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Next time on In/Spectre I hope it doesn't end with something frustrating likeThe Main Character's sister just kind of getting away with serial murder in an elaborate suicide experiment.
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Nov 27, 2020 23:33
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SatoshiMiwa posted:Turns out Strawberry Panic with Nanoha weaponry is a pretty great idea I had Meiji panda cookies for the first time in around 20 years and the nostalgia is a good cure for strawberry panic. Tastes exactly the same as I remember, but theyre made in Pennsylvania now too.
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Nov 28, 2020 03:00
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macabresca posted:Yay for more In/Spectre!  we've talked about it a little in the BL thread so if you want to post about it or discuss anything feel free to hop in. I'm catching up on it tonight and it really is super pretty! The action scenes have been very nice so far as well, really smooth.
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Nov 28, 2020 04:16
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Everything Burrito posted:
I've also checked out the manhua and while I prefer the anime (or donghua, I guess) story-wise, the art is so ridiculously beautiful it almost made me cry
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Nov 28, 2020 13:31
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macabresca posted:I've also checked out the manhua and while I prefer the anime (or donghua, I guess) story-wise, the art is so ridiculously beautiful it almost made me cry Yeah I was reading it for a while, hadn't made it past the ghost bride bit but every chapter was like this amazing art masterpiece but it was sort of frustrating to read because the thread of the plot was a little hard to follow; the show is a lot more accessible but I'm glad it's kind of kept the same feeling as the manhua art just simplified for animation. Everything Burrito fucked around with this message at 18:04 on Nov 28, 2020 |
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Nov 28, 2020 18:01
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Hmm, latest Elaina sure was... something.
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Nov 29, 2020 13:08
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Ibblebibble posted:Hmm, latest Elaina sure was... something. This story has no moral/ This story has no end/ This story only goes to show/ There ain't no good in men
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Nov 30, 2020 00:18
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This latest Elaina was sold as wow, this is the darkest story yet. It is instead just gratuitous and stupid. Like it was obvious the shoe was going to drop, and it instead drops in the stupidest way possible. And the way the camera just lingers on the situation and the characters broadcast their intentions is less horrifying and more revolting. Like the only thing it has going for it is it might spur some reflection and character growth on the part of Elaina herself. But will the writer/director be able to express this? Who loving knows, because they botched this episode.
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Nov 30, 2020 00:45
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Re: Elaina -- Why didn't the Lavender Witch just resolve to go back in time even further next attempt and steal the girl away as a baby before her Dad abused her and drove her insane? You even have the tools and know-how to do it! Sure, it'd take another decade of pooling your own blood but what's that when it comes to saving your best friend's life? Or you could, I dunno, just lose your temper because the story you thought was true was slightly wrong so you erase your own memories and kill your best friend out of spite. There was a sociopath this episode, and it wasn't Elaina. Oh well. At least this episode wasn't obnoxiously trite like episode 7 or episode 6. It's also morbidly funny reading reddit comments on the episode and seeing people pop up who are enthusiastically into the whole "never help people, it's a ton of work for nothing!" message this show seems intent on hammering home.
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Malsangoroth posted:Re: Elaina -- Why didn't the Lavender Witch just resolve to go back in time even further next attempt and steal the girl away as a baby before her Dad abused her and drove her insane. Time-line bullshit and she couldn't stay long enough to guarantee nothing happened. She'd have to kill that girl's whole bloodline to be safe. She's also a Witch: they don't seem to give a poo poo about you if you cross them. Rudoku fucked around with this message at 01:10 on Nov 30, 2020 |
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Nov 30, 2020 01:07
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Malsangoroth posted:Re: Elaina -- Why didn't the Lavender Witch just resolve to go back in time even further next attempt and steal the girl away as a baby before her Dad abused her and drove her insane? You even have the tools and know-how to do it! Sure, it'd take another decade of pooling your own blood but what's that when it comes to saving your best friend's life? Or you could, I dunno, just lose your temper because the story you thought was true was slightly wrong so you erase your own memories and kill your best friend out of spite. There was a sociopath this episode, and it wasn't Elaina. Oh well. At least this episode wasn't obnoxiously trite like episode 7 or episode 6. It's also morbidly funny reading reddit comments on the episode and seeing people pop up who are enthusiastically into the whole "never help people, it's a ton of work for nothing!" message this show seems intent on hammering home. I thought she had died of her wounds when they got back or something. It was all very unclear. I feel like the best way to describe this episode is "gratuitously grimdark". I wonder how the original LN handled it all.
