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I was watching some video the other day, and mentioned Zack Snyder's daughter, so I looked it up, and turns out (and maybe this is common knowledge) that his daughter committed suicide back in 2017 (sometime before Justice League came out). Having read that, it makes me wonder if the reason his films are the way they are is a result of coping with his daughter's depression and death. Then again, maybe I'm reading too much into it, or attempting armchair psychology.
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Nov 28, 2020 21:09
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Still though, in its released form I still feel The Last Jedi is the third best Star War. Absolutely love it.
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Nov 28, 2020 21:09
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Microcline posted:He doesn't even say that The Dark Knight Returns is a bad comic, or that we shouldn't make comics like it, but that it works because it's an elseworlds and that there's something wrong if the dominant version of this colorful children's cartoon is a gritty story about celebrating sadistic violence. I personally think TDKR is a mediocre take on the hyper-violent superhero tho, even before getting into the implications of it being the dominant form. The two ways I see of doing it are to either to depict the uncomfortable consequences of violence (e.g. Alan Moore and Dave Gibbon's Watchmen) or to lean into the goofy, unrealistic spectacle of it (e.g. Blade) Right, he said TDKR is fine as an alternative take, but is perhaps problematic as a direct point of reference for the "official" adaption of the character. It's probably gotten to be a worse idea over time, honestly, as Frank Miller's follow ups and related works have become more openly and unapologetically fashy. fun hater posted:henry cavill is like the concept of watching paint dry anthropomorphized He's pretty good in The Witcher, where you can tell he's having a lot of fun grunting angrily and saying "gently caress" in an exhausted tone.
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Nov 28, 2020 21:10
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Andrast posted:Snyder should direct the next star wars movie A dark and edgy adaptation of the Yuzzhan Vong arc? Yeah, I'll pass. Thank you.
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Nov 28, 2020 21:10
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Nuns with Guns posted:He's pretty good in The Witcher, where you can tell he's having a lot of fun grunting angrily and saying "gently caress" in an exhausted tone. He was good in The Man From UNCLE movie too. I don't remember much from that movie aside from Cavil and the amazingly stylish clothes everyone had.
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Nov 28, 2020 21:14
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Roth posted:The real problem with Snyder discourse is how much of it is working backwards from an assumed conclusion. can you at least engage the posters you are burning here? you are a moderator
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Nov 28, 2020 21:16
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Goa Tse-tung posted:can you at least engage the posters you are burning here? you are a moderator Yeah I don't think and never said Synder was an objectivist I just think he's horrifically mediocre at doing one theme over and over that's been done better in multiple mediums over the last 40 years or so.
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Nov 28, 2020 21:30
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Someone def called him an randian a few pages back.
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Nov 28, 2020 21:45
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Microcline posted:Have you ever met a non-Randian who thinks The Fountainhead is a good book? The question was "How is Snyders work Randian", not "what books does Zack like". By the way you obviously sidestepped the question, I'm gonna go ahead and guess that you don't actually have a clue about what you're talking about. Steven Spielberg is a fan of the Fountanhead, I guess Indiana Jones, Jurassic park and Schindlers list are all objectivist works too, by your standard? 300, at face value is certainly a film with issues, but people usually forget that it's all a story being narrated by a an unreliable narrator. It's also a hoot that everyone seems to overlook his animated film, which is all about how war sucks and how fascism preys on the weak and is a corrosive and terrible ideology in their screed to paint him as some sort of fascist objectivist. Andrast posted:Snyder should direct the next star wars movie I feel like it would be a perfect fit for him. Give him free reign to do a movie set in the old republic, toss him a 100 million and let him go nuts with lightsabers. Jimbot posted:There has to be one for The Last Jedi. That film is super frustrating to me. Going by his other films, Rian Johnson doesn't seem like a director who doesn't follow up on ideas but the way that film is put together just undercuts itself all the time. At least I hope there is. He really does have the benefit of the doubt because of who owns Star Wars. There was absolutely some executive meddling based on focus groups, I feel that Boyegas opinion made that very clear. Interestingly he stood up for JJ, which is surprising considering....everything, but I'm guessing there was a lot of bullshit going on behind the scenes we've not been privy too. I'm willing to give JJ a pass if Boyega has his back. Can't wait for all the juicy details of this trainwreck to be made public
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Nov 28, 2020 21:48
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Max Wilco posted:I was watching some video the other day, and mentioned Zack Snyder's daughter, so I looked it up, and turns out (and maybe this is common knowledge) that his daughter committed suicide back in 2017 (sometime before Justice League came out). Justice League director's cut will be the first film Snyder has released since that happened.
