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So as far as CPUs, the conventional wisdom lately seems to favor AMD for price/performance but does that change at all when trying to consider cooling in a particularly squished SFF case? It seems like I see a lot more intel builds on the SFF reddit, but maybe that's just my random sampling. My usage is gonna be pretty moderate as I'd just stream from my desktop for anything intense. Probably my most intense cpu usage I'd rather do local would be Civ6.
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Speaking of AMD CPU's. Hot drat I can't find a 5800x anywhere. I guess the new GPU's aren't the only thing that's hard to come by.
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FuzzySlippers posted:So as far as CPUs, the conventional wisdom lately seems to favor AMD for price/performance but does that change at all when trying to consider cooling in a particularly squished SFF case? It seems like I see a lot more intel builds on the SFF reddit, but maybe that's just my random sampling. My usage is gonna be pretty moderate as I'd just stream from my desktop for anything intense. Probably my most intense cpu usage I'd rather do local would be Civ6. You see a lot of SFF Intel builds because Intel CPUs, up until Zen3, were still notably better for gaming than AMD was, and a ton of SFF builds are made by gamers. Cooling, if anything, favors Zen3 even more: you get excellent performance at stock / very mild overclocks while staying within very reasonable power profiles. Intel chips right now often need to overclock into the 200W+ range to be competitive. One thing that's true is that there are more SFF-compatible Intel-style coolers than there are AMD, but most of the big-name ones (Noctura, etc) have AM4 mounting brackets, so it's not a big issue. Also some mITX AM4 boards actually use Intel 115x mounts specifically to expand cooler selection, so be sure to check on what you're getting there to make everything match up. Depending on how much you value FPS on Civ6 and the like, you might want to check out what prices you can find Ryzen 3600/3700's for: a 5600X is a fantastic chip, but at $300 might be a little overkill if all you want to do is light gaming for the most part.
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Nov 25, 2020 02:36
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Romes128 posted:Speaking of AMD CPU's. Hot drat I can't find a 5800x anywhere. I guess the new GPU's aren't the only thing that's hard to come by. 5800X's were always destined to be very hard to get: they require a "perfect" CCX complex to make, vs the 5600/5900X which utilize "imperfect" 6-of-8 core CCX's, and so are enormously easier to make.
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Nov 25, 2020 02:37
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I don't know much about electrical, how terrible would something like  this be to make my SFF ugly imac project (low GPU powered) one electrical plug? DrDork posted:You see a lot of SFF Intel builds because Intel CPUs, up until Zen3, were still notably better for gaming than AMD was, and a ton of SFF builds are made by gamers. Seems like 3600-5600x is usually a < $50 difference though the 5600x is sold out everywhere. Feels worth getting the 5600x whenever its in stock unless sales this week bring the difference to more like $100. I'm guessing this is just covid or is there really an insane surge of people building computers?
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Nov 25, 2020 03:04
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FuzzySlippers posted:I'm guessing this is just covid or is there really an insane surge of people building computers? Same difference. AMD has limited production capacity, and a ton of people want those chips, for various reasons. They'll be a bit annoying to get for a while, I'd think.
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buglord posted:Why this board and not a regular consumer grade board? The only benefit I see are 4 ram slots vs 2. (And the extra credit benefit of looking like a plain ol pc component instead of some goofy branded gaming device) It's also a lot more expensive. Why not just get 2 denser ram sticks instead? OK so a bunch of reasons... 1) 4 ram slots instead of two makes it easier to hit 64GB+ ram. For work I run a lot of VMs which eat up ram much faster than CPU, and for gaming I play a game which I'm pretty sure is going to benefit from a 32gb ramdisk. 2) My CPU cooler (Alpenfohn Black Ridge) is the most ill-fitting SFF cooler on the market and running it with a 120mm fan on the underside requires VLP desktop ram, so in this case I might be able to just populate the two slots in back if I run into issues with fit. 3) I am running this VR backpack from some ebike batteries I have. Each battery is 36v and has 550 watt hours, and they can be hot-swapped, so I can have some charging while I use one. In any event, I am first using a 36v to 12v 600w converter which runs at 96% efficiency: https://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Murata-Power-Solutions/DSQ0150V2NBC?qs=qSfuJ%252Bfl%2Fd7XgGaHBT7aNg%3D%3D On a normal 24-pin ATX motherboard, I then have to add an additional Pico PSU like the G-Unique Archdaemon (fantastic product btw) to take that 12v and step it down to the 5v and 3.3v rail. This motherboard does so itself, which saves me from having to buy one of those and introduce more inefficiency, volume, and another possible point of failure (as much as I like that PSU it's not free). 4) Subtle, but unlike all the other x570 ITX boards, this doesn't have an active fan cooler. The case is gonna be kinda open-air so I think the turbulence from that CPU fan should be enough to shed heat from the chipset fins. 5) Last but not least, the expensive part isn't a factor because I work in IT and can expense it for myself since I do all my work on it. Much easier to convince the finance department when the receipt says "server motherboard" and not "gaming motherboard". DrDork posted:5800X's were always destined to be very hard to get: they require a "perfect" CCX complex to make, vs the 5600/5900X which utilize "imperfect" 6-of-8 core CCX's, and so are enormously easier to make. A goon posted this one in the AMD thread, it has shown some in stock for hours now, I'm expecting to get my order canceled or back-ordered but who knows. Maybe no one was checking this site: https://www.antonline.com/AMD/Computers/Electronic_Components/Microprocessors/1411790
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As a bonus here's some ITX porn of my current PC: Skyreach S4M Classic, mounted on a monitor arm, G-Unique PSU going to a Meanwell HEP-12-600 power brick under the desk, relidded 8700k with Cryorig C7 Copper HSF, and I figured out that Precision X1 can turn the 3080 V-shaped light to red so it matches the rest of the board at night. The new GPU was actually causing the system to pull over 480w and tripping the power supply overcurrent shutdown, but it turned out the 3080 that I got is a particularly good undervolter so I shaved over 100w from it by going down to to 775mv at 1800mhz.
