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Toxic Fart Syndrome posted:gently caress that, this is very ethical. I bet you they have a pile of new hire applications and they adjust wages based on how thick that pile is. I hear if you return stuff too often they drop you because you can imagine youtube reviews are a nightmare for them. If you aren't breaking any laws returning it in January its only as unethical as amazon paying zero taxes imo.
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Toxic Fart Syndrome posted:gently caress that, this is very ethical. my qualm is not with jeff bezos' profit margin, but the total waste in resources of shipping the card multiple times & it very possibly going to waste as amazon returns often just become trash
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sebmojo posted:Qn: with a 5600x and a 3070, should I get a 4k monitor? Or stick to high refresh rate 1440, with gsync? Will 4k be weird for regular use and older games? 100% personal opinion land I think the sweet spot overall is 1440p/144hz both in price and performance. I don't find TOO MUCH of a difference working at 1440p (with a 17" secondary) vs. 4k. The 3070 will absolutely kick rear end at 1440p vs struggle at 4k, ignoring the additional cost you are paying to do so. I personally found 144hz transcendent the moment I first used it (even for productivity) and gaming much nicer with gsync/freesync
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sebmojo posted:Qn: with a 5600x and a 3070, should I get a 4k monitor? Or stick to high refresh rate 1440, with gsync? Will 4k be weird for regular use and older games? Stick to 1440p imo, 4k is more 3080 territory.
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Ty goonfriends, I'll look for a good 1440 option.
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Really rough "chart" with the rough range of performance. There is obviously overlap especially at the low end where CPU matters, but I'd really roughly say these are the cards sweet spots? [3060ti] - 1080p60 to 1440p60 3070 - 1080p/144 to 1440p/60 3080- 1440/144hz *sync to 4K/60 3090 - 4K/60+
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Come play the amazon warehouse gl83a game. I finally got mine for 294 and now get to wait and see its condition with fingers crossed! https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07YGZL8XF/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o01_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1 For context the amazon warehouse version of this monitor is way cheaper and comes with minor if even noticable damage at all from all accounts Veskit fucked around with this message at 20:08 on Nov 27, 2020 |
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Theres a few 27" at $299 or so, IPS 1440hz FreeSync etc, What's the difference?
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bus hustler posted:I wouldn't if you can wait. There's a lot more to benchmarks than a single raw number, however: Question, according to these charts the 3700x seems to stack up to the 5600x pretty closely, if my local microcenter has deals on the 3700x that put it roughly $40 cheaper than the 5600x (not to mention they actually have them in stock, they are currently out of both 5600x's and the 3600's) is that something worth considering? I've still got a hot minute before I'll be buying anything so I have way toouch time to compare every possible choice. Also yeah the price of almost everything has shot way up since even like a week ago lol if you waited for black friday to buy I am very sorry but you got hosed hard
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Managed to get my ancient gaming box alive on a whim, and now I'm intending to build up a new one. Current machine is a Intel Core 2 Quad Q9550, 4gb PC2-6400, and a Radeon HD 6870 USA, mainly used for gaming/basics. I'm flexible w budget, but don't want to splurge much more than this. I've also got a new 2tb platter drive otw PCPartPicker Part List CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 3700X 3.6 GHz 8-Core Processor ($279.99 @ Best Buy) CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($24.99 @ Amazon) Motherboard: ASRock B450M PRO4 Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard ($64.99 @ Newegg) Memory: Silicon Power XPOWER Turbine 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory ($55.79 @ Amazon) Storage: Crucial P1 1 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive ($93.99 @ Amazon) Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 1650 KO ULTRA GDDR6 GAMING, 04G-P4-1457-KR, 4GB GDDR6 Bought yesterday, $170 Case: Old box from forever ago, missing its door. Should I upgrade? I'm attached to this one, it was from my first build like 20 years ago Power Supply: Corsair HX520W leftover from old build. Total: $689.75 Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-11-27 14:26 EST-0500 Did I select appropriate ram (timing/speed wise)?
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Is there a gold standard for small form mactor or mini atx builds. I just need something modest, targetting 1080p @ 60.
