. This contagion brings about only the same disease in other individuals. . . .Smallpox causes only smallpox and no other disease. . . . Childbed fever is different” People asked him for more data (since childbed fever was a disease that was well known to come in outbreaks, and he could have gotten lucky). He didn't publish any additional data for FOURTEEN YEARS - and in the meantime, even in his handwashing ward there was another outbreak of childbed fever. Having had his 'no corpse hands = no fever' theory disproven, he revised his theory from 'cadaverous particles' being 'pieces of corpses', to 'things that can be produced inside living people as well', and blamed a lady on the same floor who had uterine cancer (given his lack of tact, probably with some comment like 'your poison womb is making the ICU too crowded'). Note that he wasn't even the first person to say 'hey maybe bad stuff on people's hands causes childbed fever', James Young Simpson published that theory ten years earlier - but he didn't say 'oh and that bad stuff is all corpse pieces and is the only way you get it' - making Semmelweis both late and wrong.
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christmas boots posted:Can’t help but think Galileo really got in trouble for stuff like writing a book where the geocentric model was argued by a stand in of the pope and naming him dipshit This is like the regressives defending MacArthur High School and the Irvine police department because actually, Ahmed’s clock wasn’t very cool and it looked like an idiot’s conception of a bomb So what if he was baiting them? If they took the bait, that’s on them.
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TK-42-1 posted:Such a good loving movie. I need to watch that again.
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MariusLecter posted:People talk about Galileo being persecuted by the Church but he got poo poo from other scientists too that wasn't based on religious objections. My favorite example of galileo being thoroughly awful as a scientist: Kepler's model was already well liked at that point, but Galileo hated it because OBVIOUSLY the idea that the moon could somehow "control the tides" was occult nonsense. And besides, Galileo KNEW he had a perfectly good model of the tides sloshing around, which accurately gives them a 24 hour cycle *is told by local sailors that No, the tides are on a 12 hour cycle* which was a PERFECTLY good model of a 24 hour cycle and I trust my theory more than the 'observations' of some dumbass sailors. Keep in mind that the 'formal heresy' the church tried him for is based on the Aristotlean theory of forms; he was considered heretical because he said his particular poo poo had scriptural support (when a lot of it was obviously incorrect), and the logic was essentially 'Galileo claims some bullshit that's wrong' -> 'Galileo says scripture says his bullshit is correct' -> 'Galileo is saying scripture is making false claims' -> 'Scripture is true, so an interpretation that is obviously false is heretical'. But that's the on paper, the real reason that the pope told Galileo, 'hey, buddy, you want to write a compare/contrast for each theory giving the pros and cons of each? Sure, go ahead, just include my opinion that all that really matters is whether your mathematical theory has predictive power.' And then Galileo publishes his paper and it's (A) obviously dishonest in favor of his own personal biases (to the point where he says 'if you do this parallax experiment it will prove me right', when he had actually done that experiment and gotten the opposite result), and more importantly (B) takes the pope's request and basically goes  And it turns out that publicly spitting in the face of your biggest patron in cutthroat medieval Italian politics is a bad idea. Tunicate has a new favorite as of 04:18 on Nov 27, 2020 |
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Platystemon posted:This is like the regressives defending MacArthur High School and the Irvine police department because actually, Ahmed’s clock wasn’t very cool and it looked like an idiot’s conception of a bomb Noting that Gaileo was an unlikable rear end in a top hat that burned all his bridges doesn't mean that the Church was correct, just that it shouldn't be surprising that he got in trouble for it. It's also not at all like the racial profiling of a 14 year old boy. bony tony posted:Socrates started philosophical shitposting, but Diogenes perfected it. I wasn't too familiar with Diogenes before today but lmao at this barrel-dwelling public masturbater who could walk up to you and deliver a burn so harsh people remember it for millennia. quote:Plato was discoursing on his theory of ideas and, pointing to the cups on the table before him, said while there are many cups in the world, there is only one `idea' of a cup, and this cupness precedes the existence of all particular cups. And then he takes a big poo poo before leaving
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Diogenes was eating bread and lentils for supper. He was seen by the Aristippus, who lived comfortably by flattering the king. Said Aristippus, “If you would learn to be subservient to the king you would not have to live on lentils.” Said Diogenes, “Learn to live on lentils and you will not have to be subservient to the king.” christmas boots posted:It's also not at all like the racial profiling of a 14 year old boy. It is possible to discuss the structural similarities of events without drawing moral equivalence between parties or outcomes of those events.
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Nov 27, 2020 05:23
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I feel like Diogenes and the lentils is one of history's stealthiest fart jokes
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Nov 27, 2020 05:25
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Oh man diogenes would have loved fart jokes
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Nov 27, 2020 05:43
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Diogenes was wild, like a dog. Behold a man of great hits. quote:Being asked where in Greece he saw good men, he replied, “Good men nowhere, but good boys at Sparta.” I lack the context to know if this is putting down the Spartans as mere boys or if it’s reference to pederasty.
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The reason I hated Brussels sprouts as a kid but like them as an adult isn't because of my more sophisticated adult palette. It's because, back in the 90s, a Dutch scientist identified the chemical compounds that made them taste and smell like hot garbage, found a few varieties that didn't produce them, and managed to cross-breed a new better tasting variety.
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Nov 27, 2020 06:14
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I've never had the bad ones and I hope not to because they're awesome. But even so people tended to just boil them until they were sulfur balls and that seems like it could ruin anything.
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AKA Pseudonym posted:The reason I hated Brussels sprouts as a kid but like them as an adult isn't because of my more sophisticated adult palette. It's because, back in the 90s, a Dutch scientist identified the chemical compounds that made them taste and smell like hot garbage, found a few varieties that didn't produce them, and managed to cross-breed a new better tasting variety. I loathed brussels sprouts as a kid, couldn't even bear the smell off them. I tried some again a couple of years back, basically a tasting menu which had them as a component in a dish, and nope, still loathe them. Just not as intensely. They are still bad.
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Gotta try seasoning and roasting them, it's a completely different food than the sad-sack boiled version that made me think I fundamentally hated them.
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I think these had been roasted with bacon and it was in a nice restaurant and I still hated them. They're pretty much the only food I refuse to eat.
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Captain Hygiene posted:Gotta try seasoning and roasting them, it's a completely different food than the sad-sack boiled version that made me think I fundamentally hated them. Yeah you’ve got to roast the hell out of them. If they’re not black around the edges, they’re not done yet.
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Captain Hygiene posted:Gotta try seasoning and roasting them, it's a completely different food than the sad-sack boiled version that made me think I fundamentally hated them. I saw someone on a cooking youtube video cut them in half, salt and pepper them, put them cut-side down on a baking tray and then laying bacon strips over the top and baking the whole lot until the bacon was crunchy and the sprouts were fried in bacon fat. That seems like a "greens in name only" kind of thing but, gently caress it, why the hell not.
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quote:Plato allowed himself a few moments to collect his thoughts, but Diogenes reached over and, tapping Plato's head with his finger, said "I think you will find here is the `emptiness'."
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Huh, yeah it appears that phren (the location of thought/contemplation) was in the torso: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phren Could be translator's discretion, though
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