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Nov 25, 2020 03:47
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Zero VGS posted:OK so a bunch of reasons... Legit curious to see how it all turns out. Not clear on your recent post history (and also I’m on mobile) but what case are you using for this? I’ve been wanting to do a backpack PC myself for a while now. My SG13 fits into my college backpack with room to spare for a KB/M & required cables, but then I’d need some sort of ultra portable monitor to also fit in said backpack. I know those exist, but the quality ones cost as much as my 27” 1440p 144hz Gsync monitor. That and GPUs are trending towards the “wrong” size for me.
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Nov 25, 2020 04:18
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Zero VGS posted:A goon posted this one in the AMD thread, it has shown some in stock for hours now, I'm expecting to get my order canceled or back-ordered but who knows. Maybe no one was checking this site: I don't even want this but I went ahead and ordered one...
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buglord posted:Legit curious to see how it all turns out. Not clear on your recent post history (and also I’m on mobile) but what case are you using for this? For a case I plan to do something really simple, sort of like one of these acrylic test benches:   Except that I'm going to have both a top and a bottom window so it's shielded from impact, and I'm laying the GPU flat instead of it standing up like in that picture. To mount the GPU I'm thinking I'll just mold some Sugru (moldable silicone) to all the corners of the RTX 3080 and just bolt the top and bottom acrylic together tight enough that the 3080 is sandwiched in there. That way the silicone is allowing an air gap, and giving some shock absorption. For some extra security, the RTX 3080 does have some unused bolts for a support bracket (meant for pre-built PC makers) on the side opposite the IO, so I could invent some kind of frame for it. edit: Found some childproofing corner guards that would be perfect for that: https://www.amazon.com/COZILIFE-Corner-Protector-Pack-Custom-Made/dp/B07DGL68C3 Then I have to mount it to a camping backpack frame but it should be relatively simple from there. It's cheapest if I buy the pre-made acyllic from Amazon but I guess if I take the time I could draw up something precise to what I'm doing and laser-cut it with some slots for straps to lash it to a backpack with tie-down straps. Someone else did a VR backpack long before me and had it work out pretty well: https://randomfoo.net/2016/05/30/diy-backpack-vr-system With regards to ultra-portable monitors, they have 4K IPS that are close to an ipad in form factor, so that seems decent for $180: https://www.amazon.com/JOHNWILL-Portable-Monitor-Raspberry-Computer/dp/B081H4PV8X I might get something like that for when VR + Virtual Desktop fails to auto-launch, or crashes. Zero VGS fucked around with this message at 05:59 on Nov 25, 2020 |
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Nov 25, 2020 05:45
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FuzzySlippers posted:So as far as CPUs, the conventional wisdom lately seems to favor AMD for price/performance but does that change at all when trying to consider cooling in a particularly squished SFF case? It seems like I see a lot more intel builds on the SFF reddit, but maybe that's just my random sampling. My usage is gonna be pretty moderate as I'd just stream from my desktop for anything intense. Probably my most intense cpu usage I'd rather do local would be Civ6. No reason to favour Intel, AMD is ahead in power efficiency right now
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If you’re aircooling an SFF PC there’s no reason to get anything other than the 65W TDP AMD parts — nothing else can match the per watt efficiency.
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Nov 25, 2020 13:40
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Antonline sent me a pre-shipping notice... so that’s something.