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Skyarb posted:Is there a gold standard for small form mactor or mini atx builds. I just need something modest, targetting 1080p @ 60. Come to the SFF thread if you need advice, but the advice will most likely be to get an nr200 to build in
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AppleNippleBOB posted:Managed to get my ancient gaming box alive on a whim, and now I'm intending to build up a new one. Current machine is a Intel Core 2 Quad Q9550, 4gb PC2-6400, and a Radeon HD 6870 I would drop to a 3600 instead of a 3700X, or see if you can get a 5600X. For just gaming a 3700X is a mediocre value Though you'd probably want to move to a B550 board if you can get a 5600X. That RAM is OK for speed/timing but you can get a brand anybody has heard of (Crucial, G.Skill, Corsair) for the same price I think. Get the SN550 instead of the P1. The P1 is an old recommendation that needs to die IMO. Don't use left over power supplies if they're out of warranty, if it croaks there is a small but nonzero chance it barbecues everything else. Especially since it's an old 80 Plus (not Bronze/Gold)
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I know supply is an absolute disaster right now, but are prices skewed too? A local computer shop has 3070s available first come first serve on Sunday, but the lowest price they have is US$599.95. That's only 100 less than the MSRP for the 3080. The other 3070s are going for between 700-800. No 3080s at all. I'm debating picking up the 3070, but if I'm $150 away from getting 3080 in February 2021, I'll hold out since that is way better bang for your buck. In case it matters in the decision making, I have a 1440 144hz monitor.
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sean10mm posted:I would drop to a 3600 instead of a 3700X, or see if you can get a 5600X. For just gaming a 3700X is a mediocre value Though you'd probably want to move to a B550 board if you can get a 5600X. Thanks for the reccs. I'm seeing prices for the 3600 have jumped like crazy the past few months and the 3700x has been stable. I'd rather be patient (or buy a 2600 and upgrade it when I need/take advantage of the Amazon January return window when cpu prices have gotten better (hopefully). Just don't wanna waste ducats if I can help it. e: seems like a poo poo time to be in the "wanna build a gaming pc" market? How well do you think my machine will fare with upgrade of doubling ram and upgrading my graphics to the new 1650 4gb video card? decent enough bump to get me to more normal/better market for the big upgarde? I know my ram and cpu would bottleneck, but I wonder how badly. AppleNippleBOB fucked around with this message at 21:20 on Nov 27, 2020 |
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It seems to be a poo poo time in the "wanna buy any sort of PC Hardware at all" market. I'm trying to put together very basic PC's for my kids and it's like a treasure hunt trying to find a place that has certain parts in stock much less at MSRP. I'm actually leaning buying cheap prebuilts at this time since OEM's don't seem to be having stock issues. Is there a decent video card value at the 100 dollar price point, or is my best bet something like a 1650 (if you can find one) around 150? I was dead set on going AMD 3400G/16GB Ram to start the kids off, but with stock issues on procs I've considered dropping down to a 3200G (easier to find), or going with something like a Ryzen 3 3100 plus a cheaper video card. I'm sure any video card will outperform the Vega 8/11 onboard graphics...
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AppleNippleBOB posted:Thanks for the reccs. I'm seeing prices for the 3600 have jumped like crazy the past few months and the 3700x has been stable. I'd rather be patient (or buy a 2600 and upgrade it when I need/take advantage of the Amazon January return window when cpu prices have gotten better (hopefully). It's a great time... if you don't mind madly clicking every time your Discord part tracker pings that the part you want just went up someplace and you have a few seconds to get it in your cart before everything goes out of stock or the site crashes. In that sense the 5800X and RTX 3070 are obtainable in reasonable-ish timeframes. But for any sane human it's basically poo poo because old parts haven't price dropped (and sometimes go up even), new parts aren't buyable for 23h 59m of every day (and when they are is totally random) so... yeah.
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The 2600 would be an excellent stopgap, you'd be better off getting a 2600 / 1660 Super than 3600 / 1650 IMO. The 1650 is a pretty low end card. edit in fact if youre in the US I happen to have one available for sale used 
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tragic_ethos posted:Worked out fine for me, needed a couple reboots but otherwise went seamlessly upgrading from my 970. ty for the confidence boost. Went fine. Went from playing Apex at 1080p @ ~90FPS to 1440p @ 140 FPS. I'm sure I'm CPU limited at this point, woop woop. PopetasticPerson posted:Does anyone have any suggestions? If you can hold out for a bit, it looks like the 3060 is probably coming soon. Supply will be constrained for a while, but it'll exert some downward pressure on all the used card prices, and probably relieve some supply pressure from the 3070.
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How quick/easy is it to replace the included 5600x Wraith heatsink and cooler with the Noctua NH-U14S? I have a half-built computer sitting here waiting on the Noctua to arrive in the next week or so. Should I set it up with the Wraith and just replace when the Noctua gets here or is it easier just to wait. It looks like the Wraith cooler has a thermal pad which I have never had to clean off a CPU before. VVV I didn't even think about having to remove the motherboard entirely. Thanks for the heads up, I don't think its worth it in this instance. Pedialyte fucked around with this message at 23:56 on Nov 27, 2020 |
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Pedialyte posted:How quick/easy is it to replace the included 5600x Wraith heatsink and cooler with the Noctua NH-U14S? I have a half-built computer sitting here waiting on the Noctua to arrive in the next week or so. Should I set it up with the Wraith and just replace when the Noctua gets here or is it easier just to wait. It looks like the Wraith cooler has a thermal pad which I have never had to clean off a CPU before. I did this, but with a hyper 212. It’s not hard but you do have to pull the motherboard out of the computer and wipe the cpu off with alcohol. Beyond that, worked fine. Whether the surgery is worth it or not is up to you.
