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im not underselling the xinjiang stuff but i think describing what ICE is doing at the border as somehow much tamer is uhhh pretty bad, id avoid that if i were you forced sterilization, rape, child separation, and torture is just the stuff we KNOW about
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Nov 26, 2020 20:42
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hey hey now it wasn't a POLICY of forced sterilization it was just doctors doing a plethora of unnecessary surgeries on people they correctly figured no one in power gave a poo poo about in order to enrich themselves.
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Nov 26, 2020 21:14
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The US is still worse because "America's treatment of muslims" includes the millions of muslims killed, maimed, tortured, and displaced by the US government across the world
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Nov 26, 2020 21:19
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Benagain posted:hey 
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Nov 26, 2020 21:44
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Varinn posted:im not underselling the xinjiang stuff but i think describing what ICE is doing at the border as somehow much tamer is uhhh pretty bad, id avoid that if i were you Everything being done in America is being done in Xinjiang in a far greater scale.
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Nov 26, 2020 21:47
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punk rebel ecks posted:Everything being done in America is being done in Xinjiang in a far greater scale. I wish.
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Nov 26, 2020 21:50
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punk rebel ecks posted:China literally has concentration camps for their Muslims that put America's treatment of Muslims to shame and is a wetdream to ICE workers. I don't think we can trust the information we have enough to make this quantitative judgement.
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Nov 26, 2020 21:58
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Look its entirely possible that there is a huge humanitarian crisis in an area as large a Xinjiang but it just happens that 99% of the info we get from our news sources is overplayed. Concentration camps end up being apartment complexes or schools, torn down mosques end up being just a gate or something and the rest of the compound got overhauled, hammers and sickles are stars and crescents. And instead of having our spooks try to figure out whats happening Trump has had them looking for covid mass graves to point at them and say "See we arent THAT bad look at chyna!"
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Nov 26, 2020 22:01
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punk rebel ecks posted:Everything being done in America is being done in Xinjiang in a far greater scale. That makes sense. Quantity has a quality all its own.
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Nov 26, 2020 22:19
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punk rebel ecks posted:Everything being done in America is being done in Xinjiang in a far greater scale. extremely doubtful
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Nov 26, 2020 22:25
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punk rebel ecks posted:Everything being done in America is being done in Xinjiang in a far greater scale. Citation needed
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Nov 26, 2020 23:04
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punk rebel ecks posted:Everything being done in America is being done in Xinjiang in a far greater scale. again you are seriously underestimating the scale of what ICE is doing, dude. you can care about whats happening in china without downplaying americas concentration camps, jesus
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Nov 26, 2020 23:16
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Chomskyan posted:The US is still worse because "America's treatment of muslims" includes the millions of muslims killed, maimed, tortured, and displaced by the US government across the world the US is always worse and always has been, that is the true meaning of thanksgiving
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Nov 26, 2020 23:35
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punk rebel ecks posted:Everything being done in America is being done in Xinjiang in a far greater scale. 
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Nov 27, 2020 00:41
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Why do the Philippine maoists care what red guards think?
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Nov 27, 2020 00:53
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punk rebel ecks posted:China literally has concentration camps for their Muslims that put America's treatment of Muslims to shame and is a wetdream to ICE workers. my reference was to the muslims we keep bombing in drone strikes for no reason to no effect not the ones physically inside the united states
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Nov 27, 2020 01:08
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mila kunis posted:south korea seems pretty hosed up. fuckin lava jatos everywhere this is a dumb thing to act like is an exclusive south korea problem because american prosecutors behave in almost the exact same way and are treated as heroes for doing so
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Nov 27, 2020 01:45
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Wrong thread
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Nov 27, 2020 01:51
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Eifert Posting posted:Wrong thread always has been
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Nov 27, 2020 02:13
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https://twitter.com/MattWatchGundam/status/1331425139095973889 edit account not tweet Some Guy TT has issued a correction as of 04:02 on Nov 27, 2020 |
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Nov 27, 2020 03:57
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Not So Fast posted:ACAB (unless they're socialists then it's fine) Yes. Some Guy TT posted:https://twitter.com/MattWatchGundam/status/1331425139095973889 Lol. Crowsbeak has issued a correction as of 04:47 on Nov 27, 2020 |
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Nov 27, 2020 04:44
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https://twitter.com/IOL/status/1332230858128896001?s=19 https://youtu.be/-BZispXlAoM stephenthinkpad has issued a correction as of 09:12 on Nov 27, 2020 |
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Nov 27, 2020 09:07
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Yeah, it seems like Tsai Ing-Wen's approval rating has taken a serious hit over the issue. It makes sense: the Taiwanese pork industry is huge, it has been losing steam in last couple of years, and US imports are almost certainly going to undercut it.