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FWIW that was my least favorite story in the 3 translated novels so it was never really destined to go great in adaptation IMO, though the anime doubled down on the gore in a way that was pretty deeply lame. That said the anime's been so consistently terrible at what stories to include/how to frame them/how to manage the tone that I didn't really expect it to do much better here. If anyone cares about novel differences, the main one I can point out is that the novel makes clear the Estelle survives her experience, but burned her memories of it in order to power the magic she used to kill Serena. I thought when I read it that the moral was a pretty straightforward "you can't go back and change bad experiences you've been through, you have to accept that damage and move on" sort of thing undercut by the somewhat fundamental goofiness of the Child Serial Stabber angle, and then undercut further by the obvious glee the anime takes in rendering all the most gruesome details. Oh and also the anime has a line that's subtitled as Serena saying that her dad sexually abused her. The official translation of the story just says that he "bullied" her and doesn't really have any other lines suggesting anything sexual going on. I'm reasonably sure, then, that that line was either yet another stupid change on the anime's part or a mistranslation by the anime subtitles, though I'm open to the possibility that it's the LN translation that got it wrong. Anyway the whole anime experience has been a pretty frustrating thing for me, because I really enjoyed - and still enjoy - the books, but the way the anime has rolled out has half the people who know about the franchise seemingly convinced that it's the product of a diseased mind.
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If it’s not obvious by now, the whole equivalent exchange for a powerful spell thing has been a recurring thing for a while now, and it’s never turned out well. The witch way back in episode 4 burned her memories in order to torture her dad into murdering his kingdom, and truth town involved a witch sacrificing her voice. And the latest one involved blood for the initial spell, and then her memories when she needed more magic, all for an effort that was simply to ease her conscience cause she knew beforehand that she could never save her own timeline’s version of her best friend, it’d always be another timeline’s. And then the reveal happened. The anime skipping a bunch of lighthearted and/or heartwarming stories is still a problem though since it makes the adaptation feel lopsided in tone. Like comedy lighthearted antics like Elaina visits cat country where everyone loves cats and will imprison you for not loving cats, zombie theme park country where country advertises itself as a zombieland and then accidentally unleashes a real zombie apocalypse, and then candy country where Elaina just straights up grifts them because it turns out their merch is overpriced. Allarion fucked around with this message at 01:53 on Nov 30, 2020 |
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Nov 30, 2020 01:46
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yeah this just seems like an insanely botched adaptation of hit-or-miss material.
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Endorph posted:yeah this just seems like an insanely botched adaptation of hit-or-miss material. Yeah I don't know what anyone is expecting from the show at this point. It is what it has been since like episode 3, a beautiful looking disappointment.
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Nov 30, 2020 02:15
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this one was a more coherent story than some of the other episodes but yeah the excess of the climactic scene was lame and counterproductive
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Nov 30, 2020 02:26
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Allarion posted:The anime skipping a bunch of lighthearted and/or heartwarming stories is still a problem though since it makes the adaptation feel lopsided in tone. Like comedy lighthearted antics like Elaina visits cat country where everyone loves cats and will imprison you for not loving cats, zombie theme park country where country advertises itself as a zombieland and then accidentally unleashes a real zombie apocalypse, and then candy country where Elaina just straights up grifts them because it turns out their merch is overpriced. They skipped my favorite story in V2 - involving Elaina helping to rehabilitate a demi-human goat girl suffering from severe PTSD and delusions in the wake of racist violence - that I think would have done particularly well to soften a lot of anime-only watchers' opinions of Elaina, too. Though with how bad this anime's been at managing its tone I suppose I can't assume they wouldn't have simply botched that, too. It's weird, because it's very well produced in a lot of the technical respects and even hits the tone it seems to want to hit more often than not, but its baseline decisions of what tone it even wants and what stories are worth adapting and how are just a wild mess.
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Nov 30, 2020 02:29
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Elaina is like seeing a brand new car and getting inside, excited to drive it, and then you find out you have to peddle it with your feet like the loving Flintstones
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Nov 30, 2020 02:30
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Elaine is a real good example of how good animation doesn't always equal good direction
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Nov 30, 2020 02:32
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Spiritus Nox posted:
Don't know what the line in the LN is, but the subtitle translation is correct based on what she says in the anime. Also, is it wrong that I'm enjoying it more, the more it becomes apparent the director/producers give no fucks since none of the source material seems to be saying anything particularly insightful to begin with? AlternateNu fucked around with this message at 02:47 on Nov 30, 2020 |
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Nov 30, 2020 02:45
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AlternateNu posted:Don't know what the line in the LN is, but the subtitle translation is correct based on what she says in the anime.