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Pedialyte posted:How quick/easy is it to replace the included 5600x Wraith heatsink and cooler with the Noctua NH-U14S? I have a half-built computer sitting here waiting on the Noctua to arrive in the next week or so. Should I set it up with the Wraith and just replace when the Noctua gets here or is it easier just to wait. It looks like the Wraith cooler has a thermal pad which I have never had to clean off a CPU before. You have to change the mounting brackets, which will require accessing the back of the motherboard with the backplate. My case has a “window” on the mounting plate for this purpose, so it is easy, for me. If your case does not, you may have to remove the entire mobo to get the new cooler on there. Also, be sure to clean any residual paste from the CPU (dab 90%+ alcohol on a lintless cloth is the method I’ve used) before mounting the new cooler.
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Where I am the Ryzen 5600 won't be in stock until late january, early february at best. However I did see some cheap Ryzen 2600 in stock, all other AM4 processors except for the expensive ones are sold out. My question is this: Can I get a B550 motherboard, for example the Gigabyte B550 GAMING X and put a 2600 in there while I wait for the 5000 series to become available? Side question; Should I get 3600mhz ram if the intention is to upgrade the CPU down the line?
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Erfsom posted:Where I am the Ryzen 5600 won't be in stock until late january, early february at best. However I did see some cheap Ryzen 2600 in stock, all other AM4 processors except for the expensive ones are sold out. I don't think any of the B550 boards will support CPUs that old. X570 might (not 100% sure about this), but B550 seems to be 3000 series or newer CPUs only
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Bofast posted:I don't think any of the B550 boards will support CPUs that old. X570 might (not 100% sure about this), but B550 seems to be 3000 series or newer CPUs only Manual says you're right... 
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Hello thread, I finally got my 3080 and 5900x! Here's what I've got: PCPartPicker Part List CPU: AMD Ryzen 9 5900X 3.7 GHz 12-Core Processor ($549.00) Motherboard: Asus TUF GAMING B550-PLUS ATX AM4 Motherboard ($159.66 @ Amazon) Storage: Samsung 970 EVO Plus 2 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive ($249.99 @ B&H) Video Card: Asus GeForce RTX 3080 10 GB TUF GAMING OC Video Card ($759.99) Total: $1718.64 Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-11-27 19:43 EST-0500 So I need help with the following: Motherboard: The motherboard came with a combo and it seems to suit my needs well enough, but... I kind of want something fancy. Should I spring for an x570 mobo or is that overkill for me? I don't plan on doing any OC and don't really need extra slots, but will I maybe need something a year from now? Cooler: I'm at a loss. I don't plan on OC but something good would be nice. Something with rgb leds. Case: Does this system work with a Meshify C? What does everyone prefer? I guess I want a dark case to go with my dark GPU RAM: I'm going for 32gb. What's a good brand? I guess I want RGB on these too, to go with the fan. I don't know anything about RAM speeds, what's a good one to go for? Power Supply: I want 750w, yes? What's a good brand? Am I missing anything? How many extra fans should I get? D1Sergo fucked around with this message at 01:58 on Nov 28, 2020 |
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D1Sergo posted:Hello thread, I finally got my 3080 and 5900x! Here's what I've got: https://www.amazon.com/Cooler-Maste...day&sr=1-1&th=1 Thats on sale today. But if you want rgb fans, and well, "rgb everything" I would lean towards corsair since their softwear is pretty good and they are leaning that direction hard. Their rgb ram is bright as hell and it helps to have multiple things lit up by the same software. https://www.amazon.com/CORSAIR-Veng...ctronics&sr=1-3 I'm not saying pick that speed but those sticks are stunning. If you want the corsair option for a CPU cooler with RGB this is their new quieter pump with the most rainbow vomit on the cooler as possible. https://www.corsair.com/us/en/Categories/Products/Liquid-Cooling/iCUE-ELITE-CAPELLIX-Liquid-CPU-Cooler/p/CW-9060046-WW Your case choice fits a 240 radiator up top and this does give you 2 rgb fans and a hub that will run all your fans off water temps. edit: number of fans: 3 in the front, 2 from the aio out, and 1 in the back. Some people say to just run 2 in the front but on low speeds I think 3 provides more air. spunkshui fucked around with this message at 02:07 on Nov 28, 2020 |