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Nov 27, 2020 10:53
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https://businessmirror.com.ph/2018/04/09/meat-producers-importers-start-lobby-process-for-mdm-tariff/ That calls to mind a local issue from 2018 where Washington DC / the WTO was lobbying the Duterte administration to permanently establish certain pork/meat tariff rates at 5%, rather than allow an agreement to lapse which would set it to 40%. That, combined with the story from earlier this year about how meat producers in the US were forcing employees to work through the pandemic so they could sell more meat to China, makes me think about how powerful that sector is in terms of political lobbying.
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Nov 27, 2020 11:06
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Also the Tyson managers were placing bet on how many meat cutting employees would be infected with Corona. Plus the US sourced pig heads were tested with Corona by China. Stories are just keep getting better/worse.
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Nov 27, 2020 13:04
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https://twitter.com/bill_hayton/status/1332289656269008901
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Nov 27, 2020 17:28
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Not So Fast posted:ACAB (unless they're socialists then it's fine) for now yes. acab will be universal when the entire world is socialist and the workers are organizing a fight against bureaucratization and militate for renewed soviet power and comprehensive education to combat the unjust stratification between mental and physical labor we will not live to see this world
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Nov 27, 2020 18:34
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Nov 28, 2020 01:42
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBK5aKOr2Fw
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Nov 28, 2020 01:47
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6WR7_wma9ao
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Nov 28, 2020 16:07
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Continuity NIP posted:Why do the Philippine maoists care what red guards think? Presumably because in the last couple of years they became the main English language representatives of the Latin American maoist current and consequently wield outsized international influence in much the same way as Avakian's RCP used to in the RIM. CPP are interpreting Tribune's open letter to represent the positions of the current in general, otherwise there would be no basis to talk about a "concerted effort to mount attacks". I assume it's ultimately about western donors and anticipation that e.g. Brazil might make some moves soon that could allow western fledgling groups to ride on the prestige to direct attention away from the Philippines. There's a whole pseudo-international full of Gonzalo-style fervor that's positioned to win messaging victories if it gets a "flagship" event to acquire relevance in the eyes of the public.
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Nov 28, 2020 17:50
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From my understanding Gonzalo was more interested in starting a cult than leading a revolution
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Nov 28, 2020 18:28
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Top City Homo posted:From my understanding Gonzalo was more interested in starting a cult than leading a revolution Saying that someone wants to start a cult evokes the idea of a person who wants to build an isolated group that serves them and makes them feel big. Gonzalo was interested in starting a cult the same way as Jesus Christ was interested in starting a cult, the cult was the revolution and it was supposed to spread like wildfire on its own. The qualities that allowed it to spread on its own are the reason why the ”cult” has been rising despite its prophet not having been heard from in decades and the apostles either having lost faith or in hiding. AFAIK only the PKK has managed a similar feat in recent memory, and the Syrian Civil War allowed it to rise again.