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Elephant Parade posted:how do you know that about the source material when all you've seen is the adaptation Nu was saying the translated subtitles match the japanese dialogue and are accurate to the show at least. E: oh you probably meant the second part. Nvm.
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Elephant Parade posted:how do you know that about the source material when all you've seen is the adaptation Because I'm an rear end in a top hat on the internet. Also, I'm just referring to the stories they've adapted so far. Stories they haven't adapted yet aren't yet "source material". So, I'm making my judgement based on what they've decided to show us, and IMO, none of these stories have particularly insightful things to say, even if they had been adapted better.
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Nov 30, 2020 02:59
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I mean, even if we accept the premise that none of the original stories "say anything insightful", I don't see how the adaptation making the basic process of engaging with them more abrasive and less entertaining is all that worth celebrating IMO tl;dr i think its better when anime is good than when its bad
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Nov 30, 2020 03:02
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i think there's interesting messages/themes buried in most of the episodes so far. in a couple cases not even buried, like the first couple eps. it's almost entirely an execution issue and not a source material issue as far as i can tell
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Nov 30, 2020 03:04
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Also cases like episode 4 where I thought it had one of the most interesting ideas of any of the novel's stories so far but then the anime just, entirely omitted the scenes that actually voiced any of those ideas at all
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Nov 30, 2020 03:06
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AlternateNu posted:Because I'm an rear end in a top hat on the internet. Also, I'm just referring to the stories they've adapted so far. Stories they haven't adapted yet aren't yet "source material". So, I'm making my judgement based on what they've decided to show us, and IMO, none of these stories have particularly insightful things to say, even if they had been adapted better.
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Nov 30, 2020 03:13
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a bad adaptation will naturally obscure the themes and intent of the original work, at that point it's completely worthless as a way of examining the source material without having ever actually looked at the source
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obviously you get works where the problems come from the original, rather than the adaptation, but judging by all the people in the thread who have read the original going "hmm this adaptation makes a lot of very sucky changes" I don't think this is one of those
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Nov 30, 2020 03:16
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*Watches Berserk 2017* Wow this manga must have real lovely art huh
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adaptations have such a major effect on how their source material can come off that the 2003 kino's journey convinced a ton of people kino's journey was a philosophical journey and not a light novel series by a guy who really likes guns with a spinoff manga where kino is a high school magical girl, with a gun
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Nov 30, 2020 03:20
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And, I mean, I don't want to overhype the original LN as some flawless masterpiece or anything, I didn't really like Retroactive Grief in novel form and there's a few other stories I wasn't high on, some adapted, some not, but I at least thought the novel was more hit than miss, meanwhile the anime just feels like it's made basically every story worse across the board whether I liked the original version or not.
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Nov 30, 2020 03:22
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Speaking of which, someone picked the manga adaptation up again and while I never got around to giving the anime itself a try, its take on the episode 1 material is pretty clear compared to basically everyone I know thinking it was pretty but kind of baffling thematically. Helps that it's by Nanao Itsuki, part of the duo on Kusuriya, another good novel adaptation. 
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Nov 30, 2020 03:24
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i think im a secondary hater now. time to get really into decade-old vns and bullet hell games
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I had already dropped Elaina after episode 3, but I got curious about episode 9 and... that was straight up misery porn than I'm incredible baffled as to how no one took the director aside to say, uhm, maybe we could tone down some of these scenes lol I get the core moral it's supposed to say and I believe the novel readers when they say the source isn't like that but, wow? The show's like that Harry Potter candy where you don't know what you're getting every week. But really my chief problem with these stories is that it doesn't really empower the main character to actually do any kind of satisfying poo poo. The fluffy stories are easy, but when it comes to making tough moral decisions, there exists a copout where she does practically nothing or takes the easy way out. Her bawling out at the end about not being able to do anything was just hilarious. Lily Catts fucked around with this message at 04:49 on Nov 30, 2020 |
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Nov 30, 2020 04:45
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in conclusion if you hated the kumamiko anime but thought machi was a cute then you can still try the kumamiko manga
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Nov 30, 2020 04:46
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Iwakakeru is still some good Sports now that I'm caught up. Cat puns girl redeemed herself. Still needs more Iwamine, though. 
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Nov 30, 2020 04:58
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i still actively like the jun maeda show through 8 episodes which is a new record. its a funnier comedy than his previous stuff and the emotional bits and scifi bullshit are better integrated so far. it doesn't seem like it has room to go as bad as charlotte at this point but i can't let my guard down
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Aw yesss, Talentless Nana is really kicking off now. Best character reveal had me so hyped.
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