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Nov 28, 2020 21:52
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Yeah perfectly understandably he dropped everything when that happened.
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Nov 28, 2020 22:22
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When is his zombie film getting released? That's more exciting to me.
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Nov 28, 2020 22:23
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McCloud posted:I feel like it would be a perfect fit for him. Give him free reign to do a movie set in the old republic, toss him a 100 million and let him go nuts with lightsabers. Also it would condense the snyder and star wars arguments into a single argument, which would be a massive boon
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Nov 28, 2020 22:25
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Bob Igar needs to go away forever for Star Wars movies to get better.
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Nov 28, 2020 22:26
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How's the second season of the Mandalorian? I liked the first season well enough though I didn't think it was anything super amazing. Just a well-made neato thing.
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Nov 28, 2020 22:34
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Hopefully his replacement can at least be more interesting, even if nothing will actually make Disney a better company besides breaking it up.
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Nov 28, 2020 22:35
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Max Wilco posted:I was watching some video the other day, and mentioned Zack Snyder's daughter, so I looked it up, and turns out (and maybe this is common knowledge) that his daughter committed suicide back in 2017 (sometime before Justice League came out). Justice League began production in 2016 and was in the post-production process when Autumn Snyder died.
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Nov 28, 2020 22:42
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McCloud posted:300, at face value is certainly a film with issues, but people usually forget that it's all a story being narrated by a an unreliable narrator. It's also a hoot that everyone seems to overlook his animated film, which is all about how war sucks and how fascism preys on the weak and is a corrosive and terrible ideology in their screed to paint him as some sort of fascist objectivist.
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Nov 28, 2020 22:44
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Jimbot posted:How's the second season of the Mandalorian? I liked the first season well enough though I didn't think it was anything super amazing. Just a well-made neato thing. Still a well-made neato thing, imo
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Nov 28, 2020 22:51
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Jimbot posted:How's the second season of the Mandalorian? I liked the first season well enough though I didn't think it was anything super amazing. Just a well-made neato thing. I mean, I dunno. I thought the first season was astounding and season 2 is even better. It’s a Star Wars show about Star Wars things. It’s a blast.
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Nov 28, 2020 22:51
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Ghostlight posted:300 is also a fairly faithful (from my memory) adaptation of a comic book written by the author of robocop 3, a man who's brain was so scrambled by 9/11 he tried to get dc to allow him to release a comic book where batman does nothing but brutalise muslims. Ehhh, not really. Never been a big Miller fan and he has worked hard to erode even that mild starting point, but the 300 movie, despite being a big hit, is not unlike watchmen; it can get many frames picture-perfect while utterly violating the theme and spirit. The comic book verion has spartans being...well, spartan. Laconic, hermetic. The movie turned them into a-wooing frat bros screaming and boasting every line. It had to include a moonlit scene of Leonidas banging his wife for proper no-homo cred, while in the story she just dryly comments that he was more enthusiastic than usual last night when she sees that he's going off to die. Even worse, he created a whole character and sideplot entirely; Theron, a spartan traitor, to further drive home that true, noble warriors only lose when betrayed from within by those sleazy politicians and fifth-columnists! I mean, that was already a theme with Ephialtes, but Snyder thinks so little of the audience that he had to double down.
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Nov 28, 2020 22:59
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Archer666 posted:He was good in The Man From UNCLE movie too. I don't remember much from that movie aside from Cavil and the amazingly stylish clothes everyone had. It's an extremely fun film, Cavill is incredibly charismatic in it, Armie Hammer is good even if the take on Kuryakin is slightly weird, everyone else is great in it as well. Guy Ritchie can direct a fun action film.
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Nov 28, 2020 23:01
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Goa Tse-tung posted:can you at least engage the posters you are burning here? you are a moderator That wasn't even remotely an attempt at a burn, and people on the same page were in fact saying he is an objectivist.
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Nov 28, 2020 23:04
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Seconding the fact that Man from UNCLE was a very fun film and I am sad it never got a sequal.