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Nov 25, 2020 18:16
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My SF750 from CCL was meant to arrive today, still shows as processing. 🙃
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Nov 25, 2020 23:47
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Yep I'm all in on either an AMD 3600 or 5600 based on sales/availability. Like AMD cpus I am also ignorant of AMD gpus. My thinking on GPU for project lovely imac is a middle grade card so I was thinking smaller/itx/lower power 1060 or 2060 based on sales. Are there similar AMD cards for a smaller build?
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Nov 26, 2020 06:01
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FuzzySlippers posted:Yep I'm all in on either an AMD 3600 or 5600 based on sales/availability. Like AMD cpus I am also ignorant of AMD gpus. My thinking on GPU for project lovely imac is a middle grade card so I was thinking smaller/itx/lower power 1060 or 2060 based on sales. Are there similar AMD cards for a smaller build? RX5600 XT would be the closest you get to a 2060.
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Nov 26, 2020 09:04
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CCL order cancelled because there was, in fact, no stock. Never gonna get this power supply. Scan slipped to December 22nd, another store is saying 21st of January, god drat. ijyt fucked around with this message at 20:37 on Nov 26, 2020 |
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Nov 26, 2020 18:02
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wow it's crazy with computer hardware right now. I'm not even buying deep discount black friday stuff but I've had 4 things go out of stock before I could checkout. One of which was the amd 3600 cpu which wasn't on sale at all
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Nov 27, 2020 11:11
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If anyone needs a silverstone 800w sfx-L I'd be happy to sell it for what I paid. My sf600 seems to handle the 3900x/3080 I built with zero issues.
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Nov 27, 2020 11:46
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ijyt posted:Scan slipped to December 22nd, another store is saying 21st of January, god drat. loving hell. I'm legit considering cancelling my scan order for a NR200P/SF750, and the 5900X one. Got to love paying money up front when the dates keep slipping
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Nov 27, 2020 11:52
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nerdrum posted:If anyone needs a silverstone 800w sfx-L I'd be happy to sell it for what I paid. My sf600 seems to handle the 3900x/3080 I built with zero issues. I might honestly just go with the SF600, assuming Scan actually ships the NR200 next week. I’d be running: 5900X, 3080 FE, 1x NVME, 2x SSD, 1x HDD.
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I'm also collating the components for my build and wanted to order everything in one go for the ease of returns reason but realised that half of the poo poo I want is in high demand (apart from the obvious 5600x and the 3080) so have similarly been grabbing things from whatever shops I can. I had an SF750 on my list but it's seemingly out of stock everywhere that ships to me in the EU and some websites are saying they won't get more stock until next year, so I went for the SF600 I originally wanted which will be perfectly fine for a 5600x and a 3080. Got a good black Friday deal on the RAM and storage, my mobo and Fuma 2 are coming with the PSU sometime next week, I luckily secured the 3080 FE at the beginning of the month and I've had the monitor and case a while. Just f5ing on that fuckin 5600x now, I've had a few opportunities but I refuse to pay €380 at the store which had them on sale for €310 originally then realised they could make a quick buck.
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Nov 27, 2020 12:25
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FuzzySlippers posted:wow it's crazy with computer hardware right now. I'm not even buying deep discount black friday stuff but I've had 4 things go out of stock before I could checkout. One of which was the amd 3600 cpu which wasn't on sale at all Yea building a PC suck right now, parts are hard to get and many are over priced as well.
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Nov 27, 2020 14:25
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I think I got most of what I need except the cpu. It's funny an older cpu like the 3600 doesn't seem to be in stock anywhere reputable for near retail. I'll be on the hunt for a 3600 or 5600 for a while it seems.
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Nov 27, 2020 14:47
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Went ahead and cancelled most of my outstanding orders from scan. Hopefully I'll still get a NR200P in a few days, and we'll see if the back-ordered 5900X gets here before I can snag a 5600X drop. Will need to figure out the PSU situation though, ugh. Ordered another SF750 from amazon with unknown ship date, might try ordering an overpriced one and returning it once the other materializes--assuming there will be actual stock after the weekend, which I doubt.
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FuzzySlippers posted:I think I got most of what I need except the cpu. It's funny an older cpu like the 3600 doesn't seem to be in stock anywhere reputable for near retail. I'll be on the hunt for a 3600 or 5600 for a while it seems. They very well may be out of production at this point; zen2 is using the same process as zen3, rdna2, and both next gen console socs. AMD has a lot of poo poo to make on TSMC 7nm right now. Maybe you can snag a used one from someone upgrading? Edit: oh and rdna1 too I guess they're still keeping the 5xxx radeon parts around for awhile. VorpalFish fucked around with this message at 17:27 on Nov 27, 2020 |
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Nov 27, 2020 17:25
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Rhaka posted:Went ahead and cancelled most of my outstanding orders from scan. Hopefully I'll still get a NR200P in a few days, and we'll see if the back-ordered 5900X gets here before I can snag a 5600X drop. drat it's like we've got a parallel shopping experience going on. I ordered the SF750 from Amazon last night just because it was the only place with retail pricing still.