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Nov 28, 2020 18:40
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uncop posted:Saying that someone wants to start a cult evokes the idea of a person who wants to build an isolated group that serves them and makes them feel big. Gonzalo was interested in starting a cult the same way as Jesus Christ was interested in starting a cult, the cult was the revolution and it was supposed to spread like wildfire on its own. The qualities that allowed it to spread on its own are the reason why the ”cult” has been rising despite its prophet not having been heard from in decades and the apostles either having lost faith or in hiding. AFAIK only the PKK has managed a similar feat in recent memory, and the Syrian Civil War allowed it to rise again. my only significant source on Gonzalo was a badempenada video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OHqJDs3OuhQ is it revisionist trash 
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Nov 28, 2020 18:43
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uncop posted:Saying that someone wants to start a cult evokes the idea of a person who wants to build an isolated group that serves them and makes them feel big. Gonzalo was interested in starting a cult the same way as Jesus Christ was interested in starting a cult, the cult was the revolution and it was supposed to spread like wildfire on its own. The qualities that allowed it to spread on its own are the reason why the ”cult” has been rising despite its prophet not having been heard from in decades and the apostles either having lost faith or in hiding. AFAIK only the PKK has managed a similar feat in recent memory, and the Syrian Civil War allowed it to rise again.
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Nov 28, 2020 19:01
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Socialism isn't about following an individual is a thing that even socialists seem to forget.
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Nov 28, 2020 19:49
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https://twitter.com/china_takes/status/1332445287076438017/photo/1
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Nov 28, 2020 21:41
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Rent-A-Cop posted:"It's not a cult and here's why my man is just like Jesus" is a take. Jesus Christ was a literal cult leader who built the biggest-ego cult of personality that it's possible to build. But the Jesus cult wasn't structured like some kinda Jim Jones thing where everything exists to serve Great Leader and once he's gone, it's done: it spread on its own until it became distasteful to call it a cult. I said Gonzalo's aspiration was to produce a belief system that would spread around the world even after his death and immortalize him much the same way as happened to Jesus. I was explaining CPP's decision to take their rivals seriously rather than dismiss them out of hand. The point is that CPP are not idiots mistaking some larpers imitating the remnants of a dead cult for a potential challenger. Top City Homo posted:my only significant source on Gonzalo was a badempenada video The premise is like, what if a trot made a vid about Stalin era CPSU with Conquest and Solzhenitsyn as the main sources. If someone new to the topic watched such a video, they'd just be full of amazement about how such a combination of incompetence, opportunism, misguided idealism and casual cruelty could have survived its own citizens, let alone WW2. And that's the vibe I get from everyone advertising that video, so I assume I want to remain blissfully ignorant of the content. uncop has issued a correction as of 23:39 on Nov 28, 2020 |
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Nov 28, 2020 21:46
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Lostconfused posted:Socialism isn't about following an individual is a thing that even socialists seem to forget. Humans have an easier time attaching themselves to personalities rather than abstract concepts. The personality becomes a symbolic representation of the ideology the person espouses. Consider the relationship between trump and his followers. The idealized trump of garrison bears almost no resemblance to the actual human being. Trump's merely a vessel for the individuals ideology. This is why personality cults are so common in political movements. To an extent they're inevitable.
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Nov 29, 2020 19:03
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uncop posted:Jesus Christ was a literal cult leader who built the biggest-ego cult of personality that it's possible to build. But the Jesus cult wasn't structured like some kinda Jim Jones thing where everything exists to serve Great Leader and once he's gone, it's done: it spread on its own until it became distasteful to call it a cult. I said Gonzalo's aspiration was to produce a belief system that would spread around the world even after his death and immortalize him much the same way as happened to Jesus. I mean I support ML-M movements Naxalites, PCP etc. I just don't know much about the gonzalites. What's wrong with the sources? basically, what he tells is a tale of a doctrinaire movement that couldn't get along with other communist movements and after liberating villages from a brutal comprador government mercenary death squad and treated as liberators, enacted a cult like indoctrination campaign and played favorites in local family property disputes that led to unjust killings of villagers. At some point it became so bad that the villagers invited the mercenary death squads back. If you have other information please share it. In any case, I would recommend watching the video just so you understand the content.
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Nov 29, 2020 19:30
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