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Nov 28, 2020 23:08
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Twincityhacker posted:Seconding the fact that Man from UNCLE was a very fun film and I am sad it never got a sequal. Apparently everyone involved is up for another one if they can sort out scheduling. Which means it's dead.
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Nov 28, 2020 23:15
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In light of everything Guy Ritchie has done since Man from UNCLE, he should definitely try making a sequel instead of making literally anything else.
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Nov 28, 2020 23:24
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Has snyder chat ever resulted in anything of value
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Nov 28, 2020 23:24
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Junpei Hyde posted:Has snyder chat ever resulted in anything of value Depends if the Snydercut is any good. In some ways Snyder chat across Twitter resulted in that.
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Nov 28, 2020 23:26
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Junpei Hyde posted:Has snyder chat ever resulted in anything of value no
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Nov 28, 2020 23:33
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McCloud posted:300, at face value is certainly a film with issues, but people usually forget that it's all a story being narrated by a an unreliable narrator. It's also a hoot that everyone seems to overlook his animated film, which is all about how war sucks and how fascism preys on the weak and is a corrosive and terrible ideology in their screed to paint him as some sort of fascist objectivist. The point of an unreliable narrator it to make the audience aware of the narrator and a fictional audience. In 300, the idea is that Dilios is telling the story to the Spartan Council one year after the battle has taken place. This can explain certain aspects, like why a tactical blunder and decisive defeat is presented as a brave sacrifice, why the Spartiates are considerably better fighters than they actually were, why the Spartiate army is considerably more uniform, and why the Persians are a monstrous horde, but it doesn't explain the massive changes that have been made to glorify the Spartiates to a modern audience with modern sensibilities. Dilios and the council are all Spartiates, all live in Sparta, and are proud of its cultural mores. Contrast it to a movie like Starship Troopers, where the movie being tailored for a fictional audience highlights the dissonance between their values and ours. I don't have any direct quotes from Snyder, but Miller has gone on record saying he believes a lot of Sparta-focused myths and tailored the work to a modern audience to further propagate it: quote:The Spartans were a paradoxical people. They were the biggest slave owners in Greece. But at the same time, Spartan women had an unusual level of rights. It’s a paradox that they were a bunch of people who in many ways were fascist, but they were the bulwark against the fall of democracy. The closest comparison you can draw in terms of our own military today is to think of the red-caped Spartans as being like our special-ops forces. They’re these almost superhuman characters with a tremendous warrior ethic, who were unquestionably the best fighters in Greece. I didn’t want to render Sparta in overly accurate terms, because ultimately I do want you to root for the Spartans. I couldn’t show them being quite as cruel as they were. I made them as cruel as I thought a modern audience could stand.
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Nov 28, 2020 23:36
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I appreciate some of the posts that happen during Snyderchat. This time around I liked the post about the non-objectivist reasons why someone might be drawn to The Fountainhead.
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Nov 28, 2020 23:51
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Holy poo poo, is the Snyder argument still going?
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Nov 28, 2020 23:52
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Sephyr posted:Ehhh, not really. Again, this is a retelling of a story by the spartans "best storyteller", if the film is intent on making a point about propaganda being used to inspire warfare then it makes sense to include a variation of the dolchstoßlegende. It's also not a coincidence that Ephialtes is hideously deformed, it's just a historic version of "this guy sucks, look how ugly he is, inside and out" (the unmentioned truth being that if the spartans hadn't been dicks towards him the betrayal would never have happened). We as the audience are not meant to relate to the spartans. Like, even in this idealized version of them as told by Dillios, they still toss babies off cliffs and send kids out to fight wolves, it's a barbaric society filled with hosed up traditions. I'm not sure if Miller intended for there to be a similar context to 300 (I've certainly read a few opinions that think so) but it is possible to recontextualize a film to say something different than the work it is based on, starship troopers being the most famous example.
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Nov 28, 2020 23:53
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quote:Q. Did you ever find yourself having to reign him in at all, because he’s quite crazy really?
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Nov 28, 2020 23:53
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Nov 29, 2020 00:04
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Vagabundo posted:Holy poo poo, is the Snyder argument still going? Posts like this are way worse than any Snyder argument!