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Nov 27, 2020 17:48
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The UK is a very divided country!
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Nov 27, 2020 18:24
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I just ended up going with the Silverstone SX-700pt to stick in my NR200 since the SF750 is so hard to get. That'll be enough for when I eventually get the 3080 or 3-series refresh to pair with a 6700k. The only downside to it are that the cables are supposedly really stiff and hard to route but I'm going to be using the mesh panel anyway so prettifying the guts don't matter to me, and that it's a little louder than the SF750 which doesn't bother me, it's going on the floor under the desk.
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Nov 27, 2020 20:39
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I annoyingly bought the overpriced Corsair 12-pin cable so I'm stuck waiting for now.
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So I am looking at a NR200, seems like a good size, but I have been out of the game for a while. I want intel/nvidia but other than that I really don't know what I am doing. I want 1080p @ 60fps. So nothing too crazy. I found some pre builts but pre builts make me nervous. What is a good gfx/cpu to target for 1080p 60fps?
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Skyarb posted:What is a good gfx/cpu to target for 1080p 60fps? Intel 10400 and a 1660? If you want intel/NVidia. 10100 also works for a budget build.
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Skyarb posted:So I am looking at a NR200, seems like a good size, but I have been out of the game for a while. I want intel/nvidia but other than that I really don't know what I am doing. I want 1080p @ 60fps. So nothing too crazy. I found some pre builts but pre builts make me nervous. https://www.logicalincrements.com/ is worth checking out. 3100/3300X/2600/3600 (these are all AMD) and a 1650 Super/1660/1660 Super depending on your overall budget I'd say. Now CPU supply for Zen 2 is getting pretty slim it seems, so those may or may not be an option for very long if you want to go new. With a limited supply, you could make an argument for Intel, but if I were going that route, I'd be tempted to get an i3 10100 and putting the money saved toward quality-of-life improvements (bigger SSD, better CPU cooler, RGB if you're into it, et cetera) or just saving it. You might consider an i5 10400 too, but I'd be looking at every possible avenue for a 6C/12T Ryzen first. In short though, if you're near a Micro Center, I'd head over there soon and get in on one of their CPU/motherboard combo deals. I don't know much about pre-built gaming desktops, but my guess is SFF is even less of a thing in that realm, and I think it's more fun to build it yourself anyway.
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impulse tech shopping is terrible. I grabbed a 3700x because it was on sale for $270 (also lol it went OOS shortly after I did). My 'budget' build is rapidly becoming less so. I think the 3700x is arguably better than the cpu in my normal desktop of an i5-9600k.
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Well finally did the deed and spent about 5 hours today moving my 6700k / gtx 1080 build from an oversized atx case (mm h2g0 from the old water cooling days) into the nr200. Upgraded from the hyper 212 to fuma 2 which is now letting me get to a 4.5 oc instead of 4.2. Crammed 2 2.5" ssds and 1 3.5" hdd into the drat thing. The silverstone sx 700 pt sfx psu really does have the stiffest cables so it was rather difficult to manage it all and let me tell Ya it ain't pretty but I don't really care. Set bottom intake and top exhaust fans to ramp on gpu temp via Argus, and left the fuma 2 stock. All in all I'm really pleased. Mesh panel of course, the things noisier than my old case but saving space in shoebox hell is worth it.
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Weird question but does anyone know how much a NH-D15 (single fan) overhangs on an ITX board (ideally an X570). There’s a neat vertical case going round reddit reminiscent of the new xbox. https://www.reddit.com/r/sffpc/comments/k0wvvk/some_renders_of_my_custom_case_name_still_pending/ ijyt fucked around with this message at 20:43 on Nov 28, 2020 |
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ijyt posted:Weird question but does anyone know how much a NH-D15 (single fan) overhangs on an ITX board (ideally an X570). There’s a neat vertical case going round reddit reminiscent of the new xbox. It's almost the size of the entire board with both fans. Like make sure you have all your cables plugged in before installing it lol. Here's my build in the TU-150. It's almost touching the GPU. 
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Romes128 posted:It's almost the size of the entire board with both fans. Like make sure you have all your cables plugged in before installing it lol. Here's my build in the TU-150. It's almost touching the GPU. Good lord okay, thank you. 
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As I continue to flip-flop on how to cool my 5900X in the NR200, does mounting a 240mm radiator on the side-panel prevent mounting a 3.5" HDD on the PSU cage? e: Sooo one UK retailer is saying the SF600 psus are due in on the 16th. Of April. ijyt fucked around with this message at 02:35 on Dec 1, 2020 |
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