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Toxic Fart Syndrome posted:Should be backwards compatible to Zen1, just won’t get PCIe Gen4 iirc...check the manual to be certain. officially b550 is not... unofficially you can find screenshots of them running zen+ processors. https://www.gigabyte.com/Motherboard/B550-GAMING-X-rev-10/support#support-cpu
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D1Sergo posted:Hello thread, I finally got my 3080 and 5900x! Here's what I've got: The board is fine. X570 won't actually gain you anything performance wise unless you want to plug up a shitload of SATA devices, M.2 devices and PCIe cards at once. For the case, Fractal is good but it's not really the bling choice either. Maybe get one of the Corsair airflow cases with RGB fans? For PSU find a modular 80+ Gold or Platinum model with a 10 year warranty from somebody like Seasonic, EVGA or Corsair. The Fractal Ion+ are supposed to be real good too. sean10mm fucked around with this message at 02:30 on Nov 28, 2020 |
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Okay so for RAM, here's one that is compatible with motherboard that matches my desire for 2x16gb: 32gb Corsair 3200mhz RAM Aesthetically, If I get the white RAM and match it to the white Meshify case, hopefully the dark TUF mobo doesn't clash too much with it (if that's a thing lol). or there's this one here which has 3466 mhz instead of 3200mhz. Anyone know if the difference justifies the price increase? edit: Looking at the above recommendations too. There don't seem to be any 2x16gb ram sticks at 3600mhz that are compatible with my board but I'm still looking. Thanks for the help! D1Sergo fucked around with this message at 02:33 on Nov 28, 2020 |
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D1Sergo posted:Okay so for RAM, here's one that is compatible with motherboard that matches my desire for 2x16gb: 32gb Corsair 3200mhz RAM https://www.amazon.com/Corsair-Icue...9SXWVE2VWQ&th=1 I mean if you want a case thats half black, half white and vomiting rainbows this one is on sale today. My wife has it, many pretties  edit: corsair sells ram directly https://www.corsair.com/us/en/Categories/Products/Memory/c/Cor_Products_Memory
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D1Sergo posted:Okay so for RAM, here's one that is compatible with motherboard that matches my desire for 2x16gb: 32gb Corsair 3200mhz RAM What? No, 2x16 DDR4 3600 CL16 from any of the major RAM makers will work. Zen 3 isn't a bitch about memory like old Ryzens were. You should expect G.skill, Crucial or Corsair (and probably all the others tbh) to boot up with XMP on and run at rated speeds on any decent motherboard, especially B550 or X570. sean10mm fucked around with this message at 02:33 on Nov 28, 2020 |
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sean10mm posted:What? No, 2x16 DDR4 3600 CL16 from any of the major RAM makers will work. I was going off this website for my mobo: https://www.asus.com/us/Motherboards/TUF-GAMING-B550-PLUS/HelpDesk_QVL_Memory/
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D1Sergo posted:I was going off this website for my mobo: https://www.asus.com/us/Motherboards/TUF-GAMING-B550-PLUS/HelpDesk_QVL_Memory/ That isn't the only memory that will work, that's just a list of kits that Asus tested. Also they did approve a bunch of 2x16 kits from g.skill Vendors Part No. Size RAM Speed Run Speed SS/DS Chip Brand Timing Voltage Socket Support G.SKILL F4-3600C16D-32GTZNC 2x 16GB 3600 3600 DS SK Hynix 16-19-19-39 1.35 1,2 G.SKILL F4-3600C17D-32GTZ 2x 16GB 3600 3600 DS Samsung 17-19-19-39 1.35 1,2 G.SKILL F4-3600C17D-32GTZSW 2x 16GB 3600 3600 DS Samsung 17-19-19-39 1.35 1,2 G.SKILL F4-3600C17D-32GTZKW 2x 16GB 3600 3600 DS Samsung 17-19-19-39 1.35 1,2 Hyper X HX436C17PB3K2/32 2x 16GB 3600 3600 DS SK Hynix 17-19-19-39 1.35 1,2 OLOY MD4U163618BEDA B 2x 16GB 3600 3600 SS Micron 18-22-22-42 1.35 1,2 But also between SK Hynix, Samsung and Micron that's pretty much all the actual RAM chips on any of the RAM made by anybody else anyway.
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Ah, cool, I'll take a look at those thank you. edit: Leaning strongly towards this guy: here. Or this corsair here? Wait, the first one seems more expensive for some reason. edit: OH the CAS latency okay lemme see.... edit 2: Ok THIS GUY is CL16 DDR4 3600 2x16gb G. Skill and it looks good to me. Imma buy it. Edit again: This power supply looks like what I need: 750w Corsair however, if I'm going with the Fractal case then I might as well match it to the Fractal power supply, I guess? Probably go with this: 760w Ion+ D1Sergo fucked around with this message at 03:26 on Nov 28, 2020 |
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