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Nov 29, 2020 00:05
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Sincerely tho can the thread talk about something else for a bit please
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Nov 29, 2020 00:10
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Microcline posted:
As luck would have it, i do! “It is not intended for you to believe that you are a Spartan in the movie,” he claims. “I think if you take the perspective of being a Spartan, then you are a very hard individual. But, on the other hand, that is sort of the gift of cinema, that maybe you get a perspective that you don’t normally take.” “If I was Paul Verhoeven, and I had made this movie, I probably would have won the fricking festival with it,” he laughs. “Because everyone would be like, ‘Oh my God, it’s genius.'” Q. Did you ever find yourself having to reign him in at all, because he’s quite crazy really? Zack Snyder: He is a bit of a psycho but that’s consistent with the way Frank sees him. He’s not a guy you want to be friends with. In a normal movie the audience is supposed to see the hero and say: “That’s me! I’m fighting!” But I really tried from the beginning of this movie to say: “You’re not the Spartans. They throw their kids off a cliff. They beat them. Their morality is completely insane…” It was also part of the fun of making it – to suck you in and make you think you’re a Spartan and then showing you something they do that’s completely morally the opposite to what you’d do as a modern person. Q. And yet you’re completely on their side… Zack Snyder: You are on their side because that’s the point of view of the movie. Ultimately, a good movie takes you to one point of view. If I’d made this movie from the perspective of Ephialtes hopefully you’d be on his side. You’d go: “Oh my gosh, the Spartans are so mean to him! He’s just a hunchback. He’s trying to help! Screw them!” That would be cool. I could also have made the movie from Xerxes’ point of view and you might have said: “Those Spartans are crazy! They won’t listen!” "We’re primarily dealing with mythology rather than history here. Snyder: Absolutely. I’d say “300” is a movie that is made from the Spartan perspective. Not just from the Spartan perspective, the cameras are the Spartans, but it’s the Spartans sensibility of the Battle of Thermopylae. If you had Spartans sitting around a fire and they were telling you before anything was written down what happened at Thermopylae, this is the way they would tell it. It’s not necessarily down to the fact that they don’t have armor on. Everything about it is just to make the Spartans more overwhelming" "“300 is based on Herodotus,” Snyder retorts, referring to the ancient Greek who wrote The Histories, the founding work of western literature that details the Battle of Thermopylae. “However you feel about Herodotus, he wasn’t about to ruin a really great story with the truth, necessarily. He was a poet-warrior sort of historian in the classic sense.”" "Snyder argues that many people look at the movie the wrong way. “I always have this argument: the Spartans are not necessarily the good guys. Let’s get real for a second about who the Spartans are. They look at their newborn children and, if they’re not up to snuff, they chuck them off a cliff. These are the people you’re supposed to go with on this journey? “I wanted to really get that. I thought that was part of the fun, to say, ‘OK, these are people that basically send their children off into the woods when they’re seven years old, and if they live, they’re able to enter society. Those are your heroes?’ You can’t really frame that from our modern point of view. We’re not Spartans. All they do is train. That’s all they want to do. “And so, the aesthetic of the Spartans is just outside of our own aesthetic. And I think that’s the difference. That’s why, to me, it was never us against them. It’s like a painting or drawing of a heroic battle. I never meant it to be some race war.”" Bonus quote: This is the gayest film ever made,” Zack Snyder tells Total Film. It’s May 2020 and we’re discussing 300, the alpha-male Spartan fantasy that redefined the historical epic, but not without attracting some controversy. The director’s comments may jar with some critics – there’s no homosexuality portrayed on screen and the Spartan king, Leonidas, played by Gerard Butler, even disparages the Athenians by calling them “boy lovers” – and yet Snyder vehemently disagrees with those who allege otherwise. “It literally celebrates this masculine form in a way that is transformative for people,” Snyder continues. “I remember being asked, ‘Is your movie pro-gay or pro-NRA?’ I was like, ‘What? It’s both, I guess?’” Edit: gently caress. Ok I'm shutting up now
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Nov 29, 2020 00:17
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This might be straying a little from the thread's regular themes but how about everyone take an hour to learn about caterpillars? It's about biodiversity and parasites and poo poo, it's fascinating. Edit: if you don't want to see insects being eaten from the inside out maybe skip it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QPNMWZjJXak
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Nov 29, 2020 00:19
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Junpei Hyde posted:Sincerely tho can the thread talk about something else for a bit please Yeah, like Star Wars or Contrapoints!
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Nov 29, 2020 00:21
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